Broncos mad at Roy

The NFL game is violent enough without somebody taking a blindside shot at somebody when they're down in a friggin exhibition game.

Roy is one of the greats in this game and I would hope he doesn't feel the need to prove himself in this manner.

The hit might have been within the rules, but it was definitely over the top given the circumstances.
 
HanfordDixon said:
Roy hit Smith while Smith was still in the air --

What? He has a knee and a forearm on the turf. That is known as down. And when Roy intiated his hit, he did so with the intention of more or less spearing him. Or hitting him while he was down on the turf. The picture clearly shows him going for the turf slam. Now a hit of this nature would be expected in a regular season game. In the final seconds of a Pro Bowl game, one would expect a touch -- had Smith even caught the ball -- to down him would be suffucient.

You know, criticizing a Cowboy does not automatically bar you from being a fan. I don't think some of you homers really understand that.
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It's painfully obvious that you have never played football.
 
HanfordDixon said:
It's the final seconds of an exhibition game.

Why is he hitting him at all?
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Cuz that exhibition GAME they were playing is football, not chess.



What? He has a knee and a forearm on the turf. That is known as down.
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Roy was already about 3 inches from Rod when his hand and knee touched the ground. If you know a way for a player (that is moving full speed) to stop in that situation, please let me know.


The hit wasn't late and it wasn't illegal. What's the f'in problem?
 
Someone tell the Broncos, if they dont want there guys hit out there, dont send em to the Pro-bowl game. its football, I saw those hits and niether one Roy liad was late. Sure in Slow-motion, it could look late, but live, game speed, it was just football.

tell Denver to quit whinning, that was only the pro-bowl, We can put em on our Regular Season schedule again if they really wanna see Roy go to work.
 
Rack said:
Cuz that exhibition GAME they were playing is football, not chess.






Roy was already about 3 inches from Rod when his hand and knee touched the ground. If you know a way for a player (that is moving full speed) to stop in that situation, please let me know.


The hit wasn't late and it wasn't illegal. What's the f'in problem?
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Ya know, if hitting is not called for in the Pro Bowl, then let's line everyone up, with flags and just have a friendly flag football game.

It's a vacation game anyway!

By the way, these guys could still incur serious injuries in a game like that, so let's not get worked up, Bronco fan.

Or should I say, Bronco sportswriters!!!
 
Yeagermeister said:
Broncos Unhappy with Cowboys' Roy Williams --
Sun Feb 19, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Denver Post reports some people inside the Broncos organization and close to WR Rod Smith aren't thrilled with Cowboys SS Roy Williams. In the final seconds of the Pro Bowl last Sunday, Williams came in late after a play and hammered Smith, who was on the turf after failing to catch a pass. The ball was out of the play and Smith was not in a position to protect himself. Yet, Williams slammed into Smith's back. Smith's helmet was twisted and he received a nasty welt under his eye that required stitches. After the game, Smith didn't even know who hit him. Still, many couldn't understand why Williams would make such a play, especially in the Pro Bowl. He has a reputation as an overly aggressive player; this won't help it. The NFL outlawed his "horse collar" tackles last spring. After a Broncos victory in Dallas on Thanksgiving, many Denver players complained about a horse-collar style tackle Williams made on TE Jeb Putzier that he wasn't penalized for.

All I can say is somebody call the Waaaabulance :D
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tough crap.
 
Roy was already about 3 inches from Rod when his hand and knee touched the ground. If you know a way for a player (that is moving full speed) to stop in that situation, please let me know.

Look at Roy. He's angling his body to bury Smith into the turf. He knew where Smith was going to be and exactly what hit he was applying.

The hit wasn't late and it wasn't illegal. What's the f'in problem?

yes, of course an issue like this prompts the typical frat-boy "stop your crying!" response, but if we are to consider it as rational adults, then "the f'in problem," as you so eloquently stated it, is the hit was completely unecessary, accomplished nothing productive, could have seriously injured a player and makes Roy -- and by extention, the Dallas Cowboys -- look like cheap shot artists.

Other than that, there wasn't anything f'in wrong with it I guess.
 
From the moment that play took place I knew Shanny and the Broncos would complain. What makes it an issue is that if you go back a few frames from the frame in Adam's post you can clearly see the ball going off and away from Rod Smith and Roy is running toward the play. The way it looked on TV, it made you think that Roy had to have seen that Smith dropped the ball and thus he could have pulled up and not hit him, because it was already an incomplete pass.

In my opinion, you don't really know what Roy was able to see at game speed and what he couldn't see. He was trailing the play and we don't know for sure that he KNEW the ball was already dropped by Smith.

The interesting thing to me was that Paul Maguire, (who is by no means a Cowboy supporter), supported Roy and said it happened so fast and Roy couldn't pull up but Theisman was strangely silent about it all. As I recall, Theisman never said a word and it made me think he was stewing and really wanted to criticize Roy for a cheap shot.

To me it's an interesting debate. I think if some of you would be objective and imagine if it was Sean Taylor hitting Terry Glenn in the exact same sequence of events you would probably see the point of the debate.
 
HanfordDixon said:
Roy hit Smith while Smith was still in the air --

What? He has a knee and a forearm on the turf.
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Smith's forearm is on the turf, but Roy made contact at almost the exact same time Smith's knee hit the turf -- it's too close to tell if it was slightly off the ground or not. But his body still was completely off the ground. And keep in mind that he was running full speed and diving. There's a difference in hundredths of seconds between Smith being off the ground and hitting the ground, and Roy's hit essentially was timed perfectly.


And when Roy intiated his hit, he did so with the intention of more or less spearing him.
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That's ludicrous. Roy turned to the side to AVOID "spearing" Smith -- and his helmet never even made contact with Smith.


Or hitting him while he was down on the turf.
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His intention was to prevent the catch, just as was his intention when he hit Chambers earlier in the game (and knocked the ball out).

Now a hit of this nature would be expected in a regular season game. In the final seconds of a Pro Bowl game, one would expect a touch -- had Smith even caught the ball -- to down him would be suffucient.
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Yeah, "let's let the opponent catch the ball to set up the winning touchdown." What is this, Cub Scouts?
 
AdamJT13 said:
Smith's forearm is on the turf, but Roy made contact at almost the exact same time Smith's knee hit the turf -- it's too close to tell if it was slightly off the ground or not. But his body still was completely off the ground. And keep in mind that he was running full speed and diving. There's a difference in hundredths of seconds between Smith being off the ground and hitting the ground, and Roy's hit essentially was timed perfectly.




That's ludicrous. Roy turned to the side to AVOID "spearing" Smith -- and his helmet never even made contact with Smith.




His intention was to prevent the catch, just as was his intention when he hit Chambers earlier in the game (and knocked the ball out).



Yeah, "let's let the opponent catch the ball to set up the winning touchdown." What is this, Cub Scouts?
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Tiddly winks.
 
CaptainAmerica said:
In my opinion, you don't really know what Roy was able to see at game speed and what he couldn't see. He was trailing the play and we don't know for sure that he KNEW the ball was already dropped by Smith.
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It's clear from the replay that Roy started going for the hit when Smith started reaching for the ball and diving after it bounced off his hands the first time. You don't have time to judge whether the receiver can reach/dive far enough to catch the ball. When he saw Smith trying to catch it, he did what he could to prevent the catch.
 
Smith's forearm is on the turf, but Roy made contact at almost the exact same time Smith's knee hit the turf -- it's too close to tell if it was slightly off the ground or not. But his body still was completely off the ground. And keep in mind that he was running full speed and diving. There's a difference in hundredths of seconds between Smith being off the ground and hitting the ground, and Roy's hit essentially was timed perfectly.

All you have to do is look at how Roy is positioning his body. He was aiming at the ground, where he knew SMith would be. Completely unnecessary.

That's ludicrous. Roy turned to the side to AVOID "spearing" Smith -- and his helmet never even made contact with Smith.

I said "more or less" spearing him, not in the traditional sense (with helmut first), but he angled his body at Smith on the ground. He drilled him with a shoulder.

His intention was to prevent the catch, just as was his intention when he hit Chambers earlier in the game (and knocked the ball out).

Nice theory, but the hit wasn't going to have any bearing on whether it was a catch or not. Heck, the ball was already gone. Had smith caught the ball, Roy's hit would have amounted to what it was -- unecessary piling on. Had the ball came out, SMith would have had the catch already. Totally uneccessary.

Yeah, "let's let the opponent catch the ball to set up the winning touchdown." What is this, Cub Scouts?

No, it's a frigging exhibition. And if Lynch had drilled Keyshawn in a reversal of the situation, you'd be posting pictures of Lynch claiming Key was down.

You know it and I know it, so stop the homer act. It's not a crime to call what you see, even if it is one of our players.
 
I know everyone here is highly protective of Roy's position -- perhaps that's How it should be. My position is pretty much the same as it was when Roy did the now in-famous "horse-Collar" tackle on TO. I was naturally upset that our playmaker WR (at that time) was injured and his chances of making an appearance in the SuperBowl was jeapordized (while he did play in the SB, he couldn't have been 100%). Still, to this day, I felt that the hit was Legal!

That's actually still the point in this situation. While it was close to being an unnecessary show of aggression ...it was Legal! There was no penalty!

I may have missed it, but I would have been interested in hearing from Smith; and from Roy. Just to hear their spin on the controversial hit in the Probowl.
 
HanfordDixon said:
All you have to do is look at how Roy is positioning his body. He was aiming at the ground, where he knew SMith would be. Completely unnecessary.
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Was he supposed to aim away from Smith? I'm a little confused.
 
Funny thing I saw Roy at the church he attends and was on stage with the Rev. and he was asked what bothered him the most in his profession and he said "It is when I injure someone" He went on to say his intent is never to hurt a player but to let that player know he is around
 
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