Broaddus on his Cowboys show says Watson is better than Mahomes,2017 draft etc

[Hawkeye0202]

Serious question......raise your hand if you think Mahomes would have had the same success spending his first 8 years under Jason Garret.
I'm saying he isn't great or as one said, a generation talent, but coaching matters. Andy Reid is the NFL's best offensive mind behind the late Bill Walsh. Look how much he won with MaNabb.

 

[zrinkill]

If Mahomes was here the last few years with an oft-injured and getting old Oline, only 1 legit WR in CeeDee, no run game, a defense which continues to struggle to stop the run and these coaches? Mahomes would definitely struggle. My point is Mahomes is very good but he's also been surrounded by a very well built team and coaches.

Jeebus

 

[Motorola]

Agreed.

So why did you repeatedly bring up Dak's career INTs???

You're flat out wrong with that response.
I posted 1 -ONE - comment (#22) listing Prescott's interception totals for each full season he played (2016 to 2019, 2021 to 2023).

ONE.

I did that to point out (2nd fewest by the way for quarterbacks who started most of their teams' games in 2016) to reiterate how outstanding his rookie season was. It supported my earlier comments (#10 and #17) in refuting DandyDon52 thread theme that Cowboys should have been looking at Mahomes - or any other quarterback - in the 2017 draft.
Why you do keep on stating that my comments are discrediting Prescott. They don't.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You're flat out wrong with that response.
I posted 1 -ONE - comment (#22) listing Prescott's interception totals for each full season he played (2016 to 2019, 2021 to 2023).

ONE.

I did that to point out (2nd fewest by the way for quarterbacks who started most of their teams' games in 2016) to reiterate how outstanding his rookie season was. It supported my earlier comments (#10 and #17) in refuting DandyDon52 thread theme that Cowboys should have been looking at Mahomes - or any other quarterback - in the 2017 draft.
Why you do keep on stating that my comments are discrediting Prescott. They don't.

Then explain this response of yours to me?

Post in thread 'Broaddus on his Cowboys show says Watson is better than Mahomes,2017 draft etc' https://cowboyszone.com/threads/bro...n-mahomes-2017-draft-etc.524578/post-13564123

 

[gtb1943]

Another horrible attempt of a Dak hate thread.

amazing how some always think everything is about Dak
He is part of the problem but we gots plenty besides him

 

[Motorola]

Then explain this response of yours to me?

Post in thread 'Broaddus on his Cowboys show says Watson is better than Mahomes,2017 draft etc' https://cowboyszone.com/threads/bro...n-mahomes-2017-draft-etc.524578/post-13564123

Again...you are fixated on that response in the wrong way in regards to what the thread topic is.
DandyDon52's post was about the Cowboys should have been looking to draft Mahomes in 2017.
Again...my initial comment was that Prescott's rookie season performance was so great that Dallas was not looking at Mahomes or no other QB in 2017 (they did sign Rush as a UDFA).
I didn't state any stat of Prescott in that comment.
You responded to my post that Prescott was on a record-breaking pace to start his 5th season ...projecting what his numbers could have been if he wasn't injured.
I then commented that it didn't happen because of his injury...and as a by-the-way add on, I mentioned that Prescott already had 5 INTs in those first 5 games, which was one more than he had his entire rookie season - which further supported my point that the Cowboys were sold on Prescott being their franchise QB after Romo - thus they were not looking at ANY quarterback to draft in 2017...just settled on bringing in a UDFA to compete with Moore to be QB2.

 

[big dog cowboy]

AND???

It's still waaaaaay lower in total than what Troy, Roger and Romo threw in the similar amount of time playing.

Your post said nothing about any of those QB's. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Your post was praising Dak for throwing only a few more ints whole playing two years longer. When the truth is that is a distortion of the truth which is Dak throws a higher percentage of ints than Mohomes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Another horrible attempt of a Dak hate thread.

We have a quota around here we have to maintain you know!

 

[Chasing6]

with int's, dont you look at int/td ratio?
Also how many passes thrown?
And then each int is different, where on the field did it happen, and did it give up points?
How many were pick 6's?

In 2016 dak didnt throw many passes, and struggled to get 200 yds per game. The run game is what won a bunch of those games.

I just find it odd that mahomes is so good and his team is winning multible SB's, and yet no one could see his potential in 2017.
I think therefore that teams, scouts, and experts are mostly wrong about players most of the time, and that is why so many busts each year.

Also just because a team has a good qb, it is stupid then to stop looking at qb's in the draft each year.

Well KC gave up on average less than 17 points a game last year.

 

[gimmesix]

Shows what a crapshoot drafting a QB is. Funny that Buffalo gave KC the opportunity to draft Mahomes. Man, did that come back to haunt them. Lol Had they taken Mahomes they could be where the Chiefs are.

When the draft rolls around each year, fans get grass-is-greener syndrome. Even though we don't know which players are going to turn out, we lament taking this player over that player or think we should have grabbed one of the sure-fire QBs when there's no such thing. We bring up failed choices and what we would have done better, but rarely bring up successful choices and what we would have done worse. Some seem to think we should hit on every draft choice or that we are going to hit on every draft choice while others seem to think every choice we make is the wrong one. Fans are truly strange creatures and the draft is some of the best evidence of that.

 

[DandyDon52]

Mahomes had/has Andy Reid as a coach. Do you think he would have been as successful if Dallas moved up and drafted him and he had Jason Garrett as a coach?

no with JG and jerry not as successful, but they might have got past the div round, and the champ game and maybe get to and lose a SB.
And if they got real lucky, maybe they win one with mahomes.

But it would not be the same success KC is having.

 

[Techsass]

Imagine how the Bears feel? They were sitting right there and took Trubisky. That one will sting for years.

Actually didn't they give up a bunch to move up 1 slot to make sure they would get Trubisky?

 

[sunalsorises]

Reid actually started with the Chiefs in 2013, didn't get Mahomes until 2017. He was basically doing what the Cowboys do making the playoffs with Alex Smith and losing.

Reid took Donovan McNabb, who wasn’t all that good, to 4 straight NFC championships and a Super Bowl. I’d say Reid made McNabb.

 

[baltcowboy]

Shows what a crapshoot drafting a QB is. Funny that Buffalo gave KC the opportunity to draft Mahomes. Man, did that come back to haunt them. Lol Had they taken Mahomes they could be where the Chiefs are.

Maybe if Buffalo had Andy Reid for a coach. People seem to forget what a great offensive minded coach can do for a quarterback. Mahomes is a great talent but coaching harnessed his play .

 

[SlammedZero]

Actually didn't they give up a bunch to move up 1 slot to make sure they would get Trubisky?

Yup, you are correct. I just looked it up: "The Bears moved up from the third overall pick by trading the San Francisco 49ers two third-round picks and a fourth-round pick."

 

[RonnieT24]

Shows what a crapshoot drafting a QB is. Funny that Buffalo gave KC the opportunity to draft Mahomes. Man, did that come back to haunt them. Lol Had they taken Mahomes they could be where the Chiefs are.

Not unless they also hired Andy Reid. People downplay the importance of coaching far too often. Until it suits their narrative of course. Does anybody here think Dak would not be a lot better (and he's already pretty good) if he'd spent the first 7 years of his career learning from Andy Reid instead of Kellen Moore? A show of hands. We've already seen marked improvement in one year of Dak learning from McCarthy over Moore. Imagine if we had that from his rookie year on.

 

[KJJ]

Not unless they also hired Andy Reid. People downplay the importance of coaching far too often.

Andy Reid began to fail in Philly when McNabb began to decline and Vick became his QB. It led to him being fired. Reid was 1-4 in the playoffs with Alex Smith. QBs make or break a head coach.

 

[KJJ]

Maybe if Buffalo had Andy Reid for a coach. People seem to forget what a great offensive minded coach can do for a quarterback. Mahomes is a great talent but coaching harnessed his play .

As I pointed out to the other poster Reid was 1-4 in the playoffs with Alex Smith. Any HC will succeed with an all-time great QB. Look at Belichick’s head coaching career before and after Brady.

 

[cristglo]

Watson can only dream he is that good.

 

[RonnieT24]

Andy Reid began to fail in Philly when McNabb began to decline and Vick became his QB. It led to him being fired. Reid was 1-4 in the playoffs with Alex Smith. QBs make or break a head coach.

And vice versa. Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different QBs with three completely different play styles. Troy Aikman was never really great after Norv left. Steve Young was dumped in Tampa (was that Coslett?) then became a hall of famer after working with Bill Walsh. There are numerous examples of the right pairing needed to be made for both coach and QB to succeed. The truly great coaches figure out how to get the best out of their guys and lot of potentially great QBs have been hamstrung by idiot coaches. But recall Reid had to clean up the Todd Haley/Romeo Crennel mess when he got to KC. So it was not JUST about the QB.. but then it never truly is. And "fail" might be overstating what happened in Philly.. They were 11-5 McNabb's last year 2009 and 10-6 in Vick's first year 2010. Those final two years 8-8 and 4-12 were probably as much about age and injuries as anything else. That and guys just needed a different voice. It happens.. and nobody's to blame for it.