Broaddus take on Garrett being fired after this season

[Animosity]

Our current QB is not nor ever has been our problem..

Choking in must win games... not Romos fault.

Its a new excuse every year.

Never Romos fault. Someone elses fault

 

[Coy]

It's to the point now where when I read about Romo being the problem, no matter what is actually said I read it as "please scroll down".

Tony Romo is a Championship winning QB saddled with the worst owner/GM in the sports world.

You can add HC to that.

 

[Coy]

Choking in must win games... not Romos fault.

Its a new excuse every year.

Never Romos fault. Someone elses fault

That doesn't mean he is the problem here in Dallas, of course he could have played better in some of those games but without Romo we wouldn't even been playing in them.

 

[Animosity]

That doesn't mean he is the problem here in Dallas, of course he could have played better in some of those games but without Romo we wouldn't even been playing in them.

What we we in 2010 With Romo at QB? 1-5?

A 50 year old backup QB ending up winning more games than Romo. LOL

 

[theebs]

What we we in 2010 With Romo at QB? 1-5?

A 50 year old backup QB ending up winning more games than Romo. LOL

lol at ignorant fans.

the nfl relies on this type, this is how they became one of the biggest organizations.

 

[Animosity]

lol at ignorant fans.

the nfl relies on this type, this is how they became one of the biggest organizations.

of course.. . ignore the facts.

If we are lucky to still be in contention for a playoff run, Romo will choke AGAIN like he did the past two years... and several years.

How many INTs did he throw vs the Commanders last year in a must win game? 3? 4? I lost count. I might have to take off my shoes to count how many he will throw vs Philly.

 

[Coy]

What we we in 2010 With Romo at QB? 1-5?

A 50 year old backup QB ending up winning more games than Romo. LOL

It was 1-4 when Romo got hurt against the Giants, and by the way they were winning at the time but ok, everything is Romo's fault

 

[Animosity]

It was 1-4 when Romo got hurt against the Giants, and by the way they were winning at the time but ok, everything is Romo's fault

He got knocked out of the game. He lost.

 

[Coy]

He got knocked out of the game. He lost.

LOL Ok.

 

[Stash]

Oh, BS. Get off your agenda and debate fairly. Many have said the firing of Ryan wasn't just based on scheme and performance. That's not fiction. And there has more injuries this year esp to start with. Neither of those two statements is non-factual.

Nice to see some are preparing theirs already.

People can make up whatever reasons they want.

Heck, comfort seems to be much bigger on the owners' list than performance anyway.

Maybe Ryan wasn't their kinda guy?

And maybe Kiffin is Jerry's Geritol buddy so he stays?

It sure can't be performance related if either Kiffin or Garrett somehow stick around.

 

[jobberone]

Nice to see some are preparing theirs already.

People can make up whatever reasons they want.

Heck, comfort seems to be much bigger on the owners' list than performance anyway.

Maybe Ryan wasn't their kinda guy?

And maybe Kiffin is Jerry's Geritol buddy so he stays?

It sure can't be performance related if either Kiffin or Garrett somehow stick around.

You're not even responding to any conversation. Have a good night.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The difference between Garrett and Phillips is that you could see that Phillips was trending down. That team was 1-7 and had obviously given up. This current team is 7-5, in the playoff hunt and has won 5 of their last seven. Not to mention that they don't give up when the going gets tough. You could easily make the argument that Garrett's tenure is trending up whereas Phillips' was trending down.

Garrett tenure has not been trending up ore down. Its basically been trending mediocre. Which doesn't way much about him. I rather be terrible or good at least we know where we at. As with Garrett, his trending has been mediocre and shows no sign that he has changed his approach for the sake of the team.

We don't need mediocre. We need a coach that can come in here and make this happen. Garrett is not that. He mediocre because he does what Jerry tells him to and not because he has some way of making this a winning organization.

 

[waving monkey]

And we have the same decision makers set to run the 2014 draft.

there has been a good improvement in the draft lately. So having the same decision makers is a good thing.

 

[waving monkey]

of course.. . ignore the facts.

If we are lucky to still be in contention for a playoff run, Romo will choke AGAIN like he did the past two years... and several years.

How many INTs did he throw vs the Commanders last year in a must win game? 3? 4? I lost count. I might have to take off my shoes to count how many he will throw vs Philly.

and what kind of protection did Romo have in that game? People forget so much to justify their need to change for change's sake.

 

[Hoofbite]

Choking in must win games... not Romos fault.

Its a new excuse every year.

Never Romos fault. Someone elses fault

Who has said this? I'm not sure I have ever seen a single poster flat out claim that every loss in "must win" games was someone else's fault.

There are certainly times where it has been Romo's fault. However, over half of his career has been accompanied by defensive scoring ranks of 20th or worse. The only good defense he has had came in 2009 when the team ranked 2nd in scoring. 5 of his 8 years where he was the primary starter, the defense has been 20th or worse.

2006: 20th (9 Wins)
2008: 20th (9 Wins)
2010: 31st (6 Wins)
2012: 24th (8 Wins)
2013: 26th (7* Wins)​

You just don't win that often, if ever, with lousy defense and this team's management has constantly saddled their QB with the task of doing what basically NO QB CAN.
Other QBs

Tom Brady: Unknown

Hasn't played with a defense who's points allowed was ranked below 17th in the NFL. Ever. Hasn't had to deal with a bad defense during his entire career. I'm actually shocked at how damn consistent the Patriots are. Five Top 5 defenses since 2001. Nine Top 10 defenses since 2001 for Tom Brady. Who knows how well the Patriots would do if they had a horrible defense. Fact remains, Brady has never even been put into such a situation. His two worst seasons:​

2002: 17th (9 Wins)
2005: 17th (10 wins)​

OT: The patriots have had a defense no worse than 17th every season since 1996. That's amazing. 3 years at 17 and the rest of the time they were better than half the league, 12 seasons in which they finished at 10th or better.​

Aaron Rogers: 1 of 2.

2 bad seasons of defensive support. 2008 and this year. 6 wins in 2008 and 6 wins in 2013. He's missed time this year but I have no real interest in going into that because the same applies for Romo. To be fair, he did have a 15-win season in 2011 when his defense was 19th. Although, throw 45 TDs and 6 INT so no doubt he earned every one of those wins. Still though, only 2 times in 6 years where his defense ranked 20th or below​

Drew Brees: 1-of-4......sorta.

I only looked at his time as a Saint, not that it matters. He clearly elevated his game under Payton so it's not really relevant to look at his time before. 4 times in 8 years he's had to try to overcome a bad defense in terms of points allowed. There's more to the story though.

2007: 25th (7 Wins)

Defense/STs: 23 Takeaways, 5 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 28 TDs, 18 INTs​

2008: 26th (8 Wins)

Defense/STs: 22 Takeaways, 3 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 34 TDs, 17 INTs​

2009: 20th (13 Wins)

Defense/STs: 39 Takeaways, 9 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 34 TDs, 11 INTs​

2012: 31st (7 Wins) - Minus Sean Payton

Defense/STs: 26 Turnovers, 5 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 43 TDs, 19 INTs​

2009 was their Superbowl year. For the collection of years Brees averages just under 35 TDs and just over 16 INTs. Damn good QB play and yet the Saints most productive season didn't come during Drew Brees' most productive season. It did come however, during the season when his 20th ranked defense took the ball away about 2.5 times per game and the Saints scored a ton of points while their offense was on the bench.

That's not take anything away from Brees because he's fantastic but I think it speaks to the fact that not even he can do it all by himself. 43 TDs on the year should get a hell of a lot more than 7 wins but if your defense is just atrocious, 7 wins may be all you get.​

Bottom Line:

There just aren't many QBs who win with horrible defenses. That's just a fact. The only QB who appears to be able to win with a poor defense is Peyton Manning.

1998: 29th (3 Wins, Rookie Season)
2001: 31st (6 Wins)
2003: 20th (12 Wins)
2006: 23rd (12 Wins, Superbowl)
2010: 23rd (10 Wins)
2013: 25th (11 Wins)​

That 2001 defense might be on of the worst ever which sounds weird because at 31st you might assume that someone had to be worse off that year but that's not the case. There were only 31 teams that year and Indy allowed 486 points which has been surpassed by only 3 teams since that time. That's 30 points per game back when the league average was 20. Relative to the league average, it's the worst performance since 2001 by allowing 1.5X the league average.

To put that into perspective, the 2012 New Orleans Saints allowed 454 points. They would have had to allow 93 more points on the season in order to reach 1.5X the league average of 364. Imagine if the saints had allowed an average of 6 points per game more last year. They gonna win even 7 games?

The quality of a QB can only take your team so far. If your defense can't stop anyone, you're just not going to be able to get the type of play necessary to overcome that burden.

Dallas and Denver have given up roughly the same amount of points. Denver has the extra game and 24 points surrendered. The only reason they are in the position they are is because Peyton Manning is absolutely setting teams on fire. 47 TDs with 2 games to go. He's gotta hit 50 and I hope he does even if I only want him to because I don't care for Brady as much for some reason.

You have Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers. That's just about it. And not only just those guys but you have those guys playing at their most ridiculously high level. Rogers with 45 TDs and Manning at 47 TDs and still counting. Tom Brady has never had to play with a lousy defense and Drew Brees doesn't get anymore wins than Romo does, and the only time he did his defense scored a ton and took the ball away 39 times.


And here's another factor. Brees, Rogers, Manning, and Brady all play in far superior systems. This isn't even debatable except for maybe Manning but that man is the system so it really doesn't matter who gets the OC label because Peyton is running the show. Romo plays in a system that struggles to get the ball into the hands of it's best players. He plays in a system where the play calling procedure itself is about as as sturdy as a house of cards.

And that's all he's ever played under for the past 7 years. I honestly hope Garrett is canned for this reason alone. I want to see what Tony would do in a system that actually tries to get the ball to it's playmakers and actually plays as though they've game planned a little bit.

I honestly fear that there will be a day when people look back and ask, "What could Tony Romo have been had he not been playing in a Jason Garrett system his entire career"?

So what it really comes down to is this:

Tony Romo is a choker because he cannot overcome poor defensive efforts by consistently performing as well as Aaron Rogers and Peyton Manning at their absolute bests while playing in a stagnant offensive scheme that struggles to simply get the snap off without something going awry.

Sorry, that's a ridiculous standard to set.

 

[waving monkey]

Exactly.............funny how the same guys that had the pitchforks out for Ryan screaming "no excuses" now all of a sudden are saying "Garrett needs more time, there are just too many injuries for him to be successful".


Hypocrisy at its finest.

It has nothing to do with hypocrisy it's it's about judging qualities and learning from experience. ..
hy·poc·ri·sy
hiˈpäkrisē/
noun

1. 1.
   the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

 

[Hoofbite]

Nice to see some are preparing theirs already.

People can make up whatever reasons they want.

Heck, comfort seems to be much bigger on the owners' list than performance anyway.

Maybe Ryan wasn't their kinda guy?

And maybe Kiffin is Jerry's Geritol buddy so he stays?

It sure can't be performance related if either Kiffin or Garrett somehow stick around.

Everyone knew damn well it wasn't about performance.

Just like with Skip Peete and Ray Sherman.

My guess is they were all guilty of blasphemy by speaking bad about the anointed one.

 

[Beast_from_East]

What we we in 2010 With Romo at QB? 1-5?

A 50 year old backup QB ending up winning more games than Romo. LOL

So in the Commander game, Tashard Choice fumbles the ball and it is returned for a TD as the half expires.

Romo throws a game winning TD and its nullified by a hold on Alex Barron.

And you are counting that game as a loss for Romo?.............................Seriously dude, you are just embarrassing yourself at this point.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He got knocked out of the game. He lost.

Kitna 2010 stats (10 games)...............16 TDs..........12 Ints..............88.9 QBR

Romo 2010 stats (6 games)..............11 TDs...........7 Ints................94.9 QBR


If you want to equalize the stats to compensate for different number of games it looks like this on a per game average.

Kitna.................1.6 TDs per game...............1.2 Ints per game

Romo...............1.84 TDs per game.............1.16 Ints per game.



As you can see, Romo had a higher QB rating, a higher TD per game average, and a lower interception per game average than your boy Kitna............................dont you just hate it when facts get in a way of a good rant.

 

[Wheeltax]

Who has said this? I'm not sure I have ever seen a single poster flat out claim that every loss in "must win" games was someone else's fault.

There are certainly times where it has been Romo's fault. However, over half of his career has been accompanied by defensive scoring ranks of 20th or worse. The only good defense he has had came in 2009 when the team ranked 2nd in scoring. 5 of his 8 years where he was the primary starter, the defense has been 20th or worse.

2006: 20th (9 Wins)
2008: 20th (9 Wins)
2010: 31st (6 Wins)
2012: 24th (8 Wins)
2013: 26th (7* Wins)​

You just don't win that often, if ever, with lousy defense and this team's management has constantly saddled their QB with the task of doing what basically NO QB CAN.
Other QBs

Tom Brady: Unknown

Hasn't played with a defense who's points allowed was ranked below 17th in the NFL. Ever. Hasn't had to deal with a bad defense during his entire career. I'm actually shocked at how damn consistent the Patriots are. Five Top 5 defenses since 2001. Nine Top 10 defenses since 2001 for Tom Brady. Who knows how well the Patriots would do if they had a horrible defense. Fact remains, Brady has never even been put into such a situation. His two worst seasons:​

2002: 17th (9 Wins)
2005: 17th (10 wins)​

OT: The patriots have had a defense no worse than 17th every season since 1996. That's amazing. 3 years at 17 and the rest of the time they were better than half the league, 12 seasons in which they finished at 10th or better.​

Aaron Rogers: 1 of 2.

2 bad seasons of defensive support. 2008 and this year. 6 wins in 2008 and 6 wins in 2013. He's missed time this year but I have no real interest in going into that because the same applies for Romo. To be fair, he did have a 15-win season in 2011 when his defense was 19th. Although, throw 45 TDs and 6 INT so no doubt he earned every one of those wins. Still though, only 2 times in 6 years where his defense ranked 20th or below​

Drew Brees: 1-of-4......sorta.

I only looked at his time as a Saint, not that it matters. He clearly elevated his game under Payton so it's not really relevant to look at his time before. 4 times in 8 years he's had to try to overcome a bad defense in terms of points allowed. There's more to the story though.

2007: 25th (7 Wins)

Defense/STs: 23 Takeaways, 5 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 28 TDs, 18 INTs​

2008: 26th (8 Wins)

Defense/STs: 22 Takeaways, 3 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 34 TDs, 17 INTs​

2009: 20th (13 Wins)

Defense/STs: 39 Takeaways, 9 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 34 TDs, 11 INTs​

2012: 31st (7 Wins) - Minus Sean Payton

Defense/STs: 26 Turnovers, 5 Non-Offensive TDs
Brees: 43 TDs, 19 INTs​

2009 was their Superbowl year. For the collection of years Brees averages just under 35 TDs and just over 16 INTs. Damn good QB play and yet the Saints most productive season didn't come during Drew Brees' most productive season. It did come however, during the season when his 20th ranked defense took the ball away about 2.5 times per game and the Saints scored a ton of points while their offense was on the bench.

That's not take anything away from Brees because he's fantastic but I think it speaks to the fact that not even he can do it all by himself. 43 TDs on the year should get a hell of a lot more than 7 wins but if your defense is just atrocious, 7 wins may be all you get.​

Bottom Line:

There just aren't many QBs who win with horrible defenses. That's just a fact. The only QB who appears to be able to win with a poor defense is Peyton Manning.

1998: 29th (3 Wins, Rookie Season)
2001: 31st (6 Wins)
2003: 20th (12 Wins)
2006: 23rd (12 Wins, Superbowl)
2010: 23rd (10 Wins)
2013: 25th (11 Wins)​

That 2001 defense might be on of the worst ever which sounds weird because at 31st you might assume that someone had to be worse off that year but that's not the case. There were only 31 teams that year and Indy allowed 486 points which has been surpassed by only 3 teams since that time. That's 30 points per game back when the league average was 20. Relative to the league average, it's the worst performance since 2001 by allowing 1.5X the league average.

To put that into perspective, the 2012 New Orleans Saints allowed 454 points. They would have had to allow 93 more points on the season in order to reach 1.5X the league average of 364. Imagine if the saints had allowed an average of 6 points per game more last year. They gonna win even 7 games?

The quality of a QB can only take your team so far. If your defense can't stop anyone, you're just not going to be able to get the type of play necessary to overcome that burden.

Dallas and Denver have given up roughly the same amount of points. Denver has the extra game and 24 points surrendered. The only reason they are in the position they are is because Peyton Manning is absolutely setting teams on fire. 47 TDs with 2 games to go. He's gotta hit 50 and I hope he does even if I only want him to because I don't care for Brady as much for some reason.

You have Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers. That's just about it. And not only just those guys but you have those guys playing at their most ridiculously high level. Rogers with 45 TDs and Manning at 47 TDs and still counting. Tom Brady has never had to play with a lousy defense and Drew Brees doesn't get anymore wins than Romo does, and the only time he did his defense scored a ton and took the ball away 39 times.


And here's another factor. Brees, Rogers, Manning, and Brady all play in far superior systems. This isn't even debatable except for maybe Manning but that man is the system so it really doesn't matter who gets the OC label because Peyton is running the show. Romo plays in a system that struggles to get the ball into the hands of it's best players. He plays in a system where the play calling procedure itself is about as as sturdy as a house of cards.

And that's all he's ever played under for the past 7 years. I honestly hope Garrett is canned for this reason alone. I want to see what Tony would do in a system that actually tries to get the ball to it's playmakers and actually plays as though they've game planned a little bit.

I honestly fear that there will be a day when people look back and ask, "What could Tony Romo have been had he not been playing in a Jason Garrett system his entire career"?

So what it really comes down to is this:

Tony Romo is a choker because he cannot overcome poor defensive efforts by consistently performing as well as Aaron Rogers and Peyton Manning at their absolute bests while playing in a stagnant offensive scheme that struggles to simply get the snap off without something going awry.

Sorry, that's a ridiculous standard to set.

Great stuff