News: BTB: Tony Romo: The Choke Artist Myth And Elimination Vs. Playoff Hunt Games

[burmafrd]

A ring? How about just playing better in elimination/ playoff games? We don't even have that yet and he is 34 years old. Nothing is going to change. The odds of him leading his team to a super bowl is slim to none. Everyone knows that, some people just lie to themselves.

and you are so good at it you would know?

 

[jimmy40]

Thanks for quoting every time I posted today, almost had nothing to do in the bathroom.

try more fiber.

 

[CCBoy]

try more fiber.

Myself, I like Ninja Turtles, Sponge Bob, and Two Stupid Dogs...

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

There's absolutely no in between with Romo on this forum. It's pretty ridiculous.

He's either the greatest QB to ever play and does everything right, or a pathetic loser that is holding this franchise back from a super bowl.

 

[CCBoy]

There's absolutely no in between with Romo on this forum. It's pretty ridiculous.

He's either the greatest QB to ever play and does everything right, or a pathetic loser that is holding this franchise back from a super bowl.

Myself, I have to support a quarterback who plays with a punctured lung as well as puts up top ten numbers every year.

It doesn't take the Geneva Convention or Supreme Court reading, much less Executive Order concerning legality of battle in Afghanistan, so see the guy has been a lead cow for the Cowboys during his time as franchise quarterback. Blame goes out below that very position.

Exactly what defense was it that staked him to solid leads and room to actually run the ball?

 

[DFWJC]

There's absolutely no in between with Romo on this forum. It's pretty ridiculous.

He's either the greatest QB to ever play and does everything right, or a pathetic loser that is holding this franchise back from a super bowl.

I think there are few (or none) that think the former and several numbskulls that think the later.

Most just argue that he is not the main problem and with a good overall team, he theoretically could lead a team to a SB. That's FAR from saying he the greatest.

 

[DallasEast]

There's absolutely no in between with Romo on this forum. It's pretty ridiculous.

He's either the greatest QB to ever play and does everything right, or a pathetic loser that is holding this franchise back from a super bowl.

There are several posts which imply the latter but I am interested if anyone would link examples of posts expressing or implying the former in their opinion.

 

[5Stars]

Giminiote="slomoxn, post: 5597811, member: 15778"]Another post to show Romo is better than some think? Isn't it time to put this debate to rest, the only ting that will change the naysayers mind is a ring, and if he never gets one then what for the supporters? It's time to just let his play on the field speak for itself but hey what do I know? I'm on the fence about the guy, not great, very good but maybe not good enough..... Even with all of his stats.

Yeah, and if Romo never does get a ring, you, ufcrules, KJJ, Gimmietheball, Clove, PA Cowboy, Jnday, Animosity, dallasfan4lizife, randy932, etc, will all be able to finally sleep happily at night because you were right. What kind of Dallas Cowboy fans are that? smh

 

[5Stars]

It's honorable for you to try....not sure you can top it though

lol But, he half to try and be cute because he half to try cause he half nothing but hate for Roma.

 

[5Stars]

A ring? How about just playing better in elimination/ playoff games? We don't even have that yet and he is 34 years old. Nothing is going to change. The odds of him leading his team to a super bowl is slim to none. Everyone knows that, some people just lie to themselves.

That is just a troll response to the bone, and proclamations like that make you look stupid! But, you get away with it...smh

 

[Clove]

Myths about Tony Romo being a choke artist get debunked routinely, so someone created the "elimination games" stat. Here is a closer look at that "statistical proof" and a new stat for "playoff hunt" games.

I always laugh at the "statistical proof" used to define Tony Romo's ability in big games...excuse me, elimination games. When an undrafted rookie rises to the helm of theDallas Cowboys and becomes one of the Top-10 QBs in the league, you have a cornucopia of factors that are sure to create drama and inspire the anti-Cowboys nation. At every turn, memes and myths would pop up taking shots at Romo's abilities, and BTB (and other media sources) would often disprove those fallacies in short order. First, it was claimed that Romo's statistical superiority didn't matter because he couldn't get it done in the fourth-quarter. Then it became about Romo not being able to play well in the important games late in the season. But the truth shall set you free...

• Romo ranks sixth among active QBs for the most fourth-quarter comebacks - playing fewer games than anyone ahead of him on that list and those below him on the Top 10 list
• Romo ranks ninth among active QBs for the most game winning drives - again, playing fewer games than those above him on the list
• Romo has had phenomenal fourth-quarter QB ratings. This 2012 article states his career 102.1 QB rating in the fourth-quarter is the best among active QBs in the league, considerably surpassing the elite QBs like Aaron Rodgers,Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady. His 2012 rating (101.2) and 2013 rating (105.6) means he is likely still the best in the league in the fourth-quarter.
• In games in Dec. and Jan. Romo has 63.3 completion % and 50 TD vs. 29 INT

So after all these previous myths were debunked, the national media create a new statistic to show viewers why they had been badmouthing Tony Romo...the elimination game stat.

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For the sake of time, let's breeze past my adamant objections to terms like "big games" and "chokes when it matters" being used based off of this 'elimination game data set.' Because every game in a 16-game schedule holds important playoff ramifications, and matchups against division rivals are "big games," and nationally televised games are "big games," and week 15 and 16 games that must be won to keep your team in the playoff hunt are "big games," and matchups to clinch a playoff spot are "big games," and week 17 matchups for the division crown are "big games." So, let's just ignore the problem with this definition of important elimination games, which boils down to a limited data set used as empirical evidence to one of the greatest intangibles in sports.
Let's just concentrate on the limited scope of this great derogatory myth, because even that makes me laugh.



Read the entire piece here:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...-cowboys-myths-elimination-playoff-hunt-games

What makes Romo good?

 

[5Stars]

What makes Romo good?

What makes Romo good?

Nothing makes Romo look good to you and your crew. If you have to ask this question, you know nothing about the game, never have played the game, never been on a team of any sort, and just do not know what you are talking about.

Now, if Romo played all 53 positions on a football team and they don't win, you might have a point! smh

 

[CCBoy]

What makes Romo good?

Probably good genes, good coaches, and dedication...

 

[Clove]

Nothing makes Romo look good to you and your crew. If you have to ask this question, you know nothing about the game, never have played the game, never been on a team of any sort, and just do not know what you are talking about.

Now, if Romo played all 53 positions on a football team and they don't win, you might have a point! smh

Here's an example of a Cowboy fan who enjoys losing. Rather have Romo and lose, than a real QB and win.

A couple of years ago when Peyton Manning came free, I wanted us to go after him, and people wanted Romo over him. Only a ridiculous thinking fan would want a perennial loser to continue running their team over a proven winner. Denver does nothing without Manning, with Manning they go to the Super Bowl. Same coach, same defense, insert Manning, Super Bowl appearance.

We'd rather lose with Romo than win with a proven winner.

May as well keep your stats to yourself, because personally, I'd rather have a guy who throws for 200 yards a game, and his team always wins, than a guy who throws 400 yards a game, but loses.
I don't care about team sport either because this thread isn't about the team, it's about one person.

Do we say he's good or Owens/Austin/Witten/Dez, who's responsible for all those yards. How many times did we see Owens take a 3 yard pass and take it 70? Or Austin take an 8 yard in route, and take it 45? Same with Dez?

We see back up quarterbacks like Brad Johnson put up similar numbers when Romo goes down. We see Orton have a fantastic game just like Romo, yet chokes in the end. At least he only had one game to prepare, I wonder what would've happen had he had 5 games of experience in this offense? Seems like Romo's benefiting from a league who wants huge numbers on offense, and a sling it around the field Head Coach. Every year it's something with Romo fans. They protect him, fight for him. Yet the result comes out the same every year. For all the stats you people throw out, for all the arguing and name calling you throw on us, your boy still can't win. I promise you that next year after we lose again, they will have another excuse. If I had time, I'd go back in the CZ archive and pull up all the excuses you people throw out ever year for this loser.

Here are a few things that tick me off about Romo. And this is just a few, I have a thousands things I dont' like about him, but losing is my main one. But here are a few others.
Romo takes unnecessary sacks.
I watched Orton back up, look and sling it. I watch other QBs, just back up, find their target, and throw it. But when you back up, look, look, then you end of having to scramble for no reason. Just throw the damn ball. And how many games have we seen him finally start playing in the middle part of the 3rd quarter. 1st quarter, 3 and out, over and over. How many times have you seen him BS'ing at the line, causing false starts. Now we're sitting here at 3rd and 12 vs 3rd and 7. How many times have you seen him audible out of a simple fade, and audible into a horrible play in the red zone?
Romo also throws to Witten too much. We've won nothing of significance throwing to Witten that much. You get the ball to your explosive play-makers if you're going to fling it around all over the place and not run it.

So why is Romo still here? Jerry Jones is basically 5stars. He's a fan that knows nothing about football, talent, philosophy. Simply a fan trying to be a GM. Bad idea.....
Why he keeps supporting Romo makes sense to me now, because he doesn't think like a real GM. When was the last time we drafted a QB in the first round? Most of you probably weren't even born when that happened.

I'm convinced that Jerry doesn't respect the Head Coaching position or the QB position, otherwise, he'd take it more seriously. We're playing with an undrafted QB, coached by a Coach with basically on the job training, and we wonder why we're mediocre.

 

[percyhoward]

Here's an example of a Cowboy fan who enjoys losing. Rather have Romo and lose, than a real QB and win.

And there is an example of a false dichotomy.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

There are several posts which imply the latter but I am interested if anyone would link examples of posts expressing or implying the former in their opinion.

Take it with a grain of salt. It's just an exaggeration to get a point across.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

And there is an example of a false dichotomy.

And there is an example of a false dichotomy.

Clove averages about five logical fallacies per post. I have a hard time figuring out which one is his favorite. Probably fallacy of the single cause.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yeah, and if Romo never does get a ring, you, ufcrules, KJJ, Gimmietheball, Clove, PA Cowboy, Jnday, Animosity, dallasfan4lizife, randy932, etc, will all be able to finally sleep happily at night because you were right. What kind of Dallas Cowboy fans are that? smh

A select group of extremely happy ones?

 

[DFWJC]

Here's an example of a Cowboy fan who enjoys losing. Rather have Romo and lose, than a real QB and win.

A couple of years ago when Peyton Manning came free, I wanted us to go after him, and people wanted Romo over him. Only a ridiculous thinking fan would want a perennial loser to continue running their team over a proven winner. Denver does nothing without Manning, with Manning they go to the Super Bowl. Same coach, same defense, insert Manning, Super Bowl appearance.

We'd rather lose with Romo than win with a proven winner.

May as well keep your stats to yourself, because personally, I'd rather have a guy who throws for 200 yards a game, and his team always wins, than a guy who throws 400 yards a game, but loses.
I don't care about team sport either because this thread isn't about the team, it's about one person.

Do we say he's good or Owens/Austin/Witten/Dez, who's responsible for all those yards. How many times did we see Owens take a 3 yard pass and take it 70? Or Austin take an 8 yard in route, and take it 45? Same with Dez?

We see back up quarterbacks like Brad Johnson put up similar numbers when Romo goes down. We see Orton have a fantastic game just like Romo, yet chokes in the end. At least he only had one game to prepare, I wonder what would've happen had he had 5 games of experience in this offense? Seems like Romo's benefiting from a league who wants huge numbers on offense, and a sling it around the field Head Coach. Every year it's something with Romo fans. They protect him, fight for him. Yet the result comes out the same every year. For all the stats you people throw out, for all the arguing and name calling you throw on us, your boy still can't win. I promise you that next year after we lose again, they will have another excuse. If I had time, I'd go back in the CZ archive and pull up all the excuses you people throw out ever year for this loser.

Here are a few things that tick me off about Romo. And this is just a few, I have a thousands things I dont' like about him, but losing is my main one. But here are a few others.
Romo takes unnecessary sacks.
I watched Orton back up, look and sling it. I watch other QBs, just back up, find their target, and throw it. But when you back up, look, look, then you end of having to scramble for no reason. Just throw the damn ball. And how many games have we seen him finally start playing in the middle part of the 3rd quarter. 1st quarter, 3 and out, over and over. How many times have you seen him BS'ing at the line, causing false starts. Now we're sitting here at 3rd and 12 vs 3rd and 7. How many times have you seen him audible out of a simple fade, and audible into a horrible play in the red zone?
Romo also throws to Witten too much. We've won nothing of significance throwing to Witten that much. You get the ball to your explosive play-makers if you're going to fling it around all over the place and not run it.

So why is Romo still here? Jerry Jones is basically 5stars. He's a fan that knows nothing about football, talent, philosophy. Simply a fan trying to be a GM. Bad idea.....
Why he keeps supporting Romo makes sense to me now, because he doesn't think like a real GM. When was the last time we drafted a QB in the first round? Most of you probably weren't even born when that happened.

I'm convinced that Jerry doesn't respect the Head Coaching position or the QB position, otherwise, he'd take it more seriously. We're playing with an undrafted QB, coached by a Coach with basically on the job training, and we wonder why we're mediocre.

Glad to know things worked out for Manning.
The rest?
All drivel
No real in depth thought....stuff like short term subs matching numbers as if that would happen in a 16 game season. Or the no talk of the obviously horrific defense .
Etc

Silliness

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Glad to know things worked out for Manning.
The rest?
All drivel
No real in depth thought....stuff like short term subs matching numbers as if that would happen in a 16 game season. Or the no talk of the obviously horrific defense .
Etc

Silliness

Now that I think about it, the funniest Clove-ism in the whole thing is that Brad Johnson put up the same numbers as Romo. Is that the same Brad Johnson who cost us a playoff spot in guiding us to a 20 point loss to the 2-14 Rams?