Breakdown of Garrett's record

[WillieBeamen]

Not sure how his record versus random teams means anything.
I can see the NFCE record but the numbers that most matter are playoff records, divisional and then if you wanted to really argue his record with Romo or Dak at QB.

He was 39-27 with Romo at QB and 22-10 thus far with Dak.
That's a ~64% winning percentage and up near Belichick.

But he's also 1-2 in the playoffs.

Whats Pederson’s record with Foles at QB?

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

So wait.

Are you saying Garrett got the most possible out of some of his teams? And that no coach could have done a better job?

Absolutely not. What I am saying is that the primary cause of our lack of success in recent years is bad personnel decisions by the front office, and not primarily by bad coaching.

 

[Diehardblues]

Bill was a horrid coach by the time he got here. I hated Bill almost as much as I hate Garrett.

I’m not clear on how the “ hate” word is used this generation?

Bill resurrected us from our lowest point in Jerry era. Why would we hate that?

 

[CowboyRoy]

This thread is hilarious. What his record is versus: 1) Teams with a winning record. 2) rookie coaches 3) win or go home games. I think you will find that paints a truer and much uglier picture.

What is Garrett famous for:

1. Poor clock managemet
2. Poor game management
3. Play calling
4. Scheming
5. Predictability
6. Lack of innovation
7. bad game planning

All these things are the essence of coaching. How can you possibly be a good coach when these things are your weaknesses?

 

[Sydla]

And clearly you'll use any excuse to absolve the Front Office of any and all blame for anything that affects the record and performance of this team.

Maybe you're Jerry Jones in disguise?

See how pointless that type of logic is? In my posts, I've said over and over again, that I am not a big Garrett fan, and that he has indeed made many mistakes. He was however, presented with a compromised roster.

You've clearly never actually really read what stash is saying then.

Because he's never given the front office a pass here.

It's always funny to me that Garrett supporters like yourself will lament all the bad decisions that they have made but apparently the one really good move they made was hiring Garrett. Haha.

 

[408Cowboy]

No one knew they had great depth. They plugged in a 5th round pick at LT and was able to coach around some of his shortcomings, for example. In fact, they had a plan in place to move Lane Johnson to LT if the kid imploded.

It's ******* hilarious at this point that people try to mitigate the fact that the Eagles coaching staff did an unbelievable job last year. That, instead, their success was all due to the front office giving them a flawless roster.

That's because the only way we can win with our coach is to have a flawless roster. Therefore it must be true for everybody else. The exception being the Pats. It's really the last crutch Garrett supporters have at this point.

 

[jazzcat22]

But we had Bill with no better results. Our problem goes deeper than coaching.

We were getting results with Bill, then he quit. He could nave stayed another year to help build it more. But he decided to leave.
And we supposedly have better players now than when Bill was here.

We been told constantly how this team has talent, for how long now, at least the past 10 years. But yet here we are with no results.
If it is not the players then it is the coaches, if it is not the coaches, then it is the players.
And the coaches and scouts and MCClay has that say so more so than Jerry.

 

[Stash]

And clearly you'll use any excuse to absolve the Front Office of any and all blame for anything that affects the record and performance of this team.

Maybe you're Jerry Jones in disguise?

See how pointless that type of logic is? In my posts, I've said over and over again, that I am not a big Garrett fan, and that he has indeed made many mistakes. He was however, presented with a compromised roster.

And that continues to be a ******** claim. Never supported by facts. You keep trying it, I'll keep refuting it.

Jason Garrett's failures are his own. By his own hands, his own decisions, or people he's responsible for.

That's why it's called the head coach.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’m not clear on how the “ hate” word is used this generation?

Bill resurrected us from our lowest point in Jerry era. Why would we hate that?

Again, lower standards. Bill was a good roster builder. But his predictable, over the hill coaching was done for. And any fool that thought we were going to win with Quincy "the bong" Carter, Testicleverde, and Bledslow at QB needs to get the heck out of dodge.

 

[Stash]

Absolutely not. What I am saying is that the primary cause of our lack of success in recent years is bad personnel decisions by the front office, and not primarily by bad coaching.

So you believe that trainwrecks like Chaz Green were forced on "poor Jason Garrett"?

 

[Whyjerry]

Looks like he struggles against the good teams. What a shocker.

 

[408Cowboy]

So you believe that trainwrecks like Chaz Green were forced on "poor Jason Garrett"?

He was a solid backup until some coach screwed with his position

 

[Stash]

We were getting results with Bill, then he quit. He could nave stayed another year to help build it more. But he decided to leave.
And we supposedly have better players now than when Bill was here.

We been told constantly how this team has talent, for how long now, at least the past 10 years. But yet here we are with no results.

I think that one valid criticism that can be made of Bill Parcells is that he got more and more conservative as he got older. He was never a "let 'er rip" coach to begin with, but the longer he coached, the worse that got.

But I'll tell you what, he would know how this team is built and where his bread is buttered and you'd never hear a single person ever accuse him of abandoning the run game the way that Garrett and Linehan have throughout their careers.

And that's why Jerry had to wait for Parcells to leave before he could bring his pass-happy stepson into the picture. Took him about a week to do it in fact.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

It's always funny to me that Garrett supporters like yourself will lament all the bad decisions that they have made but apparently the one really good move they made was hiring Garrett. Haha.

"Garrett Supporter"??? Huh? I don't remember ever making one post "supporting" Garret, but I've made several criticizing him.

My point is that with a flawed roster, it's difficult to evaluate the coach. Period.

We don't know what a "better" coach could have done with the actual roster, any more than we know what Garrett could have done with a "better" roster.

 

[jazzcat22]

Absolutely not. What I am saying is that the primary cause of our lack of success in recent years is bad personnel decisions by the front office, and not primarily by bad coaching.

So it was Jerry’s fault that Garrett did not override Linehan play calling to pass 8 times inside the 5 yard line when we had Zeke to run it?

Give me a break, that is all on the coaching staff.

 

[Stash]

He was a solid backup until some coach screwed with his position

He had two decent games in an otherwise injury-riddled career, let's not make it out to be anything but wha get it truly is.

Chaz Green is a bust who will never take another snap for this team barring a catastrophic series of injuries.

 

[Stash]

"Garrett Supporter"??? Huh? I don't remember ever making one post "supporting" Garret, but I've made several criticizing him.

My point is that with a flawed roster, it's difficult to evaluate the coach. Period.

We don't know what a "better" coach could have done with the actual roster, any more than we know what Garrett could have done with a "better" roster.

Nor do you know what the roster was capable of being hamstrung by an overmatched coach who never earned the job.

But that doesn't stop you from trying.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think that one valid criticism that can be made of Bill Parcells is that he got more and more conservative as he got older. He was never a "let 'er rip" coach to begin with, but the longer he coached, the worse that got.

But I'll tell you what, he would know how this team is built and where his bread is buttered and you'd never hear a single person ever accuse him of abandoning the run game the way that Garrett and Linehan have throughout their careers.

And that's why Jerry had to wait for Parcells to leave before he could bring his pass-happy stepson into the picture. Took him about a week to do it in fact.

Yes I often thought, just about every play call I thought...Bill is playing it way too close to the vest. To where it cost us quite a few games.

 

[Sydla]

"Garrett Supporter"??? Huh? I don't remember ever making one post "supporting" Garret, but I've made several criticizing him.

My point is that with a flawed roster, it's difficult to evaluate the coach. Period.

We don't know what a "better" coach could have done with the actual roster, any more than we know what Garrett could have done with a "better" roster.

By shifting the blame to the front office, you've essentially supported him.

We know exactly what a better coach would do with this roster. You admitted it yourself above when you said that no, you weren't claiming Garrett got the most out of his teams. They likely would have done better.

 

[408Cowboy]

He had two decent games in an otherwise injury-riddled career, let's not make it out to be anything but wha get it truly is.

Chaz Green is a bust who will never take another snap for this team barring a catastrophic series of injuries.

It's my day off and the ex has the kids for the day so I'm day drinking. Just here for some laughs.