Brandon Moore news?

[DFWJC]

This will simply have to wait until after the draft. Dallas will take BPA in a position of need. I have a feeling that this is the year that fans get what they want. Dallas will try to get both Cooper and Terron Armstead. Now if someone like short falls to the 2nd and they are able to get him, then they will bring in a veteran tackle.

I could honestly see the draft unfolding like this with a few drops.

1 Jonathan Cooper or Warmack..or ????
2 Kawan Short, Syvester Williams,or best available DT
3 Terron Armstead, Brenan Williams,or best available OT
4 best available FS

So if you invest heavily in the Oline and Leary emerges, bringing in vets like Moore and Winston would be a terrible move. If better players fall and Dallas goes in a different direction, they can always pick up these guys after the draft.

They will not draft like that.
WAY too limiting....referring to the "best available" ant specific positions part if top rated players at specific postions are gone.
You cannot do that.

 

[burmafrd]

It definitely is.

And he looked great in that Baltimore game.

That said, the most important ability is availability.

And he hasn't shown that so while in find with keeping him around, I'm not interested in putting all my eggs in that basket either.

Find another option and let both compete but have options.

he did not look great- good god some people here. He looked good IN ONE FULL GAME!

And he was putrid in 2011. He improved to just awful and somehow that is enough for some here.

Strength WAS NEVER a problem for him

Lack of footspeed and balance was and always will be. His short arms do not help but that is not his main problem. He cannot get set fast enough and therefore gets bull rushed when he is not facing his man straight up.

 

[TheSport78]

he did not look great- good god some people here. He looked good IN ONE FULL GAME!

And he was putrid in 2011. He improved to just awful and somehow that is enough for some here.

Strength WAS NEVER a problem for him

Lack of footspeed and balance was and always will be. His short arms do not help but that is not his main problem. He cannot get set fast enough and therefore gets bull rushed when he is not facing his man straight up.

Impossible. People on this forum have told me that Costa single-handedly took Haloti Ngata out of the game scheme wise and THEN injured him.

Costa is dominating and the Cowboys like him, so there should be absolutely NO questions or concerns about him. Got it?


/sarcasm

 

[xwalker]

he did not look great- good god some people here. He looked good IN ONE FULL GAME!

And he was putrid in 2011. He improved to just awful and somehow that is enough for some here.

Strength WAS NEVER a problem for him

Lack of footspeed and balance was and always will be. His short arms do not help but that is not his main problem. He cannot get set fast enough and therefore gets bull rushed when he is not facing his man straight up.

I don't think foot speed is the problem.

Phil Costa
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.12
20 Yrd Dash: 3.09
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 09'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.65
3-Cone Drill: 7.66

Maurkice Pouncey
Height: 6044
Weight: 304
40 Yrd Dash: 5.25
20 Yrd Dash: 2.94
10 Yrd Dash: 1.78
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 27
Broad Jump: 07'11"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.92
3-Cone Drill: 7.74

 

[Idgit]

In any event, it sounds like even posters who want to consider him as having been 'putrid' to start agree that he's gotten better over time, and that he was good in a very small sample last year. (Not just one full game, he looked good the following week in CAR, too, for a quarter and a half, and early agains NYFG for a series in the opener).

And now he's been extended. You guys don't have to like it, but the people making the decisions seem to think he's a capable starter at this point. If he's getting any competition this year, I think it comes from someone already on the roster. And if we add players, it'll be someone who can play some T in VFA and/or a talented OG early in the first two rounds. We may pickup a C in the third or fourth, but probably only if it's a pick that represents great value where we're selecting.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think foot speed is the problem.

Phil Costa
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.12
20 Yrd Dash: 3.09
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 09'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.65
3-Cone Drill: 7.66

Maurkice Pouncey
Height: 6044
Weight: 304
40 Yrd Dash: 5.25
20 Yrd Dash: 2.94
10 Yrd Dash: 1.78
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 27
Broad Jump: 07'11"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.92
3-Cone Drill: 7.74

It's not foot speed. But he's right that Costa was having a hard time getting set properly through much of 2011. They corrected it late in the year, though, and it's one of the reasons his play improved later that year.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's not foot speed. But he's right that Costa was having a hard time getting set properly through much of 2011. They corrected it late in the year, though, and it's one of the reasons his play improved later that year.

That's exactly right.

And he had a knee problem to start the 2011 season, which didn't help.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Impossible. People on this forum have told me that Costa single-handedly took Haloti Ngata out of the game scheme wise and THEN injured him.

Correct.

Ngata said afterward he would retire rather than face Phil "The Crippler" Costa again.

 

[Mansta54]

It definitely is.

And he looked great in that Baltimore game.

That said, the most important ability is availability.

And he hasn't shown that so while in find with keeping him around, I'm not interested in putting all my eggs in that basket either.

Find another option and let both compete but have options.

I agree!

 

[Mansta54]

He is one of the strongesr players on the team right now. Strength is not his problem. He has other physical limitations that prevents him from being a quality starter.

He hasn't played enough to know if he's a quality starter, I wanna see him stay healthy and see what he does then as he's more mature and aware of things now. That makes a huge difference.

 

[jnday]

I don't think foot speed is the problem.

Phil Costa
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.12
20 Yrd Dash: 3.09
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 09'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.65
3-Cone Drill: 7.66

Maurkice Pouncey
Height: 6044
Weight: 304
40 Yrd Dash: 5.25
20 Yrd Dash: 2.94
10 Yrd Dash: 1.78
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 27
Broad Jump: 07'11"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.92
3-Cone Drill: 7.74

Lateral movement is his problem. Yes , it is caused by slow/poor footwork. These combine stats don't ever tell the entire story. Broaddus, Couchscout and others have mentioned the trouble that Costa has with DL if they are not right in front of him.

 

[jnday]

He hasn't played enough to know if he's a quality starter, I wanna see him stay healthy and see what he does then as he's more mature and aware of things now. That makes a huge difference.

He started for an entire season. That is plenty of games to see his strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Woods]

I don't think foot speed is the problem.

Phil Costa
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.12
20 Yrd Dash: 3.09
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 09'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.65
3-Cone Drill: 7.66

Maurkice Pouncey
Height: 6044
Weight: 304
40 Yrd Dash: 5.25
20 Yrd Dash: 2.94
10 Yrd Dash: 1.78
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 27
Broad Jump: 07'11"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.92
3-Cone Drill: 7.74

Costa had a 35" vertical?

 

[Eskimo]

He started for an entire season. That is plenty of games to see his strengths and weaknesses.

But that is to assume that a player will not improve over time. Also there was a fairly decent trend of improvement noted during his first season.

I happen to think Costa can be a decent starter. However, I'd prefer us to play him at OG where I think he can be a better player without being slowed down by having to snap the ball. I think due to his short arms he can't afford that half-second with his arm down at the snap. Costa has the size and strength to play OG so that is not the issue. I also think playing guard will take some strain off of his back which I still worry about. Furthermore, by playing him at Guard it forces you to have other answers available at Center while still having him in your backpocket as a sub.

If we somehow could get Cooper and put him at Center and land Moore to play at Guard:

Smith Moore Cooper Costa/Bern Parnell

 

[gimmesix]

But that is to assume that a player will not improve over time. Also there was a fairly decent trend of improvement noted during his first season.

I happen to think Costa can be a decent starter. However, I'd prefer us to play him at OG where I think he can be a better player without being slowed down by having to snap the ball. I think due to his short arms he can't afford that half-second with his arm down at the snap. Costa has the size and strength to play OG so that is not the issue. I also think playing guard will take some strain off of his back which I still worry about. Furthermore, by playing him at Guard it forces you to have other answers available at Center while still having him in your backpocket as a sub.

If we somehow could get Cooper and put him at Center and land Moore to play at Guard:

Smith Moore Cooper Costa/Bern Parnell

I think all of us would take the Cowboys' chances of doing something this season a lot more seriously if they did something along these lines, or some other combination of vet and draft pick on this line.

I'd take them really seriously if they used the $5 million they've got to pick up Moore and Clabo and then drafted Cooper or Fluker (if Cooper's gone).

Smith Moore Cooper Clabo Parnell would be near-perfect (with flexibility to play Clabo at RT, Cooper at guard if necessary for a combo of Smith Moore Bernadeau Cooper Clabo) and Dallas could release Free and Livings.

Some might not like adding two older vets, but I think it would be a good blend with out younger guys. Smith, Cooper, Leary, Costa, Kowalski and Parnell and even Bernadeau are relatively young.

 

[Mansta54]

He started for an entire season. That is plenty of games to see his strengths and weaknesses.

So you think a full season is enough to determine if a young player can play or not. So he gets no time to mature, develope, and get better? Wow!!!

 

[jnday]

So you think a full season is enough to determine if a young player can play or not. So he gets no time to mature, develope, and get better? Wow!!!

I stated that one season of starting is plenty time to see a players strengths and weaknesses. Take from that what you will and remember that the one season of starting is not the only season that he was in Dallas.

 

[Mansta54]

I stated that one season of starting is plenty time to see a players strengths and weaknesses. Take from that what you will and remember that the one season of starting is not the only season that he was in Dallas.

Costa hasn't played enough to determine if he can get the job done or not. He played a full season but his other seasons he was hurt and not able to play, you don't bounce a young player for that. You have to give a young player time to mature and grow, obviously the staff likes what they see in him in practice and want to give him another shot. I know they love his work ethic also, you don't give up on that so quickly.

 

[burmafrd]

Costa hasn't played enough to determine if he can get the job done or not. He played a full season but his other seasons he was hurt and not able to play, you don't bounce a young player for that. You have to give a young player time to mature and grow, obviously the staff likes what they see in him in practice and want to give him another shot. I know they love his work ethic also, you don't give up on that so quickly.

and the excuses never end

reminds me of all the Roy (WR) Williams apologists we had here for so long

 

[jnday]

and the excuses never end

reminds me of all the Roy (WR) Williams apologists we had here for so long

Burm, do you think a full season starting and a couple more training camps etc., are enough to evaluate a player? How many years does it take to know what you got in a player? Anyway you look at it , center will always be a position that needs upgrading with Costa as a starter. Your unbiased opinion would be appreciated.