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[CrownCowboy]

I like Phil Costa and his work ethic and attitude. I think that if more players had his work ethic on this team then we'd be a better football team. With that being said, I've watched every snap he has taken with the Dallas Cowboys and the man is not someone that will ever start on an offensive line that will be good enough to carry a team to a Super Bowl.

He can be a decent back up player in this league but our offensive line has been awful up the middle and that includes the time he was healthy and started at center. He has had flashes. The Baltimore game last year was his best game where we pretty much had a gameplan that was best suited for his strengths ie run blocking but that's about as far as it goes with him.

From what I've watched, he has a hard time getting his hands on defenders and overextends, often times leading to whiffs. He has some physical limitations that have proven to make him a liability in pass protection, sometimes it has been horrible pass protection.

Overall and considering that he has only started one full season, I do think that he should stay on the team, provided that he has a good camp and continues to work hard. He has earned that. Perhaps he can develop better skills to pass protect, but physical limitations is what it is. It's time to stop messing around with this offensive line with sub par talent and projects and get some blue chip talent in here any way we can. If we keep trottin' out the Phil Costa's of the world along the offensive line, well I guess we'll get pretty much the same results.

 

[Mansta54]

and the excuses never end

reminds me of all the Roy (WR) Williams apologists we had here for so long

What excuse? You're sooooo clueless. HE HASN'T PLAYED ENOUGH TO DETERMINE IF HE CAN HANDLE THE JOB. That's fact, not a excuse. The coaches see him every day and like what he's doing and how he's progessing. Again, what excuse? Smh!!!!

 

[burmafrd]

I like Phil Costa and his work ethic and attitude. I think that if more players had his work ethic on this team then we'd be a better football team. With that being said, I've watched every snap he has taken with the Dallas Cowboys and the man is not someone that will ever start on an offensive line that will be good enough to carry a team to a Super Bowl.

He can be a decent back up player in this league but our offensive line has been awful up the middle and that includes the time he was healthy and started at center. He has had flashes. The Baltimore game last year was his best game where we pretty much had a gameplan that was best suited for his strengths ie run blocking but that's about as far as it goes with him.

From what I've watched, he has a hard time getting his hands on defenders and overextends, often times leading to whiffs. He has some physical limitations that have proven to make him a liability in pass protection, sometimes it has been horrible pass protection.

Overall and considering that he has only started one full season, I do think that he should stay on the team, provided that he has a good camp and continues to work hard. He has earned that. Perhaps he can develop better skills to pass protect, but physical limitations is what it is. It's time to stop messing around with this offensive line with sub par talent and projects and get some blue chip talent in here any way we can. If we keep trottin' out the Phil Costa's of the world along the offensive line, well I guess we'll get pretty much the same results.

no one has questioned his work ethic. By all accounts no one out works him. But physical limitations cannot be always overcome by pure sweat. And that is his problem. It is a shame since it is clear more physically talented players drift in and out without any where near the effort he has made. But it is what it is.

 

[burmafrd]

What excuse? You're sooooo clueless. HE HASN'T PLAYED ENOUGH TO DETERMINE IF HE CAN HANDLE THE JOB. That's fact, not a excuse. The coaches see him every day and like what he's doing and how he's progessing. Again, what excuse? Smh!!!!

none so blind that will not see. He has played enough so that his physical limitations WHICH CANNOT BE CHANGED are clear. He cannot move quick enough; he cannot get set quick enough to get the job done. Only when he can face the man right in front of him can he get it done. And that is not enough. You can whine all you want but that is reality.

 

[Mansta54]

none so blind that will not see. He has played enough so that his physical limitations WHICH CANNOT BE CHANGED are clear. He cannot move quick enough; he cannot get set quick enough to get the job done. Only when he can face the man right in front of him can he get it done. And that is not enough. You can whine all you want but that is reality.

I'm not whinning at all. Thinking he hasn't played enough is whinning? Obviously the staff feels the same way. Maybe you know more then the staff. Smh!!!

 

[CrownCowboy]

no one has questioned his work ethic. By all accounts no one out works him. But physical limitations cannot be always overcome by pure sweat. And that is his problem. It is a shame since it is clear more physically talented players drift in and out without any where near the effort he has made. But it is what it is.

Yep. His physical limitations are well documented and have translated onto the field more times than not.

A quality backup in a pinch is about all he is good for in my opinion. I think we agree that despite that fact that he has only started for one year, it may as well be 10 years. No amount of experience will make his physical limitations go away. He'll always have them thus his ceiling will never go any higher.

I know I don't need to see anything else from him to know what his potential is. Now I'm not a professional football coach, but I'm sure most know what I'm talking about.

 

[jnday]

Yep. His physical limitations are well documented and have translated onto the field more times than not.

A quality backup in a pinch is about all he is good for in my opinion. I think we agree that despite that fact that he has only started for one year, it may as well be 10 years. No amount of experience will make his physical limitations go away. He'll always have them thus his ceiling will never go any higher.

I know I don't need to see anything else from him to know what his potential is. Now I'm not a professional football coach, but I'm sure most know what I'm talking about.

Wait, it has been brought to my attention that these physical limitations take a long time to recognize. Maybe up to three years to see. I guess that wasn't true. I thought his arms would keep growing and his balance would improve over a period of time.







Sarcasm

 

[burmafrd]

I'm not whinning at all. Thinking he hasn't played enough is whinning? Obviously the staff feels the same way. Maybe you know more then the staff. Smh!!!

You mean the same staff that thought Costa was ready to start in 2011?

 

[Idgit]

You guys are mistaking physical limitations for skill. He's got short arms, and it forces him to play technically solid football to avoid getting beat, but he's capable of doing that. It's already been pointed out that he addressed the problem he had getting into his set quickly at the end of 2011, and that it was responsible for his improvement late that year and in his limited action last season.

And, personally, I think Costa's a better fit at OC than he would be at one of the OG positions. I like him making the line calls, and I prefer him assisting in pass protection or freed up to get to the LBs on running downs. I like him in blitz pickup, too, better than the other options we've got on the teams. I don't think putting up full-time on a DT bodes well for him given his limited reach, and it eliminates his strengths in diagnosing the defense quickly.

 

[burmafrd]

You guys are mistaking physical limitations for skill. He's got short arms, and it forces him to play technically solid football to avoid getting beat, but he's capable of doing that. It's already been pointed out that he addressed the problem he had getting into his set quickly at the end of 2011, and that it was responsible for his improvement late that year and in his limited action last season.

And, personally, I think Costa's a better fit at OC than he would be at one of the OG positions. I like him making the line calls, and I prefer him assisting in pass protection or freed up to get to the LBs on running downs. I like him in blitz pickup, too, better than the other options we've got on the teams. I don't think putting up full-time on a DT bodes well for him given his limited reach, and it eliminates his strengths in diagnosing the defense quickly.

no you are mistaking the inability to move quick enough and get set for something else.

As Sdogo, couchscout and others have pointed out

 

[Idgit]

no you are mistaking the inability to move quick enough and get set for something else.

As Sdogo, couchscout and others have pointed out

You've misremembered couchscout's posts.

Costa - Dude has short arms, it was his knock coming out of college. It's odd that something like that can have such a dramatic effect, but it does. When run blocking, Costa is usually good to excellent, with an occasional fail. Pass blocking however, especially one on one pass blocking, he gets way over extended. He gets his head/shoulders out over and past his feet, tipping his balance way forward. Guys are taking advantage of this big time. It doesn't lead to quick pressure, but it does lead to unabated pressure once Costa loses balance. You're not supposed to end up on the ground when pass blocking, and Costa does way too often. He needs to learn to let guys get into him a little more so he doesn't over extend. It doesn't help that he is a waist bender, unfortunately it's extremely rare that someone who is a natural waist bender can be taught to bend at the knees. This isn't something that kills us, but when teams are covering our WRs well, it can make life quite a bit harder on Romo.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=225457&highlight=costa+set

Pretty clearly he's saying back in 2011 that the issue is technique.

And from his week 1 Giants game post last season:

Costa only got 3 plays, I charted him with two goods and a stalemate. He's a better run blocker than Cook, but Cook is better in pass protection. Costa is strong as hell, and his being shorter than Cook will make him much much better at digging those DTs out of their spots. I honestly have no idea which one of the two will start once Costa is healthy, but they both have positive things they can bring to the game. From his limited snaps, I see massive improvement from Costa, he could be a bull in the running game this year, but it would be hard to use that as justification if he keeps getting pushed back into Romo as much as he did last year. Cook battles to a stalemate almost every run (he had a couple goods) but his pass protection was nearly flawless. This is gonna be an interesting story over the next few weeks.

Clearly, he sees issues with Costa's pass protection, but it's also pretty clear, as I said that the issues are technique related and not, as you're mistakenly saying, the player's physical limitations.

That's just according to couchscout, of course, since you cited him yourself. I agree with him, though, that PC's much better in the running game and weaker in pass protection. This is most of what the team's saying when they say bigger and better OG play can cover up some of the issues he's got.

 

[Mansta54]

You mean the same staff that thought Costa was ready to start in 2011?

Yes, that exact staff.