Brady Quinn

[Wrangler87]

You must have only watch him destroy the cupcakes.

Find me a College team that doesn't schedule it's share of cupcakes.

But, that being said, Penn State, Georgia Tech, and UCLA are not considered cupcakes.

 

[Concord]

I agree. Smith has it. The intangiable factor where he brings his "A" game against the top opposition. Some team is going to luck out in the second or third round.

Yeah whoever gets Smith is going to get a real nice QB that could turn into someone special.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Without question, the same cannot be said of Quinn. This year, in ND's three biggest games and against their most difficult opponents (USC, Michigan and LSU) he has failed to impress.

That's been his rap for the last few seasons. Just like Notre Dame, he's grossly overrated and is getting by on reputation.

 

[TEK2000]

He did throw 35 TD's to 5 interceptions, so, you really must not have watched him much.

And.. EXACTLY like I said... his worst performances were against the top ranked teams. Nearly ALL of his INT's came in 2 games against LSU and Michigan. Just like I said about Simms... faulters against opponents of equal talent.

Its not hard to rack up great stats when you're throwing for 3 and 4 TD's a game against Army, Navy and Air Force and throwing for 3 INT's against Michigan.

You're obviously a Quinn fan and you can have whatever opinion you want... but I'll also hold the opinion that I have.

 

[Wrangler87]

That's been his rap for the last few seasons. Just like Notre Dame, he's grossly overrated and is getting by on reputation.

Notre Dame didn't ask the media to build them up so high, and they probably aren't real happy about how the media has gone out of their way to tear these kids down.

Notre Dame does not have the talent, yet, to compete with the top teams. Wait until Weiss' recruits take the field, then judge him on that.

 

[Wrangler87]

And.. EXACTLY like I said... his worst performances were against the top ranked teams. Nearly ALL of his INT's came in 2 games against LSU and Michigan. Just like I said about Simms... faulters against opponents of equal talent.

Its not hard to rack up great stats when you're throwing for 3 and 4 TD's a game against Army, Navy and Air Force and throwing for 3 INT's against Michigan.

You're obviously a Quinn fan and you can have whatever opinion you want... but I'll also hold the opinion that I have.

Yoiu mentioned Army Navy and Airforce, but forgot UCLA, Georgia Tech, Penn State and even Michigan State and Purdue are not slouches. But, those teams don't support your arguement as well do they.

 

[Cochese]

Notre Dame didn't ask the media to build them up so high, and they probably aren't real happy about how the media has gone out of their way to tear these kids down.

Notre Dame does not have the talent, yet, to compete with the top teams. Wait until Weiss' recruits take the field, then judge him on that.

Tear them down?!?! Where is this? Where are these kids being torn down?

Even at the end of the USC BLOWOUT the onlything the ABC announcers could talk about was 'how courageous Brady Quinn is",

ND has their own TV contract, of course they are asking to be built up high.

 

[TEK2000]

Yoiu mentioned Army Navy and Airforce, but forgot UCLA, Georgia Tech, Penn State and even Michigan State and Purdue are not slouches. But, those teams don't support your arguement as well do they.

I watched the Michigan State game.. and he looked pretty bad up until the 4th quarter. Innaccurate and poor decisions.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Notre Dame didn't ask the media to build them up so high, and they probably aren't real happy about how the media has gone out of their way to tear these kids down.

Notre Dame does not have the talent, yet, to compete with the top teams. Wait until Weiss' recruits take the field, then judge him on that.

Notre Dame does it with their Independent BS. Their personal TV Deal. Basically they think they are above the rest of college football, but this hasn't been the case for the last 10+ years.

ND is a TV Draw, I don't like them, so I will watch them just hoping they lose. This I will give them.

They consistantly lose or scrape by in their big games and pad their record with games against schools like Air Force.


I'm not judging Weis and the job he has done, I'm just saying, Notre Dame is not a BCS team, and they haven't been. But as long as they keep going 10-2 (even though they got whooped on by 2 real BCS teams...Michigan and USC), they'll get their shot, while teams that were clearly better, like Wisconsin suffer. Granted ND will bring in more ratings, and that's really all that counts.

And to whoever said, switch them, and see what happens. I think that Russel showed he had the ability to throw a better deep ball. Russel has the bigger arm. He's got the escabability. Russel showed you he's a better QB last night. Keep apologizing for Brady and ND, that seems to be the post season reaction of Notre Dame fans year in and year out, when the overrated Golden Domers get exposed time and time again.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I could see your point in your previous post - NFL scouts will evaluate Quinn on his potential rather than what he has done against elite competition - although I think that's a big part of what's wrong with the NFL today. Too much emphasis on "potential" rather than what a guy has done on the field. As another poster pointed out, particularly at the QB position.

However, your post directly above this reply I think proves more than anything the first point - that Quinn will be evaluated on potential, not what he has done. You say yourself when he has faced better competition he has not done well and attribute it to his teammates not matching the talent level they faced. I submit that throwing ill-advised passes leading to INTs, sometimes under duress, sometimes not, and erratic passes is on the QB period. He has just played poorly, period, in that situation. YOu say his teammates didn't help, I say he didn't help himself.

As far as his numbers, since its a given his numbers were not good against superior competition, we can say that he compiled those numbers against inferior or marginal competition.

He's thrown exactly 7 INTs against 14 TDs in his six losses the past two years. He's been sacked 13 times in those games. I mean, it's not as if he's played with a great OL. I would not say that his problem is throwing ill advised passes. To me, it's clearly a matter of talent.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And Quinn was throwing to the best reciever in Notre Dame history.

Really, who might that be?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He diddnt cost ND games? We arent talking about a bus driver QB. We are talking about someone who had Heisman hype, who has #1 overall in the draft hype. He has to do more than not costing them the game. He has to do more than completing 50% of his passes. He has to throw the ball on target and on time so his WR's have a chance.

Your wrong. I'm talking about Quinn vs Smith. I'm talking about how I believe the Pro's will evaluate them. If he's the number 1 player taken, so be it. That's not my decision. As far as all the rest, well, come draft time, we will see if the NFL shares your views or not.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I like Troy Smith, as a college QB. I know that intangibles are not the end all, but a guy who is 5'11" is going to struggle at the next level. Doug Flutie showed you that it can be done though. Smith has a great arm. I'm not saying he doesn't have the chance to suceed, but his lack of height will make it very hard to see over a blitz. I think you might see alot of his passes batted down at the line.

In terms of intangibles, you have to think tht Brady Quinn would go ahead of Smith. Smith is a winner though, much like Vince Young (very different QB's none the less). If you had to ask me who I would rather have for a come back drive, I would take Smith, based on his ability to come up big in big games, whereas Brady Quinn having a tendency to dissapears.

 

[odog422]

He's thrown exactly 7 INTs against 14 TDs in his six losses the past two years. He's been sacked 13 times in those games. I mean, it's not as if he's played with a great OL. I would not say that his problem is throwing ill advised passes. To me, it's clearly a matter of talent.

We disagree. I never have been one to lean heavily on stats, good or bad. Overriding any and all discussions I have concerning my opinion of a player I go by what I see.

And I see ill-advised passes. Certainly what you present here suggests he is under duress. But what QB can't complete passes with a clean pocket?

Last night, for example, he dropped back, clean pocket, and lofts one up hoping Smez-his-name can make a play. Somewhat excusable, but not really, when you're losing. It's picked but an incorrect replay call gives it back to ND. The VERY NEXT play he rolls right, under pressure and lofts one off his back foot in the general area of a receiver which is promptly picked. Ill advised pass.

And that has nothing to do with talent level. It's simply a bad decision, one he tends to make more often the higher quality the opponent. That I've seen, anyway.

 

[Doomsday]

Quinn rarely seems to play well against good teams. I'm sure that there are NFL people who won't pay attention to this at all and he'll still go high. I do think that his stock will fall with a lot of teams though.

Probably because Notre Dame was way over ranked and really doesnt have 1/2 the talent of the other top teams.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Last night, for example, he dropped back, clean pocket, and lofts one up hoping Smez-his-name can make a play. Somewhat excusable, but not really, when you're losing. It's picked but an incorrect replay call gives it back to ND. The VERY NEXT play he rolls right, under pressure and lofts one off his back foot in the general area of a receiver which is promptly picked. Ill advised pass.

And that has nothing to do with talent level. It's simply a bad decision, one he tends to make more often the higher quality the opponent. That I've seen, anyway.

I do not dispute this. Last night was not one of his better games. The first half, was a better indication of what he is capable of but thats just my opnion. Players are not judged on single halfs of football games so Brady should not be either. He did not have a great game last night but it would be wrong to look at it as if it was all Brady's fault. Walker rushed for exactly 3 yards in the second half? The Irish defense gave up a TD just before half and in the second half, gave up a FG on the 1st drive, a FG on the 2nd drive, a TD on the third drive, was lucky to get a drive ending INT on the 4th drive, gave up a TD on the 5th drive and LSU punted on there last possesion as the game was over by that time. NDs defense never stopped LSU. Brady made some bad passes but in that situation, as you said, what QB won't? He has to make something happen if he can.

I guess I just think Brady is going to be evaluated much more favorably by the NFL then by the fans who see just the few televised games in most cases.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I guess I just think Brady is going to be evaluated much more favorably by the NFL then by the fans who see just the few televised games in most cases.

I think there are alot of personal agenda's in this thread about Brady QUinn. I personally do not like Notre Dame and cannot stand Brady Quinn. That being said, me saying Brady has been poor in big games, and has played pretty badly against bad teams, might have something to do with that being the truth rather than just my personal oppinion.

I think there is a reason NFL Scouts, you know, the guys who do this sort of things for a living, not as a hobby on the internet, are saying he could be the top pick. I mean he has the intangibles. Ideal height, good arm. He's an intelligent guy. His numbers speak for themselves.

I don't disagree with those of you who are defending Notre Dame and Quinn, saying they have a lack of talent compared to top teams. Off topic, I can't stand the free pass and overhype they get. But I agree, they aren't as good as LSU. But the things I saw from Brady last night had nothing to do with the talent level of his players, it was what he did.

Brady, for all the credit he gets for being so good at making reads looked a bit lost against a very aggressive LSU defense. For example, if you want to look at a moment where his team's talent didn't matter, take that 3rd down early in the 1st quarter. He has a guy running a crossing route, but waits too long to get teh ball out, teh defender makes a play on it. It was a bad decision by Quinn and forced a punt.

Brady throws a bad deep ball that is picked (but upon review is called incomplete). Later, he is flushed out of the pocket, and heaves up an ill advised throw which is easily ointercepted by LSU.

Say what you want about the guy, he made some bad decisions, and some bad throws. They weren't on the talent level of his team, they were on Brady Quinn. Also, let's not forget to mention his habit of looking at Smerdja(sp?) too much, and forcing the ball his way. That's either a lack of trust in his other WRs, or it's a fault that will get you killed at the next level.

Again, I'm basing this on exactly what ABQ said, a few TV games I have seen. Me saying, "I don't like what I see in this kid" really means nothing. I don't get paid to evaluate NFL talent. I don't spend hours watching the kid play. But beng as though drafting NFL Qb's is a crapshoot, I feel relatively safe (50-50 chances Id say) of being right when I say, I dont think Brady is going to be as good at the next level as everyone thinks.

 

[Cochese]

I think there are alot of personal agenda's in this thread about Brady QUinn. I personally do not like Notre Dame and cannot stand Brady Quinn. That being said, me saying Brady has been poor in big games, and has played pretty badly against bad teams, might have something to do with that being the truth rather than just my personal oppinion.

I think there is a reason NFL Scouts, you know, the guys who do this sort of things for a living, not as a hobby on the internet, are saying he could be the top pick. I mean he has the intangibles. Ideal height, good arm. He's an intelligent guy. His numbers speak for themselves.

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Those things are called measurables. Intangibles are things that cannot be measured by statistics or numbers. He certainly has the measurables that scouts cream over, but an intangible like showing up when the chips are stacked against you isnt something that shows in your height, arm strength, wonderlic score or statistics.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Those things are called measurables. Intangibles are things that cannot be measured by statistics or numbers. He certainly has the measurables that scouts cream over, but an intangible like showing up when the chips are stacked against you isnt something that shows in your height, arm strength, wonderlic score or statistics.

My bad.

allow me to correct myself. He has the measurables to be a great NFL QB. But when you look at his INTANGIBLES, he lacks them.

 

[Rampage]

brady quinn is garbage.