Brooking calls final Vikes' score 'classless'

[supafly]

Why have respect for a team that lays down and says "mercy, please?"

Please.

respect for your attitude.

 

[ethiostar]

This is definitely something the older crowd, myself included, feels stronger about because it was a bigger deal when we were young. I think we're watching this informal rule disappear. The under-30 crowd in here doesn't seem to care and, to be honest, these rules differ from sport to sport and over time as well so if going forward people decided not to be offended by this, then so be it. The NFL will survive.

What's interesting to me is that the opposite rule seems to exist in soccer -- it's considered an insult to play less than 100% for the full game. A number of people on this forum honestly believe that and I've got a few European co-workers who feel the exact same way. It's not that they're opposed to sportsmanship it's just that they don't think this applies. And, ever since Belicheat's 'perfect' season (ha!), a number of people in football appear to believe it as well.

That said, I'd love for this to hang in there a little bit longer.

Not necessarily true. There are a lot of things you can do to slow down the game. Now if in the process you are making the other team look foolish on purpose then that is a problem. But,if there isn't a lot of time left and teams are up by a few goals then they ease up on attacking the goal. However, if you have a clean shot at scoring and decide to dance around the goal to kill time, you will piss a lot of people of. But that holds true for American football as well.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

The under-30 crowd in here doesn't seem to care and

Im 31 and I had no problem with what the Vikings did.

The Vikings were clearly sending a message to the Cowboys and those folks in New Orleans.

You don't think the Saints look at how the Vikings thoroughly dominated one of the hottest teams in the NFC and a team that beat them during the Regular Season and know that they will have their hands full next week?

We were throwing the ball on the Eagles when up by 24 points and nobody had a problem with it.

Im with Conan on this one:

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Again, 60 minutes of Hell!!!

Ask for no mercy and give none!!!

Folks need to understand this has nothing to do with who is morally superior to who.

This is a very subjective subject and there really isn't a right or wrong answer.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So people really think the Saints will be extra intimidated because their next opponent scored a meaningless seven points inside two minutes against a team with no timeouts?

That's just crazy.

 

[ethiostar]

Im 31 and I had no problem with what the Vikings did.

The Vikings were clearly sending a message to the Cowboys and those folks in New Orleans.

You don't think the Saints look at how the Vikings thoroughly dominated one of the hottest teams in the NFC and a team that beat them during the Regular Season and know that they will have their hands full next week?

We were throwing the ball on the Eagles when up by 24 points and nobody had a problem with it.

You think they needed to score on that play to send the message?

They kicked our arses all game before that play.

 

[tyke1doe]

Im 31 and I had no problem with what the Vikings did.

The Vikings were clearly sending a message to the Cowboys and those folks in New Orleans.

You don't think the Saints look at how the Vikings thoroughly dominated one of the hottest teams in the NFC and a team that beat them during the Regular Season and know that they will have their hands full next week?

We were throwing the ball on the Eagles when up by 24 points and nobody had a problem with it.

Im with Conan on this one:

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Again, 60 minutes of Hell!!!

Ask for no mercy and give none!!!

Folks need to understand this has nothing to do with who is morally superior to who.

This is a very subjective subject and there really isn't a right or wrong answer.

I'm over 40, and while I think the Vikings could have done something differently and maybe just downed the ball, I don't think Brooking should have complained about it. But that may be just frustration on Brooking part. He's near the end of his career, and maybe this reality got the best of him.

 

[Arch Stanton]

You and ******heel need to go cuddle together somewhere...

 

[Vtwin]

Im 31 and I had no problem with what the Vikings did.

The Vikings were clearly sending a message to the Cowboys and those folks in New Orleans.

You don't think the Saints look at how the Vikings thoroughly dominated one of the hottest teams in the NFC and a team that beat them during the Regular Season and know that they will have their hands full next week?

We were throwing the ball on the Eagles when up by 24 points and nobody had a problem with it.

Im with Conan on this one:

[youtube]V30tyaXv6EI[/youtube]

Again, 60 minutes of Hell!!!

Ask for no mercy and give none!!!

Folks need to understand this has nothing to do with who is morally superior to who.

This is a very subjective subject and there really isn't a right or wrong answer.

What exactly is this message being sent?


If you look at it from the bigger picture of how our entertainment is a reflection of ourselves then it could be said there is a right and wrong answer.

We need more respect for each other in our society today. That is why it is so disheartening to see something that was once considered completely unacceptable become acceptable.

 

[HanD]

mma is physical, and brutal, its a fight to the finish, as I mentioned before the fighters NEVER let up until the ref calls the fight.

a better comparison to "running up the score" for mma IMO would be if a fighter was dominant, and starting taking down an opponent, ground and pound, then let him back up to do it over repeatedly just to prove that he could do it and embarrass the other fighter. or in boxing if a boxer started toying with a hurt opponent to showboat.

is it legal and your prerogative? sure. is it "classy" or "called for"? that's subjective. is it showing your opponent respect? no.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Not sure how the Saints will feel but I believe a team can be intimidated if they watch their next opponent totally punk and destroy the opposition versus only beating them by a few points.

I believe the Vikings are a more confident team and thus a better team by destroying the Cowboys as oppose to just barely beating them.

As I stated last night, last week I started a thread and wondered out loud if the Vikings team was going to be angry at all of the disrespect the media showed them during the week and that was very evident.

You know what bugged me about the Saints destroying us in Bill Parcells' last year?

It was watching those guys kneel on the ball in the 3rd Quarter.

 

[ethiostar]

I'm over 40, and while I think the Vikings could have done something differently and maybe just downed the ball, I don't think Brooking should have complained about it. But that may be just frustration on Brooking part. He's near the end of his career, and maybe this reality got the best of him.

Yeah, Brooking's emotions might have gotten the better of him, but in all honesty i don't know if i would have handled myself any better in the heat of the moment.

Sitting on my couch, i would rather not hear any of the players say anything about it in public. Keep your mouth shut, don't ever forget it and let it give you additional motivation to work you butt off in the off season, circle the game against the vikings and come back next season and try and destroy everyone. When you play them next year, return the favor. Physically beat them down and if you find yourself in the same situation as they did at the end of the game, kick a field goal or run the ball.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Also, for those using the "Age" argument.

Remember in 2005 when the Washington Commanders totally destroyed us at FedEx field and still had the starters in the game in the 4th Quarter?

Bill Parcells wanted that team and the starters to know what exactly can happen when you don't bring your "A" game.

Bill Parcells is as old school as it gets and I believe he would laugh if someone on his team came up to him crying about how they got the score ran up on them.

On second thought, I think he would just be disgusted and probably cut the guy whining.

 

[tyke1doe]

What exactly is this message being sent?


If you look at it from the bigger picture of how our entertainment is a reflection of ourselves then it could be said there is a right and wrong answer.

We need more respect for each other in our society today. That is why it is so disheartening to see something that was once considered completely unacceptable become acceptable.

But it's all a product of the greater culture. Twitting and text what you're going to do against another team. Talking up your team's confidence in the press, which Cowboys players do, taking swipes at the press and Tony Dungy in a "take that" attitude, it's all a part of the same culture. Teams used to limit their comments, praise their opponent and focus on their own responsibilities as players. Now it's all about me, me, me and bragging and getting back at others who predict your demise. And most teams do that, including the Cowboys.

So unless you're criticizing the Cowboys who also participate in that "one upmanship" I don't see how you can criticize just the Vikings.

Again, it's larger than just what happened there. It's a product of the culture.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yeah, Brooking's emotions might have gotten the better of him, but in all honesty i don't know if i would have handled myself any better in the heat of the moment.

Sitting on my couch, i would rather not hear any of the players say anything about it in public. Keep your mouth shut, don't ever forget it and let it give you additional motivation to work you butt off in the off season, circle the game against the vikings and come back next season and try and destroy everyone. When you play them next year, return the favor. Physically beat them down and if you find yourself in the same situation as they did at the end of the game, kick a field goal or run the ball.

I wouldn't do the same thing, even if we're up by a large score.

I'm not condoning what the Vikings did. I just don't think there's any reason to whine about it. And, maybe, they had a motive we weren't aware of. But when you lose, whining about another team running up the score comes off as a sore loser.

As for making Minnesota pay, you leave that for the playoffs. You beat them down when it counts. Regular season is just regular season. You need the win, but there's always a next game. Playoff games are final.

I do, however, expect this team to bounce back. I'm not hopeful we'll make it to the Super Bowl with Wade as a coach. But, as always, I'll be glad to be proven wrong.

 

[ethiostar]

I wouldn't do the same thing, even if we're up by a large score.

I'm not condoning what the Vikings did. I just don't think there's any reason to whine about it. And, maybe, they had a motive we weren't aware of. But when you lose, whining about another team running up the score comes off as a sore loser.

As for making Minnesota pay, you leave that for the playoffs. You beat them down when it counts. Regular season is just regular season. You need the win, but there's always a next game. Playoff games are final.

I do, however, expect this team to bounce back. I'm not hopeful we'll make it to the Super Bowl with Wade as a coach. But, as always, I'll be glad to be proven wrong.

I don't know if you misread my post or i'm not reading you right but i wasn't suggesting that the Boys run up the score in a similar fashion.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

I coach a basketball team, and yesterday we were on our way to our first win after 3 straight losses... We were up by 20 points with under a minute to go, the opposing coach "called off the dogs" by telling them not to foul and dropped them into a zone defense. One of my players caught a pass on the wing, and decided that since no one was around him that he should shoot a three pointer... (he missed)... but immediately the coach yelled out "there was no reason to shoot that ball #1."

Part of me wanted to tell the coach to shut up and sit down, we just got our a**** kicked for three straight games. Let the kids enjoy a win. But the bigger part of me knows that my guy shouldn't have shot the ball with the game in hand and the other team lying down for us to simply run out the clock.

It is really nothing more than a moral conflict. And everyone will have a different answer... But i think the bottom line is that on national TV in front of the world, it is classless and pointless... At the same time, I wished we would've seen it coming after they took a shot to the endzone on 4th down on their previous possession...

 

[superonyx]

When did it become ok to run up the score in today's society? I just don't get it?

Thats because you believe in respect. So many people just dont get it. They are so morally bankrupt that they will actually make things like respect and sportsmanship a sign of weakness or feminine in some way. Most of these people are just cyber tough guys that wouldnt practice what they preach. They are message board tough guys. They lack the confidence in themselves to listen to their voice that tells them right from wrong. So they listen to ignorant want to be tough guys on tv like dion sanders. You know the type. They are the tough guys that will make a hand gesture while driving behind you because they feel the isolation and protection of their cars. Unfortunately these people run wild on internet message boards....just look at this thread and many others like them.

A bunch of cyber nerd tough guys that wouldnt stand up to anyone like keith brookings did.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Thats because you believe in respect. So many people just dont get it. They are so morally bankrupt that they will actually make things like respect and sportsmanship a sign of weakness or feminine in some way. Most of these people are just cyber tough guys that wouldnt practice what they preach. They are message board tough guys. They lack the confidence in themselves to listen to their voice that tells them right from wrong. So they listen to ignorant want to be tough guys on tv like dion sanders. You know the type. They are the tough guys that will make a hand gesture while driving behind you because they feel the isolation and protection of their cars. Unfortunately these people run wild on internet message boards....just look at this thread and many others like them.

A bunch of cyber nerd tough guys that wouldnt stand up to anyone like keith brookings did.

You might want to look in the mirror.

And it is comments like this that gets threads lock.

Nobody is trying to act like a tough guy in here but you. Everyone else is trying to explain their point of view and most have been very respectful in doing so.

 

[supafly]

So you guys would rather they took pity on you, pulled their starters, and ran the clock out of mercy?

This wounded, pity me attitude is endemic throughout the franchise. Probably comes from wade phillips.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So you guys would rather they took pity on you, pulled their starters, and ran the clock out of mercy?

This wounded, pity me attitude is endemic throughout the franchise. Probably comes from wade phillips.

LMAO.

I think we should get an MMA bad *** to be our head coach. Then we'd never lose.