Brugler says Cowboys see Ramsey at Corner

[Cowboy06]

Master of both, though? The fact that he's built like a safety but capable of playing CB at high level is not a negative. The guy is very likely going to be a beast in the NFL, wherever he ends up.

I remember people saying that of Mo Claiborne too... You just never know. Let's hope if they do draft him that he's a rock star, plenty of INTs and makes the defense better...

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Let's say I agree, in many ways I do, could the Cowboys be crazy enough to draft Tunsil? Could you imagine that offensive line? Not saying we should, but I would think it would be a great line for years to come.

Not at all, Tunsil and Ramsey are 1-2 or 2-1 anyway you slice the Draft IMhumbleO. If there was a choice between the two it would be a hard one to debate.

Simply the two top/best talents on the entire 2016 Draft board, and it looks like only one will be there for the #4 choice if we are lucky.

If it happens run to the podium and pick which ever one is left. Tunsil or Ramsey = A+ Day 1.

 

[Kaiser]

I heard the same about Byron Jones too. He showed his versatility but he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

Rookies rarely impact games, especially when taken at the end of the first round. There were four CBs taken in the first last year and Markus Peters made an impact for sure, but the other two drafted higher than Jones didn't "impact the outcome of games".

The year before five CBs went in the first and only one (at pick 14) would fall into that category. IMO its a mistake to judge a draft pick after one year, Jones has a bright future on this team.

 

[Idgit]

As expected, you'll try to gloss over the facts of the subject that I presented. All of his rookie contemporaries outperformed him in terms of game-changing plays. If anyone's "throwing in the towel" it's obviously you. At least I supported my position with facts behind it.

I didn't gloss over anything. You left the discussion when you resorted to disingenuousness as far as I'm concerned. So if you want to prop up an argument that you prefer the play of Trae Waynes to the play of Byron Jones last season, you'll have to do it with someone else.

 

[DoctorChicken]

As expected, you'll try to gloss over the facts of the subject that I presented. All of his rookie contemporaries outperformed him in terms of game-changing plays. If anyone's "throwing in the towel" it's obviously you. At least I supported my position with facts behind it.

Like who? Marcus Peters had a lot of picks, but he was beat for seven touchdowns (fourth-worst in the league) and allowed more yards in coverage (902) than every NFL corner except one.

Ronald Darby was pretty good.

So who exactly are these "game changing rookies" at CB and FS?

 

[Stash]

Rookies rarely impact games, especially when taken at the end of the first round. There were four CBs taken in the first last year and Markus Peters made an impact for sure, but the other two drafted higher than Jones didn't "impact the outcome of games".

I consider interceptions and fumble recoveries "game changing plays". Turnovers are a huge part of defense and a big reason why this team struggled so badly last year, unless you would care to disagree on that subject?

The year before five CBs went in the first and only one (at pick 14) would fall into that category. IMO its a mistake to judge a draft pick after one year, Jones has a bright future on this team.

And I hope for the same thing. My pointing out that he wasn't a difference making, game-changer isn't an indictment of the player, despite what some people might like to think. I can be disappointed by his lack of game-changing plays as a rookie and still have high hopes for the player. It's not an all-or nothing scenario.

What I am doing is expressing a legitimate concern that we're considering adding a college player who does not have many game-changing plays on his college resume to a defense than already makes too few of them. Alongside a rookie who made none last year. This team tied an all-time record for fewest turnovers in a season, I'd like to see playmakers added who can help to change that.

I hope that makes things clearer.

 

[Cowboy06]

Rookies rarely impact games, especially when taken at the end of the first round. There were four CBs taken in the first last year and Markus Peters made an impact for sure, but the other two drafted higher than Jones didn't "impact the outcome of games".

The year before five CBs went in the first and only one (at pick 14) would fall into that category. IMO its a mistake to judge a draft pick after one year, Jones has a bright future on this team.

The good thing is you don't draft for year 1, you draft for 10-15 years of productivity. But love your points.

 

[Idgit]

Rookies rarely impact games, especially when taken at the end of the first round..

Byron Jones did. He was big in the SEA and NE games, led the defense with 12 passes defensed and played every down on special teams. He also dislocated his knee in that Jets game and popped it back into place and continued playing. Because he's a tough son of a gun and a good young player.

 

[Stash]

I didn't gloss over anything. You left the discussion when you resorted to disingenuousness as far as I'm concerned. So if you want to prop up an argument that you prefer the play of Trae Waynes to the play of Byron Jones last season, you'll have to do it with someone else.

If you don't want to take part in the conversation, don't. But don't hide in the background taking pot shots at people who do.

 

[Idgit]

I remember people saying that of Mo Claiborne too... You just never know. Let's hope if they do draft him that he's a rock star, plenty of INTs and makes the defense better...

Do you? I don't. Mo's problem was always that he was a press CB who wasn't big enough to press the biggest NFL WRs. His ball skills are what made him a special player.

There may have been people who talked about him at CB, but I don't remember it. But either way, we can agree that if we do end up with Ramsey, we'll both be hoping he's a rock star. It's probably moot, because I don't think he'll be there for us, anyway.

 

[Idgit]

If you don't want to take part in the conversation, don't. But don't hide in the background taking pot shots at people who do.

Not sure what you're referring to, but you're not the only person in this discussion here, stash. I'm not in the background just because I won't entertain your arguments that I'm not capable of being objective.

 

[Stash]

Like who? Marcus Peters had a lot of picks, but he was beat for seven touchdowns (fourth-worst in the league) and allowed more yards in coverage (902) than every NFL corner except one.

How many is " a lot"? I noticed you were quick to mention the number of touchdowns he gave up, but failed to list how many interceptions he actually had. An oversight on your part?

And while we're at it, did Peters pick up any hardware from the league last year?

Ronald Darby was pretty good.

So who exactly are these "game changing rookies" at CB and FS?

Name it. Every cornerback or safety drafted in the first round who actually played made more game-changing plays than the zero that Jones had.

 

[td4mvp2k]

He's a Team Leader, hope he makes it to 4. Sure Ramsey can play Corner, he is all over the field like the next Troy Polamahu. So I doubt he makes it past San Diego.

no ? I can see him playing CB and they would be drafting him to be the #1 if they like him more then bosa tbh

 

[Stash]

Not sure what you're referring to, but you're not the only person in this discussion here, stash. I'm not in the background just because I won't entertain your arguments that I'm not capable of being objective.

You can call yourself "objective" as much as you want, doesn't make it true. "Objective" isn't rushing to attack anyone who dares to criticize the Cowboys or any of its players. In fact, that's about as biased as one can get.

 

[Cowboy06]

Do you? I don't. Mo's problem was always that he was a press CB who wasn't big enough to press the biggest NFL WRs. His ball skills are what made him a special player.

There may have been people who talked about him at CB, but I don't remember it. But either way, we can agree that if we do end up with Ramsey, we'll both be hoping he's a rock star. It's probably moot, because I don't think he'll be there for us, anyway.

Who do you take at #4 if you can't trade out?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

lol- BTW, Jalen Ramsey rates far and away much higher than Byron Jones, who has certainly proven he belongs in the NFL.

 

[Idgit]

You can call yourself "objective" as much as you want, doesn't make it true. "Objective" isn't rushing to attack anyone who dares to criticize the Cowboys or any of its players. In fact, that's about as biased as one can get.

You and I both know that I criticize poor criticisms, and that I offer criticisms of my own where I think they're appropriate. Objectively look through my recent post history if you really think otherwise. But either way, it's not germane to this thread, so let's just let it drop, ok?

 

[dbonham]

Bad idea. Put him close to the ball, facing the ball. He's Tyrann Mathieu in a Patrick Peterson suit. Let him loose

 

[MikeT22]

I want to see Ramsey in San Diego.

 

[Kaiser]

I consider interceptions and fumble recoveries "game changing plays". Turnovers are a huge part of defense and a big reason why this team struggled so badly last year, unless you would care to disagree on that subject?

I do disagree because fumble recoveries are basically luck. Jones had a very good year considering he was a rookie on a team with no offense, picks or no picks.