Bradie James - Getting Better?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I hope it works out that way in the long run anyway - I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Spencer will live up to his expectations. Short term though I wouldn't be surprised to see Spencer sharing time and not starting.

As to what you were saying though youre probably right that if Ellis cannot go its going to require Carp to move around a bit to get the job done.

Carp played well from the Falcons game on and really turned it on in the playoffs. I really just want to see the guy on the field. Its really nice to have hope for our draft picks as of late.

I heard some rumblings that he was weak on the run on camp but in the preseason game I saw him thumping some ball carriers.

Bobby Carpenter ...... Bradie James ........ Bobby Carpenter ...... Bradie James

Wade Phillips showed last year with Godfrey hell phase out underperforming starters with Godfrey.

I just DO NOT want to see James giving up passing plays all over his zone anymore.

 

[theogt]

Hell, if you listen to half the board here, Bradie James and Bill Parcells singlehandedly brought down the entire defense, while the rest of our silver and blue defensive "heroes" just merely victims.

Not really. Most people even recognize that Terence Newman played poorly down the stretch last season.

Forgive me if I'm not drinking that Kool Aid.

Wait a second. This is a thread bashing one of our players. And now it's about drinking the Kool Aid? Wow, now that's some spin.

Question ... if Bradie James is so inexplicably bad and only out there because he was a Parcells favorite, why is he still starting under Wade?

The question is, how long will he be the starter. If he keeps playing like this, teams will start to take advantage of him again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hell, if you listen to half the board here, Bradie James and Bill Parcells singlehandedly brought down the entire defense, while the rest of our silver and blue defensive "heroes" just merely victims.

Forgive me if I'm not drinking that Kool Aid.

Question ... if Bradie James is so inexplicably bad and only out there because he was a Parcells favorite, why is he still starting under Wade?

Its becasue he ended the season as the starter. Last year the only option was O'Neil and this year there are others most notably Mr. Carpenter who has been kept inside despite the continuing injury to Ellis.

How many times do we need to see James fail to get out to cover a back on a route out of the backfiled or trail 6 yards behind a TE on a seam route to realize that him getting blown up by guards isnt worth him starting?

 

[Stautner]

As to what you were saying though youre probably right that if Ellis cannot go its going to require Carp to move around a bit to get the job done.

Carp played well from the Falcons game on and really turned it on in the playoffs. I really just want to see the guy on the field. Its really nice to have hope for our draft picks as of late.

I heard some rumblings that he was weak on the run on camp but in the preseason game I saw him thumping some ball carriers.

Bobby Carpenter ...... Bradie James ........ Bobby Carpenter ...... Bradie James

Wade Phillips showed last year with Godfrey hell phase out underperforming starters with Godfrey.

I just DO NOT want to see James giving up passing plays all over his zone anymore.

I was on board with you thinking that Carp could take James spot this year. That was really my hope as well.

But considering the Ellis situation, and considering that Carpenter was most noticeable in the Indy game rushing the passer from the outside, I have to think that is not going to happen in the near future.

I could possibly see Carpenter playing OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then moving to the middle and replacing James on passing downs with Spencer coming in to fill the OLB spot as a pass rusher.

 

[theogt]

Caribbean? Nice.

Just funnin' wit you. I once proclaimed Walsh to be better than Aikman when i saw the lad toss the ball in preseason.

And people once said that we shouldn't evaluate Romo based on his preseason performance -- that he'd never be a starting NFL quarterback.

Turns out, if a guy looks good in preseason, he can probably do it in the regular season.

 

[Stautner]

And people once said that we shouldn't evaluate Romo based on his preseason performance -- that he'd never be a starting NFL quarterback.

Turns out, if a guy looks good in preseason, he can probably do it in the regular season.

Then why didn't we keep Jamaica Rector last year ........ ?

 

[theogt]

But considering the Ellis situation, and considering that Carpenter was most noticeable in the Indy game rushing the passer from the outside, I have to think that is not going to happen in the near future.

I could possibly see Carpenter playing OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then moving to the middle and replacing James on passing downs with Spencer coming in to fill the OLB spot as a pass rusher.

He played 3rd string nickel DE. Other than that he played ILB. He didn't play any OLB that I noticed.

 

[theogt]

Then why didn't we keep Jamaica Rector last year ........ ?

Because he was the 7th best receiver?

 

[Stautner]

He played 3rd string nickel DE. Other than that he played ILB. He didn't play any OLB that I noticed.

The OLB moves up into a pass rushing spot starting with his hand on the ground in certain situations. That's the same thing Ware does .... neither of those guys are backing up Spears or Canty.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was on board with you thinking that Carp could take James spot this year. That was really my hope as well.

But considering the Ellis situation, and considering that Carpenter was most noticeable in the Indy game rushing the passer from the outside, I have to think that is not going to happen in the near future.

I could possibly see Carpenter playing OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then moving to the middle and replacing James on passing downs with Spencer coming in to fill the OLB spot as a pass rusher.

its really dependent on how Spencer comes along. Ware didnt seem to get it really well until the last few games of his rookie year. Now we certainly have better depth at OLB now thus not forcing Spencer into the fire but if he progresses well and stays healthy he should probably start by seasons end.

OTOH with Glymph playing well at SOLB who knows what the coaches are going to do.

 

[theogt]

The OLB moves up into a pass rushing spot starting with his hand on the ground in certain situations. That's the same thing Ware does .... neither of those guys are backing up Spears or Canty.

Wait a second. Jason Hatcher, a 3-4 DE, also plays nickel DE at times. Does that make him an OLB too?

 

[Stautner]

Because he was the 7th best receiver?

Wow - are you lost.

You just got through saying that if a guy can do it in preseason he can do it in the regular season, and Rector outperformed every WR on the team in preseason last year.

You are talking in circles.

 

[theogt]

Wow - are you lost.

You just got through saying that if a guy can do it in preseason he can do it in the regular season, and Rector outperformed every WR on the team in preseason last year.

You are talking in circles.

When did I say that preseason games where the only evaluation of talent?

And I don't think he outperformed Sam Hurd in preseason.

 

[Stautner]

Wait a second. Jason Hatcher, a 3-4 DE, also plays nickel DE at times. Does that make him an OLB too?

Wow - you get more lost every second.

Hatcher actually does replace Spears and/or Canty ....... that's the difference.

He isn't an OLB moving up to rush on the line, he is ALWAYS a DE and will only be in the game when directly replacing Spears or Canty.

But see, I recognize the problem with you - we had an argument once before and I know.

You think every position is distinct with no overlap in duties. In fact, I remember you saying Carpenter couln't play OLB because he ONLY had the tools to play ILB, and that NOONE had the tools to play both becaue the positions were so distinct.

Yet now you are saying that Carpenter is playing DE.



I'll let you in on a secret (at least to you) ....... the OLB, whether Ware or Carp or Spencer, in some situations move up to the LOS in a role very much like a 4-3 DE in some situations. He isn't replacing Spears or Canty or HAtcher or Ratliff, he is merely an OLB who moves closer to the LOS .......that's what is happening.

 

[Stautner]

When did I say that preseason games where the only evaluation of talent?

And I don't think he outperformed Sam Hurd in preseason.

First, I never said you said it was the only evaluation.

Second, Hurd did play well in the preseason, although I personally felt Rectore played better. But then again, Austin didn't do anything last preseason.

 

[theogt]

Wow - you get more lost every second.

Hatcher actually does replace Spears and/or Canty ....... that's the difference.

He isn't an OLB moving up to rush on the line, he is ALWAYS a DE and will only be in the game when directly replacing Spears or Canty.

But see, I recognize the problem with you - we had an argument once before and I know.

You think every position is distinct with no overlap in duties. In fact, I remember you saying Carpenter couln't play OLB because he ONLY had the tools to play ILB, and that NOONE had the tools to play both becaue the positions were so distinct.

Yet now you are saying that Carpenter is playing DE.



I'll let you in on a secret (at least to you) ....... the OLB, whether Ware or Carp or Spencer, in some situations move up to the LOS in a role very much like a 4-3 DE in some situations. He isn't replacing Spears or Canty or HAtcher or Ratliff, he is merely an OLB who moves closer to the LOS .......that's what is happening.

Here is your argument:

1. Sometimes OLBs play Nickel DE.
2. Carpenter was playing Nickel DE.

Therefore: Carpenter is an OLB.

Seriously, that's your argument. I chuckled.

 

[theogt]

First, I never said you said it was the only evaluation.

Second, Hurd did play well in the preseason, although I personally felt Rectore played better. But then again, Austin didn't do anything last preseason.

No, Austin was more of a project, but they felt he had more upside than Rector. Therefore, Rector was the 7th best WR.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I dont think anyone is really disagreeing with the major premises. If a guy can play in preseason it bodes well for the regular season. Its not the only factor used tos cout a player or a players potential.

Lets get back to hammering James.

 

[Stautner]

Here is your argument:

1. Sometimes OLBs play Nickel DE.
2. Carpenter was playing Nickel DE.

Therefore: Carpenter is an OLB.

Seriously, that's your argument. I chuckled.

Nope - that's merely the interperetation of a moron.


Let me ask you this - when Roy Williams moves up and plays close to the LOS will he be a 5th linebacker or a safety being used up closer to the line of scrimmage?

Sure, he will have duties similar to a LB, but he will also back up and play back at times ..... he will have a dual role.

Same goes for the OLB. He has a dual role. Sometimes on the line as a pass rusher, sometimes back in coverage.

The actual 3rd string DE doesn't do that - he is on the line ALL the time.

Hell, by your viewpoint Ware actually almost never plays OLB - he is just a DE and we play A 4-3 defense 80% of the time.

 

[Stautner]

No, Austin was more of a project, but they felt he had more upside than Rector. Therefore, Rector was the 7th best WR.

Kind of blows your theory out of the water that the one that perfoms in preseason is the better bet then doesn't it?