Brugler says Cowboys see Ramsey at Corner

conner01 said:
I agree. I think it means our only option is picking at 4.im not opposed to picking at 4 but it's nice to have options
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Not to mention it would suck to be out of the running for the draft's top talent by pick #4.
 
stasheroo said:
I heard the same about Byron Jones too. He showed his versatility but he had zero impact on the outcome of games.
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What? Byron Jones had a huge impact on the outcome of games. You know better than that, stash.

Defense is an 11-man unit. Any vulnerable player gets picked apart by a capable NFL QB. Jones more than held his own. This idea that you can only field a front and leave the back end flapping in the wind is absurdly naive. The same with the idea that you can just trot out 4 good DBs and field a quality defense. You need all 11.
 
stasheroo said:
You know who else is versatile? Byron Jones. A good player that can play corner or safety. Unfortunately, like this draft's top defensive players, he didn't make any game-changing plays either.

Give me a playmaker at one position who makes game-changing plays, and you can keep the versatile guys who line up all over the place and do nothing to affect the outcome of the games.
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Oh come on! He held Gronk in check for like 8 minutes last year! ;)
 
Idgit said:
What? Byron Jones had a huge impact on the outcome of games. You know better than that, stash.
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Really? Show me what he did. Show me the game-changing plays he made and how this team won because of him. It simply didn't happen. He's a fine young player learning his way in this league. Hopefully it works out and he becomes a difference maker because he sure wasn't as a rookie.

Defense is an 11-man unit. Any vulnerable player gets picked apart by a capable NFL QB. Jones more than held his own.
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If you want to think so, that's on you. But the fact is that he had an average rookie season, at best. Nothing he did helped this team win games. If you want to congratulate him for not being an embarrassment, you can lower your personal bar. But I expect more than that from a first round draft pick.

This idea that you can only field a front and leave the back end flapping in the wind is absurdly naive. The same with the idea that you can just trot out 4 good DBs and field a quality defense. You need all 11.
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Nobody's trying to say any such thing so there no reason to bring this up.
 
Idgit said:
He held him down completely, other than the pick routes, didn't he?
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Yep. At Safety. I was being sarcastic though...my point being that can't we just find a guy thats a corner. Or a safety? Not both.
 
stasheroo said:
...If you want to think so, that's on you. But the fact is that he had an average rookie season, at best. Nothing he did helped this team win games. If you want to congratulate him for not being an embarrassment, you can lower your personal bar. But I expect more than that from a first round draft pick.
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Ok. I want to think so. Because I've seen him play.

If you expected more than what you got last season, then it's your expectations that were out of whack.
 
Aven8 said:
Yep. At Safety. I was being sarcastic though...my point being that can't we just find a guy thats a corner. Or a safety? Not both.
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What's wrong with physically elite DBs who can play both?
 
SilverStarCowboy said:
He's consistently the top rated Defensive Player in the Draft. No question.

It's between Tunsil and Ramsey for #1 Overall. That's from GMs to Reporters, your Draft Sites to your self perceived Draft Guru me-me-me fans, to regular freaks even.
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I am sure there are a lot of people who have Ramsey rated as the number one defensive player on their board, but I certainly wouldn't call it a consensus. I saw all these same comments after we drafted Mo with people trying to get on board with the Mo pick. Ramsey and Mo are obviously two different players but I have seen several draftnicks who have other defenders rated higher. Daniel Jermehiah has Myles Jack # 2. Todd McShay has Bosa # 1. Scouts INc has Bosa # 1, I believe Kiper has someone rated higher, Bob Sturm is very high on him but view him much more as a top safety. I am sure there are many more examples.

I am sure you can find numerous sites who have Ramsey rated as the best defender in the class, but I have seen a lot who have other listed. That is not really important though. I just have never been a fan of using a top 10 picks on a cornerback. There have been some really good ones but for the most part they tend to leave a lot to be desired down the road. To put it another way, if the Skins, Giants and Eagles ever pick in the top 5, I assume they are going to pick a good player. Although I would be hoping they wind up picking a cornerback or maybe a guard with that top 5 pick.
 
Aven8 said:
Jack of all trades. Master of none. ;)
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Master of both, though? The fact that he's built like a safety but capable of playing CB at high level is not a negative. The guy is very likely going to be a beast in the NFL, wherever he ends up.
 
Some people wouldn't be happy if they were hung with a brand new rope. So, next thing you know Tunsil will suck too.
 
Idgit said:
Ok. I want to think so. Because I've seen him play.

If you expected more than what you got last season, then it's your expectations that were out of whack.
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Keep telling yourself that, and settling for mediocre because you can't bear the thought that anything with a star on it can be disappointing.

But if you can bear it, take a look at the game-changing plays made by all of his contemporaries - be they corner or safety - drafted before or after him and see how they actually made plays. Maybe it will enlighten you a bit.

But yeah, "my expectations are out of whack"...
 
SilverStarCowboy said:
Some people wouldn't be happy if they were hung with a brand new rope. So, next thing you know Tunsil will suck too.
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Some people like to complain and just aren't all that discriminating re: what they complain about.
 
SilverStarCowboy said:
He's a Team Leader, hope he makes it to 4. Sure Ramsey can play Corner, he is all over the field like the next Troy Polamahu. So I doubt he makes it past San Diego.
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Let's say I agree, in many ways I do, could the Cowboys be crazy enough to draft Tunsil? Could you imagine that offensive line? Not saying we should, but I would think it would be a great line for years to come.
 
Idgit said:
Ah, and you go for the cop out. When you do that, I'm just going to consider it you throwing in the towel and deciding actual discussion is over. Cheers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...okie-of-the-year-watch-jones-collins-emerging
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As expected, you'll try to gloss over the facts of the subject that I presented. All of his rookie contemporaries outperformed him in terms of game-changing plays. If anyone's "throwing in the towel" it's obviously you. At least I supported my position with facts behind it.
 
Idgit said:
Some people like to complain and just aren't all that discriminating re: what they complain about.
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While others can't put their pom-poms down long enough to deal with facts.
 
I like Byron Jones. I don't think he is ever Troy P or Ed Reed back there. But ideally he is a guy who can do a lot of things and really allows you to put him in a lot of spots on the field and not be taken advantaged of out there. I think if you found a true ball hawk safety to pair with him that it would be an excellent pairing.
 
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