Broncos sign Patrick Surtain 4 years, $96M, highest paid DB

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Very possible, but even if that is the case its nice for the team if they have those years of control as leverage when those next negotiations start. People are probably going to be disappointed after this year when Diggs goes through the same thing if he shows he is 100% healthy.

By this logic, why wouldn't the Cowboys also have leverage? Diggs is signed through 2028.

 

[Hadenough]

I love Parsons but I would have to think long and hard about $40M, Not coz he doesn't deserve it ( if the market says it he does, I'm fine with it ) but the injuries ar his position scare the heck out of me. Imagine holding bag for a player making that much money who can only give you an average 10-12 games a season after signing his contract.

Agree! That's a risk the longer he plays.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

the narrative is that the longer you wait, the more expensive it gets, and they aren't wrong. Making each of those players the highest paid at their position last year would've been cheaper than what it is this year.

The first part of your question is exactly why the players don't want to sign. It's not as if Micah and his camp don't know that the cap is rising.

Nick Bosa signed for $34m APY last year with the cap at $225m. Assuming Micah signs in 2025 and cap increases at the same amount from 2024 to 2025, we're looking at a cap of $285m. The equivalent to $34m, at that salary cap, is $42.75m.

Long story short, Micah would never sign now for anything less than that. It would be dumb to sign an extension that is going to be below market on day 1.

 

[thunderpimp91]

By this logic, why wouldn't the Cowboys also have leverage? Diggs is signed through 2028.

For sure, but I'm not saying these guys wont get new deals half way through, I'm saying they likely wont be top of the market extensions. It seems like what teams are starting to do is in line with what the Eagles have done with AJ Brown... pay them top money, reup that deal a couple years in with a raise but not quite top of position money and all of a sudden you have that player locked up for what should be their best years at a very reasonable rate. Its brilliant as long as these guys don't fall off a cliff physically.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Diggs will hold out next year

And change his social media profiles. The usual...

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

For sure, but I'm not saying these guys wont get new deals half way through, I'm saying they likely wont be top of the market extensions. It seems like what teams are starting to do is in line with what the Eagles have done with AJ Brown... pay them top money, reup that deal a couple years in with a raise but not quite top of position money and all of a sudden you have that player locked up for what should be their best years at a very reasonable rate. Its brilliant as long as these guys don't fall off a cliff physically.

You're never getting surplus value out of a player doing it that way. It's the antithesis of the Tyron Smith deal, but there's no brilliance in it.

AJ Brown was the 2nd-highest paid WR in the league, by APY, when they signed him, behind only Davante. He certainly wasn't the second-best WR in the league - it was still an overpay in that regard.

 

[thunderpimp91]

You're never getting surplus value out of a player doing it that way. It's the antithesis of the Tyron Smith deal, but there's no brilliance in it.

AJ Brown was the 2nd-highest paid WR in the league, by APY, when they signed him, behind only Davante. He certainly wasn't the second-best WR in the league - it was still an overpay in that regard.

Why not? In totality its basically a 7 year / $196M ($28M AAV) deal at that point, which allows you to get value at some point in the deal, either the back end when the AAV is under market value or early on as Philly kicks the can down the road.

I think you have a strong argument if you don't think the player will live up to the size of the deal, however thats a different argument as I'm speaking strictly about the structure of the deal and assuming that if a team goes this route they believe the player is top 5 at their position.

 

[DasTex]

Man, these figures just keep going up and up and up. Hard to really justify the salaries these days....guess us fans are the dumb ones to keep forking over the money for sports.

$60m for QB
$32m for WR
$35m for DE
$32m for DT
$28m OT
$23m CB
$22m S

 

[JBS]

by the time the deal actually kicks in they will have. (more than likely)

Doubtful , he’s way ahead of the rest of the market

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Why not? In totality its basically a 7 year / $196M ($28M AAV) deal at that point, which allows you to get value at some point in the deal, either the back end when the AAV is under market value or early on as Philly kicks the can down the road.

I think you have a strong argument if you don't think the player will live up to the size of the deal, however thats a different argument as I'm speaking strictly about the structure of the deal and assuming that if a team goes this route they believe the player is top 5 at their position.

Paying top-5 AAV for a top-5 player every year is not getting value. Getting a top-5 player at, say, the #12 AAV towards the end of the deal is when you get value - that's basically how the quarterback market works; set the market in year 1 and you've got value once new deals are signed. Dak, by AAV, is terrific value because he's making the same as Daniel Jones, for instance.

There's nuance with cap manipulation, but if you're just going by AAV, constantly paying top-of-market rates means you're paying appropriately at best, and overpaying at worse. You never have an opportunity for surplus value. Plus, as with AJ Brown, you haven't solved the issue of a massive dead cap hit year (his would be $53m in 2030, as it stands).

 

[nightrain]

Bland agent better remind him he ain’t Surtain lol.

Jerry thinks Bland is better.......he drafted him.

 

[jrumann59]

Big difference. Parsons wants to be the highest non quarterback in the NFL. CeeDee wanted a contract that made him the second highest paid receiver in the game, and finally Dak wants to be the highest paid quarterback in the league. None of the big three were going to sign early. I can’t stand this narrative that media is trying to put out there.

CeeDee has said he was not signing a deal last year what played out with him was his doing not the FO.

 

[KingCorcoran]

CeeDee has said he was not signing a deal last year what played out with him was his doing not the FO.

Why is it only the Cowboys FO players can control? CeeDee decided what he was going to do. And he did it. Dak, got paid huge, and now won’t sign unless he gets all what he wants, again. And Micah isn’t going to sign until Jerry is desperate and cash in more than any non-quarterback, ever. You’re right. It was CeeDee’s doing. Because Jerry Jones and the Cowboys front office doesn’t do anything. They wait for the player to decide what they’re going to do.

Two current head NFL head coaches have won more games than Mike McCarthy. One has won more Super Bowls. Yet over half the head coaches in the NFL are paid more than Mike McCarthy. That is Jerry Jones’ calling card. A senile, cheap, drunk, damned fool that has not been proactive since he impregnated a flight attendant nearly 30 years ago. Just like getting his team to a conference championship, apparently there’s other things he can’t do anymore.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Glad he got paid, Great player. I have him better than sauce right now. Good job Denver.

Me too, and Im a Sauce fan. Surtain is probably the best CB in the NFL since prime Champ Bailey. Him and Revis are neck and neck IMO

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Why is it only the Cowboys FO players can control?

It isn't.

 

[Proof]

Doubtful , he’s way ahead of the rest of the market

dunno. sauce alone will command a premium. but i wasn’t talking relative to his peers, moreso pct of the cap.

 

[Mikexike]

Me too, and Im a Sauce fan. Surtain is probably the best CB in the NFL since prime Champ Bailey. Him and Revis are neck and neck IMO

For me, Sauce gets away with a lot of grabbing... Surtain is pure in shut down.

 

[FVSTONE]

Hes definitely the best DB in the NFL. We'll deserved. Parsons is the the best defender in the leauge, and I think with Zimmer here it's gonna make Parsons much better. With that beign said, Dallas will regret not signing Parsons this off season.

The only thing that is going to help Parsons is if the rest of the D-Line does a better job than it did last season. Too many times Parsons was neutralized because the rest of his mates on the D-Line bothered to show up for the game. It's tough going up against double and triple teams 85% of the game.

 

[jrumann59]

Why is it only the Cowboys FO players can control? CeeDee decided what he was going to do. And he did it. Dak, got paid huge, and now won’t sign unless he gets all what he wants, again. And Micah isn’t going to sign until Jerry is desperate and cash in more than any non-quarterback, ever. You’re right. It was CeeDee’s doing. Because Jerry Jones and the Cowboys front office doesn’t do anything. They wait for the player to decide what they’re going to do.

Two current head NFL head coaches have won more games than Mike McCarthy. One has won more Super Bowls. Yet over half the head coaches in the NFL are paid more than Mike McCarthy. That is Jerry Jones’ calling card. A senile, cheap, drunk, damned fool that has not been proactive since he impregnated a flight attendant nearly 30 years ago. Just like getting his team to a conference championship, apparently there’s other things he can’t do anymore.

Hmmmm it happens everywhere, look Reddick in NY, Williams and Aiyuk in SF, Wilson when he was in Seattle, Murray in ARizona

 

[HungryLion]

Big difference. Parsons wants to be the highest non quarterback in the NFL. CeeDee wanted a contract that made him the second highest paid receiver in the game, and finally Dak wants to be the highest paid quarterback in the league. None of the big three were going to sign early. I can’t stand this narrative that media is trying to put out there.

Yes yes, it’s just a media narrative. It’s got nothing to do with FO incompetence.

That being said. I don’t think Micah’s contract is an issue right now.

Next off season…… all bets are off.