Broncos mad at Roy

[AdamJT13]

All you have to do is look at how Roy is positioning his body. He was aiming at the ground, where he knew SMith would be. Completely unnecessary.

He was aiming for Smith. What else is he supposed to aim for?

I said "more or less" spearing him, not in the traditional sense (with helmut first), but he angled his body at Smith on the ground. He drilled him with a shoulder.

Hitting a guy with your shoulder isn't "spearing" in any sense, and it's perfectly legal.

Nice theory, but the hit wasn't going to have any bearing on whether it was a catch or not.

You can't possibly believe that. A guy diving to try to make a fingertip catch is going to hold onto the ball when he gets drilled? Maybe one time in a hundred.

Had the ball came out, SMith would have had the catch already.

Huh? When the ball comes out, it's an incompletion. How difficult is this to understand? Smith was trying to make the catch, and Roy was trying to prevent it by hitting him. That's what safeties do.

And if Lynch had drilled Keyshawn in a reversal of the situation, you'd be posting pictures of Lynch claiming Key was down.

No, I wouldn't. I'm not an idiot. It's not a late hit when a player gets hit while in the process of diving for the ball at full speed when the only thing touching the ground is his forearm and MAYBE the tip of his knee. Roy's hit wasn't even close to being late.

 

[tyke1doe]

Nice theory, but the hit wasn't going to have any bearing on whether it was a catch or not. Heck, the ball was already gone. Had smith caught the ball, Roy's hit would have amounted to what it was -- unecessary piling on. Had the ball came out, SMith would have had the catch already. Totally uneccessary.

Nope. Let's assume he catches the ball and his body hits the ground. Roy Williams pulls up (assuming he can at that speed) and doesn't touch him.

You do know that Smith can get up and run with the ball, right?

No, it's a frigging exhibition. And if Lynch had drilled Keyshawn in a reversal of the situation, you'd be posting pictures of Lynch claiming Key was down.

You ought not to presume what others would do in different situations.
That's not an adequate point because it's simply speculation.

I think what's missing in your analysis is the speed of the game. It is very difficult to redirect your momentum what you have it built up. If you hit the brakes going that fast, you could tear a ligament, break an ankle or sustain some other injury. It has happened to me before.

What you can do is travel down at full speed. You can't travel upward though.

I can envision Williams seeing the receiver and seeing him making a diving effort for the ball. I can also see him hitting full speed and then as he sees the receiver reaching for the ball, going lower to try to separate him from the ball.

In addition, I think I hread a player or coach say that even though the game doesn't allow blitzing you'd better play hard because when a player takes it easy is when a player gets hurt.

Roy's not going to take that chance.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Broncos Unhappy with Cowboys' Roy Williams

Someone remind me again......why do we care?

 

[aznhalf]

Someone remind me again......why do we care?

Because its the offseason :bang2:

 

[Jay9508]

Admit it, if this had been Lynch on Keyshawn you would all be up in arms, calling for Lynch's head, it's the nature of fandom.

Personal opinion, this was an exhbition game, not a regular season rivalry game, not a playoff game, and definitely not the Superbowl, so the hit may have been a little over the top. jmo

true. the hit wasn't viscious, it wasn't like roy gave smith a close-line

 

[jimmy40]

Can you say Pete Rose?

Pete was going to slide head first but the catcher was standing in the base path, he had no choice but to go up high and he actually pulled up some.

 

[AdamJT13]

Pete was going to slide head first but the catcher was standing in the base path, he had no choice but to go up high and he actually pulled up some.

No, because it was an All-Star Game, Pete should have stopped running and let Fosse tag him out. You're not supposed to try to win in an All-Star Game, you're supposed to play nice just to make sure nobody gets an owie.

Or so I've been told.

 

[Yeagermeister]

No, because it was an All-Star Game, Pete should have stopped running and let Fosse tag him out. You're not supposed to try to win in an All-Star Game, you're supposed to play nice just to make sure nobody gets an owie.

Or so I've been told.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It's clear from the replay that Roy started going for the hit when Smith started reaching for the ball and diving after it bounced off his hands the first time. You don't have time to judge whether the receiver can reach/dive far enough to catch the ball. When he saw Smith trying to catch it, he did what he could to prevent the catch.

Adam,

Going back to your response to my post, can you post a couple of those frames as the ball was dropped by Smith?

To me that's the crux of the discussion. Forget all this discussion about where his forearm was, etc. etc., none of that matters if the ball was on the ground and Roy saw it was already dropped BEFORE Roy started diving to the turf. Because in that case there is no justifiction for hitting him. Period.

I'm not saying I believe it was a cheap shot, because I like seeing Roy intimidate WRs, and I didn't think he started dropping to the ground AFTER seeing the ball was dropped. I'm just saying that's the real point of the debate. The visual evidence would be helpful to the debate.

I'm not saying I don't believe what you said, it's just I only saw it live and haven't seen any replays.

 

[BillsFan]

Meh ..if it was Lynch nailing Terry Glenn like that you guys would be crying foul.

 

[Tio]

Meh ..if it was Lynch nailing Terry Glenn like that you guys would be crying foul.

I wouldn't, this is football...a contact sport.

 

[AdamJT13]

Going back to your response to my post, can you post a couple of those frames as the ball was dropped by Smith?

Here's the frame when Roy begins to go for the hit --

He's lowering his hips and raising up his right shoulder, ready to drive off his left leg to deliver the hit. Smith is reaching for the ball and beginning to dive for it (pushing off with his right foot).

And here's the frame when the ball first strikes the ground --

Obviously, it's too late to pull up.

 

[Hostile]

Meh ..if it was Lynch nailing Terry Glenn like that you guys would be crying foul.

Not me. I love the hitting. It's what makes football great. I don't expect my team's player to hit people and not get hit back. That's fantasy land.

 

[StevenOtero]

Broncos Unhappy with Cowboys' Roy Williams --
Sun Feb 19, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Denver Post reports some people inside the Broncos organization and close to WR Rod Smith aren't thrilled with Cowboys SS Roy Williams. In the final seconds of the Pro Bowl last Sunday, Williams came in late after a play and hammered Smith, who was on the turf after failing to catch a pass. The ball was out of the play and Smith was not in a position to protect himself. Yet, Williams slammed into Smith's back. Smith's helmet was twisted and he received a nasty welt under his eye that required stitches. After the game, Smith didn't even know who hit him. Still, many couldn't understand why Williams would make such a play, especially in the Pro Bowl. He has a reputation as an overly aggressive player; this won't help it. The NFL outlawed his "horse collar" tackles last spring. After a Broncos victory in Dallas on Thanksgiving, many Denver players complained about a horse-collar style tackle Williams made on TE Jeb Putzier that he wasn't penalized for.

All I can say is somebody call the Waaaabulance

Ahh, whoopty. CONTACT SPORT PEOPLE.... hello... Don't take out your choking in the AFC Championship on Roy....

 

[Rack]

Meh ..if it was Lynch nailing Terry Glenn like that you guys would be crying foul.

Most of us cowboys fans are Texans. And Texans understand football, Yankee. Hitting is part of the game, even when your team is the one getting hit (something a Bills fan certainly sees often).

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Here's the frame when Roy begins to go for the hit --

He's lowering his hips and raising up his right shoulder, ready to drive off his left leg to deliver the hit. Smith is reaching for the ball and beginning to dive for it (pushing off with his right foot).

And here's the frame when the ball first strikes the ground --

Obviously, it's too late to pull up.

Thanks Adam. Also look at Roy's head. He is not watching the ball, he is watching Smith. Good evidence.

Thanks for posting those.

 

[BillsFan]

Adam's snapshots don't show enough. If anyone has any video of it. I would like to see it again. You guys obviously need to see it again.

I love hitting also and I enjoy watching Williams play but I do believe he's a dirty player. I put him in the same class with Romo without the drugs and Sean Taylor without the guns.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I love hitting also and I enjoy watching Williams play but I do believe he's a dirty player. I put him in the same class with Romo without the drugs and Sean Taylor without the guns.

That will be a tough sell around here.

 

[Calicowboy]

You know what, Roy hit Rod. Hit him hard hard too. It was legal, bottom line. If it was Keyshawn or Terry getting hit by Lynch, Taylor or Santa Claus, I would have been upset. Not much I can do it about it is there? It was a legal hit. Players get injured trying to play soft, or pulling up, ask any of them.

Does Roy have the rep for being a dirty player? Apparently. What can I do about it? Nothing. If somebody doesnt like it, then dont cheer for him, or dont cheer for the Cowboys.

We have a hard-hitting aggressive safety, more controversies are bound to follow.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Have any of the people who believe it was a cheap shot ever played football before?

I mean seriously, in about half a second you can't pull up, its impossible. And Roy was looking to WIN what the heck is wrong with that. Ok lets say Smith makes the catch and Roy lets up and all of sudden "holy crap Roy sucks and can't cover."

I just really can't understand ignorant people.

But thats just me.