Twitter: Broaddus says "I have thought all along that Carr stays"

[KingintheNorth]

Carr is still here because the FO is hedging their bets. They don't trust themselves enough to go out and replace him so he stays until a replacement somehow ends up on the roster.

Two years in a row, the team has told Carr to take a paycut or else. Both years, Carr has called their bluff. Apparently "or else" means stay here and collect the contract of an elite NFL cornerback.

 

[gmoney112]

The season starts in September, not April. We are less than a week into FA and will have a ton of money to spend - and we have the 4th pick in the draft.

And even before those moves, the pass rush will be better just from the fact we will have Thornton upgrading 1 Tech and Crawford healthy at the 3T.

This is a common sentiment that has 0 bearing on factual evidence.

It's a simple issue of supply.

I look at signings and available FA every single day. Who is on the market right now that's going to give us any sort of meaningful pass rush?

What rookie edge rusher came into the league his first year and did much of anything? What's the statistical probability of even first round edge rushers being productive their first year? Khalil Mack is a better pusher than anyone coming out this year and even he got about 4 sacks his rookie season.

Anyone banking on a 2nd tier DT that plays the one technique is in for a major disappointment. Solid signing? Absolutely. Is he going to help? You bet. But he's not going to suddenly turn this line into a 30-40 sack unit.

So where is this pass rush coming from exactly? I'm asking because I can't find it. And pigeon holing yourself into drafting for need in the first round is exactly the last thing I want to happen

 

[Coachmac87]

What did you expect?

 

[Kaiser]

So where is this pass rush coming from exactly? I'm asking because I can't find it. And pigeon holing yourself into drafting for need in the first round is exactly the last thing I want to happen

Im afraid I'm not going to forfeit the season in March.

If you read my posts I was one of the first guys saying Bosa wasn't anywhere close to a top five pick. I've also said BPA forever, but with the provision that you draft BPA with positions of need instead of going solely off the draft board (i.e. Sharrif Floyd).

There are plenty of options, plenty of time for them and plenty of FA money & draft picks available for it.

This defense isn't built around one guy like DWare getting 20 sacks, its more about having depth and rotational guys getting sacks. You are right about rookie rarely contributing and second year players showing improvement - but you should acknowledge Randy Gregory, David Irving and Ryan Russell should all be greatly improved this year.

Gregory may contribute nothing this year, but he could also be a sack-per-game player when he is on the field. Greg Hardy is one of the best pass rushers in the league when his head is on straight - he may be gone or the team may be letter his agent realize he has a very limited market and would be better off coming back on a one year deal.

In FA, the team signed Mincey for nothing two years ago and he gave the team 8 sacks. There are plenty of those type of rotational players out there. I'm not a fan of Chris Long but he is certainly a guy that could come in and do the same thing, as are others still remaining in FA.

Its not hard to see a 2nd or 3rd round pick coming in as a good rotational pass rusher.

Tyrone Crawford is a ten sack player when healthy, he got 5 last year playing with one arm. Its a lock that our DTs will be better on passing downs than they were last year.

DLaw is a ten+ sack player who would do more if he was moved to RDE.

I don't know what the final lineup will be, but as I said there are plenty of options, plenty of time and plenty of FA money and draft picks available for it.

 

[Aliencowboy]

So you found a ESPN article about another team who has luck drafting CB's and tied this in with Carr and started a new thread about it?

Yes?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Right now they're worse. As bad as they were at generating turnovers, stopping the run, and holding late, the defense played well for all that was asked. Not well enough, but not as bad as their record.

Scandrick and Thornton will both help. Scandrick is a good corner that was as good as anyone on that side in 14. Thornton has had a pretty good run as an elite run defender in a 3-4.

Hayden was the goat and he's been replaced. Weddle would sure look nice shoring up the other huge hole on defense from last year. They'd still have work to do, but they would have help in the bad spots from last year's team. Problem is what to do at DE. If they swallowed and brought back Hardy, they'd be looking at entering the draft with a chance to really solidify their defense.

 

[gmoney112]

Im afraid I'm not going to forfeit the season in March.

If you read my posts I was one of the first guys saying Bosa wasn't anywhere close to a top five pick. I've also said BPA forever, but with the provision that you draft BPA with positions of need instead of going solely off the draft board (i.e. Sharrif Floyd).

There are plenty of options, plenty of time for them and plenty of FA money & draft picks available for it.

This defense isn't built around one guy like DWare getting 20 sacks, its more about having depth and rotational guys getting sacks. You are right about rookie rarely contributing and second year players showing improvement - but you should acknowledge Randy Gregory, David Irving and Ryan Russell should all be greatly improved this year.

Gregory may contribute nothing this year, but he could also be a sack-per-game player when he is on the field. Greg Hardy is one of the best pass rushers in the league when his head is on straight - he may be gone or the team may be letter his agent realize he has a very limited market and would be better off coming back on a one year deal.

In FA, the team signed Mincey for nothing two years ago and he gave the team 8 sacks. There are plenty of those type of rotational players out there. I'm not a fan of Chris Long but he is certainly a guy that could come in and do the same thing, as are others still remaining in FA.

Its not hard to see a 2nd or 3rd round pick coming in as a good rotational pass rusher.

Tyrone Crawford is a ten sack player when healthy, he got 5 last year playing with one arm. Its a lock that our DTs will be better on passing downs than they were last year.

DLaw is a ten+ sack player who would do more if he was moved to RDE.

I don't know what the final lineup will be, but as I said there are plenty of options, plenty of time and plenty of FA money and draft picks available for it.

I'm well aware of the players currently on the roster and our offseason moves over the last five years. Mincey also had 6 sacks, btw. 0 this year.

Is it common to retrack into a defensive position when I ask for examples of where this pass rush is coming from?

I like Crawford and DLaw. In fact, if you bother to look at my posting history I've been saying for years I was a fan of his since he came into the league as a 3-4 end and held his own. I even thought Mincey was a good signing. I actually liked Russell too but he's looking like a 3 year guy because he was out of his element last year even in preseason against backups.

Gregory is a complete question mark, and Chris Long has started in 11 games in 2 years, averaging a sack every 5 games. He's been invisible since he was 28, he's now 31 and hasn't done anything in two years. That signing may be applauded by guys who love name recognition, but in an actual business to win games, it's borderline inept.

No one's "giving up on the season". I simply asked where we'rd going to get this pass rush since apparently there's so many options our there. It's not over, sure, but analysis at this point is telling me we sign a guy like Long, then feign outrage and make injury excuses when an underproductive, 31 year old recently injury prone player does exactly what he's done for 2 years, get injured or underperforms.

I'm analytical. And while it's fun to lock hands and sing around the campfire that everything's going to come together, the NFL is an extremely aggressive market and pass rushers are a premium, you aren't going to get one that's going to help you win football games by sitting on your hands waiting on a deal. Good teams go after the players they want. They don't spend a lot but they get them. Patriots needed a pass rusher last year, so they went out and got Sheard. The Patriots don't spend like Jax but when they have a glaring hole they get their guys. Revis and Sheard are both examples.

If anyone has any examples of a decent pass rusher still out there that are going to help us win, I'd love to see some examples.

 

[KJJ]

of course the offense is the strength of the team.. but in 2014 we also had a lot of turnovers and its the same defense 2014-15. Aaron rodgers shreds a lot of defenses but in the game before that.. it seems like you want to ignore the job that brandon carr did on megatron. I know carr and claiborne arent great and I want carr to get cut.. i just dont like when people bring up the negative about something and completely ignore the positives like him not missing one game for us while all our other cbs miss games. Everything is negative on this board after going 4-12 im more optimistic about this year because I know the main reason we went 4-12 is because of romo and dez.. lets not act like we wouldnt of made the playoffs if those two were healthy without that dominant running game from 2014. One year everyone is commending the staff and are desperate to keep garrett marinelli and linehan.. Jerry gets executive of the year or whatever.. the cowboys are so smart getting martin instead of manziel.. this year happens and all of a sudden this FO is a "joke"

We had a lot of turnovers in 2014 partly due to getting teams behind which makes it easier to force some turnovers. When teams are having to play comeback mistakes happen. In 2015 we were involved in a lot of tight games and we played not to lose offensively and defensively. To force turnovers you have to take some chances and our corners were playing not to get beat most of the 2015 season. We were trying so hard not to give up plays defensively we weren't aggressive with a bend but don't break approach. As for Carr vs Megatron in the playoffs in 2014 he had help this time around which wasn't the case in 2013 when CJ went off on Carr for 14 catches for 329 yards. Megatron totally embarrassed Carr in that game and the Cowboys weren't about to leave him alone on Johnson again.

Let's be real the negatives on Carr and Claiborne far out weigh the positives. The Cowboys aren't thrilled with either player but they're stuck at corner with few options so they have to hang on to them. The main reason the Cowboys went 4-12 was because Romo and Dez went down but even had they stayed healthy the entire season the Cowboys were looking at 9 wins at best. In the opener it took a last ditch drive by Romo courtesy of a clock management gaffe by the Giants to pull that game out in the closing seconds. Had it not been for that mistake by the Giants the Cowboys would have started the season 0-1. Romo was back having to carry the team due to an inefficient running game that saw McFadden and Randle combine for 3.5 a carry.

Dez didn't look great in the opener and neither did the rest of our receivers who let Romo down. It forced him to have to use Dunbar as a receiver who was the teams leading receiver until he got injured. Romo attempted 45 passes in the opener which was more than in any game in 2014. In week 2 he was on pace for another 40 attempt game until he got hurt. This looked like the same Cowboys team that went 8-8 three straight years. The running game wasn't close to what it was in 2014. Against Carolina McFadden had 3 negative carries in his first 7 attempts forcing Romo to have to press which led to a meltdown. Anytime Romo doesn't have help and is having to shoulder the load it usually leads to multiple turnovers and a terrible performance.

When a team goes 1-11 with 3 backup QBs including a couple of veterans who've won 35 games between them your issues go way beyond your backup QBs. The worst game the Cowboys played all season was a game Romo started. He had no running game to lean on and with his injury leading to a sputtering offense it resulted in the defense having to spend more time on the field causing them to wear down in some games. In 2 OT games our defense didn't give our offense a single opportunity with the ball. Even with Romo and Dez the entire season the Cowboys weren't going to be a very good team and the opener was a strong indicator of that.

The Cowboys had three 8-8 seasons with Romo and Dez and the 2015 team looked no better than those teams. This wasn't close to the team we had in 2014 that featured the top rusher in the league. Murray had more carries and yards than Emmitt Smith ever had in a season and the Cowboys rode him to the playoffs. Without that high octane rushing attack this team was no better than the 8-8 teams we had.

 

[Vanilla2]

I'm happy for Carr.

Too many times these guys get the shaft with their pay.

For once it's the player who is seemingly coming out on top.

Is he the kind of player that worth that type salary? No

But few free agents are and its funny that most of the same people that are complaining about his salary are the same one's *****ing about the Cowboys inactivity in free agency.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I'm well aware of the players currently on the roster and our offseason moves over the last five years. Mincey also had 6 sacks, btw. 0 this year.

Is it common to retrack into a defensive position when I ask for examples of where this pass rush is coming from?

I like Crawford and DLaw. In fact, if you bother to look at my posting history I've been saying for years I was a fan of his since he came into the league as a 3-4 end and held his own. I even thought Mincey was a good signing. I actually liked Russell too but he's looking like a 3 year guy because he was out of his element last year even in preseason against backups.

Gregory is a complete question mark, and Chris Long has started in 11 games in 2 years, averaging a sack every 5 games. He's been invisible since he was 28, he's now 31 and hasn't done anything in two years. That signing may be applauded by guys who love name recognition, but in an actual business to win games, it's borderline inept.

No one's "giving up on the season". I simply asked where we'rd going to get this pass rush since apparently there's so many options our there. It's not over, sure, but analysis at this point is telling me we sign a guy like Long, then feign outrage and make injury excuses when an underproductive, 31 year old recently injury prone player does exactly what he's done for 2 years, get injured or underperforms.

I'm analytical. And while it's fun to lock hands and sing around the campfire that everything's going to come together, the NFL is an extremely aggressive market and pass rushers are a premium, you aren't going to get one that's going to help you win football games by sitting on your hands waiting on a deal. Good teams go after the players they want. They don't spend a lot but they get them. Patriots needed a pass rusher last year, so they went out and got Sheard. The Patriots don't spend like Jax but when they have a glaring hole they get their guys. Revis and Sheard are both examples.

If anyone has any examples of a decent pass rusher still out there that are going to help us win, I'd love to see some examples.

You make some great points. So far the Dline looks at best the same as last year but probably worse. We lost hardy and Gregory for 4 games, signed a DT ( decent) and are hoping that Crawford is going to heal up and play better. Jack Crawford hasn't been resigned and Tank Lawrence just had back surgery. Our D line last year was terrible, so I don't see how losing hardy, mincey, j Crawford, Gregory for 4 games, and Lawrence having back surgery makes for a better DLine. We need 42-53 sacks from the D to contend in the playoffs. I guess if we had 8 guys that gave us 6 sacks a piece it would work. (Sarcasm)

 

[iRepDatStar]

We had a lot of turnovers in 2014 partly due to getting teams behind which makes it easier to force some turnovers. When teams are having to play comeback mistakes happen. In 2015 we were involved in a lot of tight games and we played not to lose offensively and defensively. To force turnovers you have to take some chances and our corners were playing not to get beat most of the 2015 season. We were trying so hard not to give up plays defensively we weren't aggressive with a bend but don't break approach. As for Carr vs Megatron in the playoffs in 2014 he had help this time around which wasn't the case in 2013 when CJ went off on Carr for 14 catches for 329 yards. Megatron totally embarrassed Carr in that game and the Cowboys weren't about to leave him alone on Johnson again.

Let's be real the negatives on Carr and Claiborne far out weigh the positives. The Cowboys aren't thrilled with either player but they're stuck at corner with few options so they have to hang on to them. The main reason the Cowboys went 4-12 was because Romo and Dez went down but even had they stayed healthy the entire season the Cowboys were looking at 9 wins at best. In the opener it took a last ditch drive by Romo courtesy of a clock management gaffe by the Giants to pull that game out in the closing seconds. Had it not been for that mistake by the Giants the Cowboys would have started the season 0-1. Romo was back having to carry the team due to an inefficient running game that saw McFadden and Randle combine for 3.5 a carry.

Dez didn't look great in the opener and neither did the rest of our receivers who let Romo down. It forced him to have to use Dunbar as a receiver who was the teams leading receiver until he got injured. Romo attempted 45 passes in the opener which was more than in any game in 2014. In week 2 he was on pace for another 40 attempt game until he got hurt. This looked like the same Cowboys team that went 8-8 three straight years. The running game wasn't close to what it was in 2014. Against Carolina McFadden had 3 negative carries in his first 7 attempts forcing Romo to have to press which led to a meltdown. Anytime Romo doesn't have help and is having to shoulder the load it usually leads to multiple turnovers and a terrible performance.

When a team goes 1-11 with 3 backup QBs including a couple of veterans who've won 35 games between them your issues go way beyond your backup QBs. The worst game the Cowboys played all season was a game Romo started. He had no running game to lean on and with his injury leading to a sputtering offense it resulted in the defense having to spend more time on the field causing them to wear down in some games. In 2 OT games our defense didn't give our offense a single opportunity with the ball. Even with Romo and Dez the entire season the Cowboys weren't going to be a very good team and the opener was a strong indicator of that.

The Cowboys had three 8-8 seasons with Romo and Dez and the 2015 team looked no better than those teams. This wasn't close to the team we had in 2014 that featured the top rusher in the league. Murray had more carries and yards than Emmitt Smith ever had in a season and the Cowboys rode him to the playoffs. Without that high octane rushing attack this team was no better than the 8-8 teams we had.

Im with you.. nothing you said here is false.. I still believe we would have been a playoff team last year if it weren't for injuries I was thinking along the lines of 10 wins.. but yea we probably wouldnt have beat the panthers or the cards if we would have faced them so either way we just need to get better.. I guess its more posts like this one that i rather see than just the plain bashing we get on this board on a daily basis.. that way we can all just talk about our seasons and what went wrong like adults..

 

[cowboyblue22]

mostly the reason he is still here is the ineptitude of the front office

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Chaps, Carr is a perfect fit in Jerry's system -- journeyman, overpaid, underachiever and Jerry believes he'll blossom some year soon.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Im afraid I'm not going to forfeit the season in March.

If you read my posts I was one of the first guys saying Bosa wasn't anywhere close to a top five pick. I've also said BPA forever, but with the provision that you draft BPA with positions of need instead of going solely off the draft board (i.e. Sharrif Floyd).

There are plenty of options, plenty of time for them and plenty of FA money & draft picks available for it.

This defense isn't built around one guy like DWare getting 20 sacks, its more about having depth and rotational guys getting sacks. You are right about rookie rarely contributing and second year players showing improvement - but you should acknowledge Randy Gregory, David Irving and Ryan Russell should all be greatly improved this year.

Gregory may contribute nothing this year, but he could also be a sack-per-game player when he is on the field. Greg Hardy is one of the best pass rushers in the league when his head is on straight - he may be gone or the team may be letter his agent realize he has a very limited market and would be better off coming back on a one year deal.

In FA, the team signed Mincey for nothing two years ago and he gave the team 8 sacks. There are plenty of those type of rotational players out there. I'm not a fan of Chris Long but he is certainly a guy that could come in and do the same thing, as are others still remaining in FA.

Its not hard to see a 2nd or 3rd round pick coming in as a good rotational pass rusher.

Tyrone Crawford is a ten sack player when healthy, he got 5 last year playing with one arm. Its a lock that our DTs will be better on passing downs than they were last year.

DLaw is a ten+ sack player who would do more if he was moved to RDE.

I don't know what the final lineup will be, but as I said there are plenty of options, plenty of time and plenty of FA money and draft picks available for it.

That's telling them!
Unfortunately, mate, Jerry still calls the shots.

 

[KJJ]

mostly the reason he is still here is the ineptitude of the front office

He and Claiborne are both here because of the lack of options we have at CB. We currently have no one to replace either one of them.

 

[casmith07]

I hope this is Dallas just feeding Broaddus this info to help with negotiating power with other FA CB's or as a smokescreen that they are not taking Ramsey

Me too. It just doesn't make sense to cut him when it's a $7M dead cap figure and when his current cap figure only counts around 9% of the team's total cap -- the same it did last year, and they didn't cut him then.

They would only save around $6M in releasing him, and they just surpassed that cap savings amount by restructuring Tyron Smith.

Carr has started every game since he's been here - missed zero due to injury. You don't cut guys like that, particularly when he hasn't played nearly as bad as the armchair coaches and GMs think.

 

[Nightman]

Me too. It just doesn't make sense to cut him when it's a $7M dead cap figure and when his current cap figure only counts around 9% of the team's total cap -- the same it did last year, and they didn't cut him then.

They would only save around $6M in releasing him, and they just surpassed that cap savings amount by restructuring Tyron Smith.

Carr has started every game since he's been here - missed zero due to injury. You don't cut guys like that, particularly when he hasn't played nearly as bad as the armchair coaches and GMs think.

He is one of the lowest rated CBs with one of the highest cap hits.

His the poster boy for types of guys that get cut.

The best thing you can say about him is that he shows up.

Only saving 6m is A LOT.

 

[KJJ]

The only good thing I can say about Carr is he plays tight coverage a lot and will battle the receiver but he gets spun around a lot losing sight of the ball resulting a lot of completions and PI's. This is one of the reasons he's had zero INT's the past two seasons.

 

[silver]

Carr is still here because the FO is hedging their bets. They don't trust themselves enough to go out and replace him so he stays until a replacement somehow ends up on the roster.

Two years in a row, the team has told Carr to take a paycut or else. Both years, Carr has called their bluff. Apparently "or else" means stay here and collect the contract of an elite NFL cornerback.

I agree with this. However the moment Scandrick and Claborne start practicing and if Jones remains at CB, Carr will be expendable. I doubt however that he will play here with his current deal. It all will depend on who we draft. If we take a safety we might need him. If we take a corner he will take a pay cut to stay.

 

[KJJ]

I agree with this. However the moment Scandrick and Claborne start practicing and if Jones remains at CB, Carr will be expendable. I doubt however that he will play here with his current deal. It all will depend on who we draft. If we take a safety we might need him. If we take a corner he will take a pay cut to stay.

From everything that's been reported Jones will be moving the safety so the Cowboys can't be cutting corners so to speak. I would expect we'll draft at least one corner in April.