Brady Quinn

[Dale]

NFL draft is not about what College Players have done in College. It is certainly relivant but that's not the major criteria on which players are evaluated.

The NFL draft is about how College players project into the pros and I'd bet real money that Quinn is going to project much better.

That's all I'm saying.

I'd agree, ABQ. Smith's a great college quarterback, but so was Weurffel. I'm not sure Smith's the type that will wow people between February and April. His college credentials are good, but there's been a lot of college winners that don't win in the pros. It was said about Vince Young, but I'm not sure how accurate the term "He's just a winner" really is. I think you can like a guy's attitude or composure in duress, but it doesn't really guaranatee much.

Like Hostile said last night, Quinn's stock will probably rise at the combine. My concern with him remains that he's just not good against better teams.

For comparison's sake, forr as "bad" as Peyton Manning was in big games in college, he lit up plenty of ranked teams if memory serves. I never remember him being as colossally bad as Brady Quinn is when the competition stiffens.

Peyton Manning's problem was Florida. It seems like every good team is Quinn's Florida. And I don't think Peyton played as many stad-padding teams as Quinn gets.

 

[jackrussell]

To name a few unless Troy Smith measures in taller than 6' (They have him listed at 6'1 but they never lie on those do they)

If they say a QB is 6-1 and he's actually 6-0, isn't it possible they say an OL is 6-5 but indeed is 6-4?

What I'm saying is, I don't think the lieng starts and ends at QB.

The combine should straighten it all out.

 

[kevwun]

I've read several articles that said Smith will measure under 6'0" at the combine.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can see that argument for some positions, but qb is not one of them. If a qb can't deliver in college, how is he going to magically start doing it in the nfl? It's not like Quinn had good games, but his team just came up short. I think there is a real qb scouting problem in the nfl. They put entirely too much stock in looking like a qb. If Quinn played somewhere other than Notre Dame, I don't think he would be considered a top 5 pick.

Well, I can't agree with you here because I don't think your evalution of Quinn is realistic. To imply that he can't deliver is wide of the mark IMO. Quinn, in fact, has delivered. He has beaten the teams he should and lost to the teams that were superior to ND. In most situations, your QB will be as good as the talent that surrounds him. That is what will be evaluated. I mean, the guy has a career passer rating of something like 131. He's thrown for 11762 yards. His numbers, career wise, are far superior to either Smith's or Russell's. In fact, if you look at only the last two seasons, which is what the NFL will evaluate the closest, Quinn produced better.

Quinn 05-06
Att 917, Comp 581, Comp% 63.4, Yds 7345, AYPA 8.0, TDs 69, INTs 14, QBRT 152.55

Smith 05-06
ATT 534, Comp 348, Comp% 65.2, Yds 4789, AYPA 8.9, TDs 46, INTs 9, QBRT 165.26

Russell 05-06
ATT 653, Comp 420, Comp% 64.2, Yds 5572, AYPA 8.5, TDs 43, INTs 17, QBRT 64.2.

In the last two years, Quinn has lost to Michigan St., USC (twice), Ohio State, Michigan and LSU. With the exception of Michigan St., I'd say that Quinn got beat by superior teams each time. The NFL is going to project him from the stand point of "What can he do if he has a team around him?" Clearly, IMO, the answer there is be extremely productive.

 

[odog422]

I'd be mildly surprised if Smith even goes in the first round.

Why would you be surprised?

 

[Cochese]

Well, I can't agree with you here because I don't think your evalution of Quinn is realistic. To imply that he can't deliver is wide of the mark IMO. Quinn, in fact, has delivered. He has beaten the teams he should and lost to the teams that were superior to ND. That is what will be evaluated. I mean, the guy has a career passer rating of something like 131. He's thrown for 11762 yards. His numbers, career wise, are far superior to either Smith's or Russell's. In fact, if you look at only the last two seasons, which is what the NFL will evaluate the closest, Quinn produced better.

Quinn 05-06
Att 917, Comp 581, Comp% 63.4, Yds 7345, AYPA 8.0, TDs 69, INTs 14, QBRT 152.55

Smith 05-06
ATT 534, Comp 348, Comp% 65.2, Yds 4789, AYPA 8.9, TDs 46, INTs 9, QBRT 165.26

Russell 05-06
ATT 653, Comp 420, Comp% 64.2, Yds 5572, AYPA 8.5, TDs 43, INTs 17, QBRT 64.2.

In the last two years, Quinn has lost to Michigan St., USC (twice), Ohio State, Michigan and LSU. With the exception of Michigan St., I'd say that Quinn got beat by superior teams each time. The NFL is going to project him from the stand point of "What can he do if he has a team around him?" Clearly, IMO, the answer there is be extremely productive.

Right, becuase when some stupid team picks him in the top 5, he is going to be the final piece of the puzzle.


Quinn couldnt even complete 50% of his passes against USC, Michigan or LSU this year. As much as ND was outclassed, you cant ignore the fact that he isnt as accurate as his stats against poorer schools say he is. Against good teams he looks like the 2004 Brady Quinn a decent player, but not great, and certainly not a first round pick, playing against the Stanfords and North Carolina's of the world he is the media darling and first overall pick.

 

[Cochese]

Why would you be surprised?

He is too short. Its stupid, but the height factor plays a part in the scouts evaluation. Its not like he is playing center.

 

[Concord]

Troy Smith is a better QB than Quinn.

Will he be drafted before Quinn? No.

And that will be a mistake.

GO BUCKS!

 

[Cochese]

Troy Smith is a better QB than Quinn.

Will he be drafted before Quinn? No.

And that will be a mistake.

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I agree. Smith has it. The intangiable factor where he brings his "A" game against the top opposition. Some team is going to luck out in the second or third round.

 

[odog422]

Well, I can't agree with you here because I don't think your evalution of Quinn is realistic. To imply that he can't deliver is wide of the mark IMO. Quinn, in fact, has delivered. He has beaten the teams he should and lost to the teams that were superior to ND. In most situations, your QB will be as good as the talent that surrounds him. That is what will be evaluated. I mean, the guy has a career passer rating of something like 131. He's thrown for 11762 yards. His numbers, career wise, are far superior to either Smith's or Russell's. In fact, if you look at only the last two seasons, which is what the NFL will evaluate the closest, Quinn produced better.

Quinn 05-06
Att 917, Comp 581, Comp% 63.4, Yds 7345, AYPA 8.0, TDs 69, INTs 14, QBRT 152.55

Smith 05-06
ATT 534, Comp 348, Comp% 65.2, Yds 4789, AYPA 8.9, TDs 46, INTs 9, QBRT 165.26

Russell 05-06
ATT 653, Comp 420, Comp% 64.2, Yds 5572, AYPA 8.5, TDs 43, INTs 17, QBRT 64.2.

In the last two years, Quinn has lost to Michigan St., USC (twice), Ohio State, Michigan and LSU. With the exception of Michigan St., I'd say that Quinn got beat by superior teams each time. The NFL is going to project him from the stand point of "What can he do if he has a team around him?" Clearly, IMO, the answer there is be extremely productive.

I could see your point in your previous post - NFL scouts will evaluate Quinn on his potential rather than what he has done against elite competition - although I think that's a big part of what's wrong with the NFL today. Too much emphasis on "potential" rather than what a guy has done on the field. As another poster pointed out, particularly at the QB position.

However, your post directly above this reply I think proves more than anything the first point - that Quinn will be evaluated on potential, not what he has done. You say yourself when he has faced better competition he has not done well and attribute it to his teammates not matching the talent level they faced. I submit that throwing ill-advised passes leading to INTs, sometimes under duress, sometimes not, and erratic passes is on the QB period. He has just played poorly, period, in that situation. YOu say his teammates didn't help, I say he didn't help himself.

As far as his numbers, since its a given his numbers were not good against superior competition, we can say that he compiled those numbers against inferior or marginal competition.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd agree, ABQ. Smith's a great college quarterback, but so was Weurffel. I'm not sure Smith's the type that will wow people between February and April. His college credentials are good, but there's been a lot of college winners that don't win in the pros. It was said about Vince Young, but I'm not sure how accurate the term "He's just a winner" really is. I think you can like a guy's attitude or composure in duress, but it doesn't really guaranatee much.

Like Hostile said last night, Quinn's stock will probably rise at the combine. My concern with him remains that he's just not good against better teams.

For comparison's sake, forr as "bad" as Peyton Manning was in big games in college, he lit up plenty of ranked teams if memory serves. I never remember him being as colossally bad as Brady Quinn is when the competition stiffens.

Peyton Manning's problem was Florida. It seems like every good team is Quinn's Florida. And I don't think Peyton played as many stad-padding teams as Quinn gets.

Well, I understand what your saying here in regards to big games but I think you also have to context that with the available talent on hand during that period of time. Payton Manning came out in 98. Between the time Manning entered school and lets say, two years after he departed (players that would have been under classmen when Payton was with the Vols), Tennessee sent 40 players to the NFL. Of those, 7 were first round picks, 10 were 2nd round picks and 5 were 3rd round picks. Over half were 1st day talents. Now, in the case of Quinn, obviously we can't know how many will go this year or the followin two years but in the last three, Notre Dame has only sent 10 players to the NFL. Of those 10, 5 were sent in Quinn's Freshman year. Of those 10 players, not a single first round pick has been produced. Only 3 second round players and 2 third round players. Obvioiusly, there will be some talent coming out this year but it's nothing like what Tennessee had on hand while Payton was there. I think it's a relative thing.

 

[TEK2000]

I'm not impressed at all by Brady Quinn. I admit I've only watched him a few games this season... but in every game he looked pretty BAD. Very innaccurate, forces throws, bad decisions.

He reminds me of Chris Simms when he played at Texas. Simms looked great until he played someone with equal talent on the other side of the ball... OU, Colorado, etc.

 

[odog422]

He is too short. Its stupid, but the height factor plays a part in the scouts evaluation. Its not like he is playing center.

Reading your other replies, we're on the same side of the fence. I think he will also succeed because as I said earlier, playing in the Big 10, and in the big-time games he has, he has somehow managed to be able to establish a sight line to see downfield to be very successful. Against guys who are legitimate-sized NFL players. Probably his ability to slide around in the pocket. And other intangibles like knowing the offense, etc.

 

[TEK2000]

Well, I understand what your saying here in regards to big games but I think you also have to context that with the available talent on hand during that period of time. Payton Manning came out in 98. Between the time Manning entered school and lets say, two years after he departed (players that would have been under classmen when Payton was with the Vols), Tennessee sent 40 players to the NFL. Of those, 7 were first round picks, 10 were 2nd round picks and 5 were 3rd round picks. Over half were 1st day talents. Now, in the case of Quinn, obviously we can't know how many will go this year or the followin two years but in the last three, Notre Dame has only sent 10 players to the NFL. Of those 10, 5 were sent in Quinn's Freshman year. Of those 10 players, not a single first round pick has been produced. Only 3 second round players and 2 third round players. Obvioiusly, there will be some talent coming out this year but it's nothing like what Tennessee had on hand while Payton was there. I think it's a relative thing.

And Quinn was throwing to the best reciever in Notre Dame history.

 

[Wrangler87]

Smith will measure in at 5' 11' at the combine or Senior Bowl and will drop.

If anyone takes over the first selection from Quinn, it will be Russell.

But.........trade places last night, and I'll bet you Quinn lights up Notre Dame's inept defensive backs. I'll bet Russell struggles with the LSU defense.

 

[Wrangler87]

I'm not impressed at all by Brady Quinn. I admit I've only watched him a few games this season... but in every game he looked pretty BAD. Very innaccurate, forces throws, bad decisions.

He reminds me of Chris Simms when he played at Texas. Simms looked great until he played someone with equal talent on the other side of the ball... OU, Colorado, etc.

He did throw 35 TD's to 5 interceptions, so, you really must not have watched him much.

 

[Cochese]

Smith will measure in at 5' 11' at the combine or Senior Bowl and will drop.

If anyone takes over the first selection from Quinn, it will be Russell.

But.........trade places last night, and I'll bet you Quinn lights up Notre Dame's inept defensive backs. I'll bet Russell struggles with the LSU defense.

Come on, we are talking about Big Game Bust Brady, no way would your make believe situation be true.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Right, becuase when some stupid team picks him in the top 5, he is going to be the final piece of the puzzle.


Quinn couldnt even complete 50% of his passes against USC, Michigan or LSU this year. As much as ND was outclassed, you cant ignore the fact that he isnt as accurate as his stats against poorer schools say he is. Against good teams he looks like the 2004 Brady Quinn a decent player, but not great, and certainly not a first round pick, playing against the Stanfords and North Carolina's of the world he is the media darling and first overall pick.

You need to check yourself here. Your taking this personal for reasons I don't understand. I'm telling you how the NFL looks at things, not what I think. Personally, I'd rather have Brohm but it's not about me.

I mean, it's not as if he hasn't played well against good teams. I don't know how much Irish football you watch but Quinn has not had the best protection all year long. In the games that ND has lost, they were beaten. Quinn didn't cost them those games, they were beaten by superior talent.

 

[Cochese]

He did throw 35 TD's to 5 interceptions, so, you really must not have watched him much.

You must have only watch him destroy the cupcakes.

 

[Cochese]

You need to check yourself here. Your taking this personal for reasons I don't understand. I'm telling you how the NFL looks at things, not what I think. Personally, I'd rather have Brohm but it's not about me.

I mean, it's not as if he hasn't played well against good teams. I don't know how much Irish football you watch but Quinn has not had the best protection all year long. In the games that ND has lost, they were beaten. Quinn didn't cost them those games, they were beaten by superior talent.

He diddnt cost ND games? We arent talking about a bus driver QB. We are talking about someone who had Heisman hype, who has #1 overall in the draft hype. He has to do more than not costing them the game. He has to do more than completing 50% of his passes. He has to throw the ball on target and on time so his WR's have a chance.