News: BTB: Tony Romo: The Choke Artist Myth And Elimination Vs. Playoff Hunt Games

[CCBoy]

Now that I think about it, the funniest Clove-ism in the whole thing is that Brad Johnson put up the same numbers as Romo. Is that the same Brad Johnson who cost us a playoff spot in guiding us to a 20 point loss to the 2-14 Rams?

Does Grayhound or big dog have a meaning now?

And don't tell me you can't figure out who Joe Cocker was...

 

[ufcrules1]

Here's an example of a Cowboy fan who enjoys losing. Rather have Romo and lose, than a real QB and win.

A couple of years ago when Peyton Manning came free, I wanted us to go after him, and people wanted Romo over him. Only a ridiculous thinking fan would want a perennial loser to continue running their team over a proven winner. Denver does nothing without Manning, with Manning they go to the Super Bowl. Same coach, same defense, insert Manning, Super Bowl appearance.

We'd rather lose with Romo than win with a proven winner.

May as well keep your stats to yourself, because personally, I'd rather have a guy who throws for 200 yards a game, and his team always wins, than a guy who throws 400 yards a game, but loses.
I don't care about team sport either because this thread isn't about the team, it's about one person.

Do we say he's good or Owens/Austin/Witten/Dez, who's responsible for all those yards. How many times did we see Owens take a 3 yard pass and take it 70? Or Austin take an 8 yard in route, and take it 45? Same with Dez?

We see back up quarterbacks like Brad Johnson put up similar numbers when Romo goes down. We see Orton have a fantastic game just like Romo, yet chokes in the end. At least he only had one game to prepare, I wonder what would've happen had he had 5 games of experience in this offense? Seems like Romo's benefiting from a league who wants huge numbers on offense, and a sling it around the field Head Coach. Every year it's something with Romo fans. They protect him, fight for him. Yet the result comes out the same every year. For all the stats you people throw out, for all the arguing and name calling you throw on us, your boy still can't win. I promise you that next year after we lose again, they will have another excuse. If I had time, I'd go back in the CZ archive and pull up all the excuses you people throw out ever year for this loser.

Here are a few things that tick me off about Romo. And this is just a few, I have a thousands things I dont' like about him, but losing is my main one. But here are a few others.
Romo takes unnecessary sacks.
I watched Orton back up, look and sling it. I watch other QBs, just back up, find their target, and throw it. But when you back up, look, look, then you end of having to scramble for no reason. Just throw the damn ball. And how many games have we seen him finally start playing in the middle part of the 3rd quarter. 1st quarter, 3 and out, over and over. How many times have you seen him BS'ing at the line, causing false starts. Now we're sitting here at 3rd and 12 vs 3rd and 7. How many times have you seen him audible out of a simple fade, and audible into a horrible play in the red zone?
Romo also throws to Witten too much. We've won nothing of significance throwing to Witten that much. You get the ball to your explosive play-makers if you're going to fling it around all over the place and not run it.

So why is Romo still here? Jerry Jones is basically 5stars. He's a fan that knows nothing about football, talent, philosophy. Simply a fan trying to be a GM. Bad idea.....
Why he keeps supporting Romo makes sense to me now, because he doesn't think like a real GM. When was the last time we drafted a QB in the first round? Most of you probably weren't even born when that happened.

I'm convinced that Jerry doesn't respect the Head Coaching position or the QB position, otherwise, he'd take it more seriously. We're playing with an undrafted QB, coached by a Coach with basically on the job training, and we wonder why we're mediocre.

Great post but sadly most of what you are saying falls on deaf ears...err eyes.

 

[CCBoy]

(in an echo chamber's deep resonance) May the burn barrel buddy force...be with you...

 

[Animosity]

Here's an example of a Cowboy fan who enjoys losing. Rather have Romo and lose, than a real QB and win.

A couple of years ago when Peyton Manning came free, I wanted us to go after him, and people wanted Romo over him. Only a ridiculous thinking fan would want a perennial loser to continue running their team over a proven winner. Denver does nothing without Manning, with Manning they go to the Super Bowl. Same coach, same defense, insert Manning, Super Bowl appearance.

We'd rather lose with Romo than win with a proven winner.

May as well keep your stats to yourself, because personally, I'd rather have a guy who throws for 200 yards a game, and his team always wins, than a guy who throws 400 yards a game, but loses.
I don't care about team sport either because this thread isn't about the team, it's about one person.

Do we say he's good or Owens/Austin/Witten/Dez, who's responsible for all those yards. How many times did we see Owens take a 3 yard pass and take it 70? Or Austin take an 8 yard in route, and take it 45? Same with Dez?

We see back up quarterbacks like Brad Johnson put up similar numbers when Romo goes down. We see Orton have a fantastic game just like Romo, yet chokes in the end. At least he only had one game to prepare, I wonder what would've happen had he had 5 games of experience in this offense? Seems like Romo's benefiting from a league who wants huge numbers on offense, and a sling it around the field Head Coach. Every year it's something with Romo fans. They protect him, fight for him. Yet the result comes out the same every year. For all the stats you people throw out, for all the arguing and name calling you throw on us, your boy still can't win. I promise you that next year after we lose again, they will have another excuse. If I had time, I'd go back in the CZ archive and pull up all the excuses you people throw out ever year for this loser.

Here are a few things that tick me off about Romo. And this is just a few, I have a thousands things I dont' like about him, but losing is my main one. But here are a few others.
Romo takes unnecessary sacks.
I watched Orton back up, look and sling it. I watch other QBs, just back up, find their target, and throw it. But when you back up, look, look, then you end of having to scramble for no reason. Just throw the damn ball. And how many games have we seen him finally start playing in the middle part of the 3rd quarter. 1st quarter, 3 and out, over and over. How many times have you seen him BS'ing at the line, causing false starts. Now we're sitting here at 3rd and 12 vs 3rd and 7. How many times have you seen him audible out of a simple fade, and audible into a horrible play in the red zone?
Romo also throws to Witten too much. We've won nothing of significance throwing to Witten that much. You get the ball to your explosive play-makers if you're going to fling it around all over the place and not run it.

So why is Romo still here? Jerry Jones is basically 5stars. He's a fan that knows nothing about football, talent, philosophy. Simply a fan trying to be a GM. Bad idea.....
Why he keeps supporting Romo makes sense to me now, because he doesn't think like a real GM. When was the last time we drafted a QB in the first round? Most of you probably weren't even born when that happened.

I'm convinced that Jerry doesn't respect the Head Coaching position or the QB position, otherwise, he'd take it more seriously. We're playing with an undrafted QB, coached by a Coach with basically on the job training, and we wonder why we're mediocre.

Great post. Unfortunately this will be ignored. We also had a chance to potentially draft a superstar in Johnny Manziel. This is going to come back to bite us if Manziel becomes a star and WHEN Romo retires in 2 years with one playoff win in a 10+ year career.

 

[DanteEXT]

Now that I think about it, the funniest Clove-ism in the whole thing is that Brad Johnson put up the same numbers as Romo. Is that the same Brad Johnson who cost us a playoff spot in guiding us to a 20 point loss to the 2-14 Rams?

I was there for that game......

 

[DanteEXT]

How many times did we see Owens take a 3 yard pass and take it 70? Or Austin take an 8 yard in route, and take it 45? Same with Dez?

I don't know.... how many times exactly did that happen?

We see back up quarterbacks like Brad Johnson put up similar numbers when Romo goes down.

LOL!

We see Orton have a fantastic game just like Romo, yet chokes in the end.

I wouldn't call it fantastic.

Romo takes unnecessary sacks.

Do they track that?

I watched Orton back up, look and sling it. I watch other QBs, just back up, find their target, and throw it.

And I've seen Romo do the same thing. What's your point?

How many times have you seen him BS'ing at the line, causing false starts.

Tell us oh master on the knowledge how many times exactly that Romo's "BS'ing at the line" directly caused a false start. Speculation answers will not be accepted.

How many times have you seen him audible out of a simple fade, and audible into a horrible play in the red zone?

See previous question. No speculation. Proof. Otherwise baseless assertion.

Romo also throws to Witten too much.

Since 2009, by my calculation Witten has been the target of 515 of Romo's 2468 pass attempts. Or 21%.
Funny thing, you think Orton had a fantastic game. Of his 46 pass attempts 16 of them were directed to Witten. That's 35%. Heck Kitna threw to Witten 28% of the time.

So why is Romo still here? Jerry Jones is basically 5stars. He's a fan that knows nothing about football, talent, philosophy.

And you know everything I suspect? Legend in your own mind?

I'm convinced that Jerry doesn't respect the Head Coaching position or the QB position, otherwise, he'd take it more seriously. We're playing with an undrafted QB, coached by a Coach with basically on the job training, and we wonder why we're mediocre.

I wonder why you keep pissing and moaning about the same stuff.

 

[TheDude]

Here's an example of a Cowboy fan who enjoys losing. Rather have Romo and lose, than a real QB and win.

Here me out, as a Romo supporter, you make some points here that I think make for good debate topics, but those get marginalized in some other sensational claims.

A couple of years ago when Peyton Manning came free, I wanted us to go after him, and people wanted Romo over him. Only a ridiculous thinking fan would want a perennial loser to continue running their team over a proven winner. Denver does nothing without Manning, with Manning they go to the Super Bowl. Same coach, same defense, insert Manning, Super Bowl appearance.

We'd rather lose with Romo than win with a proven winner.

Manning stated he wasn't going to the NFC East where his brother played. Therefore, I can't say with any certainty that Jerry didn't inquire. IN fact, knowing Jerry, I would be surprised if he didn't. That frenzy is what substitutes for his viagra.

May as well keep your stats to yourself, because personally, I'd rather have a guy who throws for 200 yards a game, and his team always wins, than a guy who throws 400 yards a game, but loses.
I don't care about team sport either because this thread isn't about the team, it's about one person.

By no means will I extrapolate the following to a "undebateable issues" but it is interesting. The largest blowouts (>7pt) in the last 3 years all had the following:
2011 - (Supposed to be the Garrett's first and worst team)
Rams :34-7 - Romo 166 yards - 2TD 0 INts
Sea: 23-13 - Romo 279yds - 2TD 0Ints
Buffalo 45-7 - Romo 270 yards - (23/26) 3 Tds and 0 Ints
TB : 31-15 - Romo 249 - 3TDs 0INts

2012
Philly: 38-23 Romo 209 2Tds 0INts
Not greater than 7 but next 2 biggest wins. (2012 was abysmal for the offense and I place slow starts more on Garrett and coaching prep - 2nd half was performance was stronger when abandoning the Garrett playbook and winging it)
NY: 24-17 - Romo 22/29 - 307yds 3TDs, 1Int (can make a case it was on the rookie Receiver route)
Philly 38-33: Romo 22/27 - 3TD 0Int

2013:
Rams 31-7. Romo 210 2TDs 0 Ints
Wash 31-16 Romo 170 1TD 1Int
Philly: 17-3 : Romo 317 1TD 2Int
Oak 31-24: Romo 225 1TD 0Int


First, If you notice, outside the 38-33 Philly game in 2012, the highest opponent point total was 24 (oak 2013, Philly 2012). The rest the opponent scored between 3-17 points. These games typify that if you can get up on an opponent you should be able to make them one dimensional and that helps your defense. Overall, if you get an average defensive perfomance (<20-23 pts), Romo seems to be just fine.

Looking at 2013. The defense averaged 27 points per game, which is abysmal. However, if you remove the 3 point Philly and 7 point Ram game (which were solid wins as expected) the defense gave up 31.15pts per game. Its hard for me to lay blame on Romo for going 6-7 when he HAS to score >30 points. Remove the Washington game (16 points) and that total jumps to 31.23pts. The next lowest opponent score was 23pts.

Now did he have bad games in Chicago and NO, yes, but every QB will have a bad game or 2 per year. When Romo had one, rarely did anyone else compensate

Do we say he's good or Owens/Austin/Witten/Dez, who's responsible for all those yards. How many times did we see Owens take a 3 yard pass and take it 70? Or Austin take an 8 yard in route, and take it 45? Same with Dez?

We see back up quarterbacks like Brad Johnson put up similar numbers when Romo goes down. We see Orton have a fantastic game just like Romo, yet chokes in the end. At least he only had one game to prepare, I wonder what would've happen had he had 5 games of experience in this offense? Seems like Romo's benefiting from a league who wants huge numbers on offense, and a sling it around the field Head Coach. Every year it's something with Romo fans. They protect him, fight for him. Yet the result comes out the same every year. For all the stats you people throw out, for all the arguing and name calling you throw on us, your boy still can't win. I promise you that next year after we lose again, they will have another excuse. If I had time, I'd go back in the CZ archive and pull up all the excuses you people throw out ever year for this loser.

The Brad Johnson quote did you no favors (I blame Garrett for this turd as everyone in preseason knew he couldnt get the ball further than 5 yards down field) . His 3 game line

Rams 34-14 Loss - 234 yards, 1TD, 3INTs
TB 13-9 Win - 122 yards 19-33, 1TD 0Ints
NYG 25-14 Loss - Johnson 5/11 71 yards 0TD, 2INTs - Bollinger 9-16 63 yards 1TD 1INT

Here are a few things that tick me off about Romo. And this is just a few, I have a thousands things I dont' like about him, but losing is my main one. But here are a few others.
Romo takes unnecessary sacks.
I watched Orton back up, look and sling it. I watch other QBs, just back up, find their target, and throw it. But when you back up, look, look, then you end of having to scramble for no reason. Just throw the damn ball. And how many games have we seen him finally start playing in the middle part of the 3rd quarter. 1st quarter, 3 and out, over and over. How many times have you seen him BS'ing at the line, causing false starts. Now we're sitting here at 3rd and 12 vs 3rd and 7. How many times have you seen him audible out of a simple fade, and audible into a horrible play in the red zone?

There may be some valid points here. It doesn't go unnoticed that Romo never just heaves the ball OB. He is in the Farve/Young mode where he always wants to make a play. For this style it is what it is and usually it is to the betterment if the team is average..

I do think the Parcells effect has diminished and Tony has become "on par" (if not higher) with Garrett as far as pecking order to Jones.

Romo also throws to Witten too much. We've won nothing of significance throwing to Witten that much. You get the ball to your explosive play-makers if you're going to fling it around all over the place and not run it.

No argument about the amount. Witten is consistent and a great player, but not dynamic. You have to get the ball into the hands of speed more often than not. But this can't be all on Romo. If coaches think its excessive, they can change it

So why is Romo still here? Jerry Jones is basically 5stars. He's a fan that knows nothing about football, talent, philosophy. Simply a fan trying to be a GM. Bad idea.....
Why he keeps supporting Romo makes sense to me now, because he doesn't think like a real GM. When was the last time we drafted a QB in the first round? Most of you probably weren't even born when that happened.
I'm convinced that Jerry doesn't respect the Head Coaching position or the QB position, otherwise, he'd take it more seriously. We're playing with an undrafted QB, coached by a Coach with basically on the job training, and we wonder why we're mediocre

I will agree that Jerry devalues the QB position based on the Carter, Hutch, Henson, Stoerner, Leaf. He hit a full boat on the river with a UDFA Romo and I do fear that this fed Jerry's perception as "see told you" vs "can you believe I actually got a QB who can score over 13 points from an UDFA pool?"

If someone could point to the slow starts, 3 and outs, slow tempo being on ROmo, I may start to change my view. THe opposite seems to hold though. We have a game plan, it fails, we get behind, Romo throws caution to the wind from necessity and makes it a game.

He has flaws as all QBs do, but he is getting no help from the defense or his coaching - IMO

 

[CCBoy]

Marcus Mosher @Marcus_Mosher
Via @FO_ScottKacsmar, Tony Romo has 5 career losses w/ missed clutch FGs. Other QBs: Montana- 4 Rodgers - 4 Favre - 3 Ben - 3 Eli - 2

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[CCBoy]

 

[CCBoy]

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[Eddie]

I think bad inconsistent coaching is the biggest problem

I think ownership is the problem.

 

[CCBoy]

I think ownership is the problem.

There you go, give up thinking for Lent...

 

[percyhoward]

That's a strange stat that needs some adjustment for era (maybe top 10 in TD instead of 10+ TD) but the point they were trying to get across is a good one.

 

[Nightman]

I've seen nothing to debunk anything I've witnessed with my own eyes. Romo is an above average QB with some big wins and comebacks, but that also made some crucial mistakes in big losses. It is what it is until he wins in January.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I've seen nothing to debunk anything I've witnessed with my own eyes. Romo is an above average QB with some big wins and comebacks, but that also made some crucial mistakes in big losses. It is what it is until he wins in January.

That is fair and reasonable post except that-- the Dallas Cowboys have to win in January and THAT BK is where all the nonsense is generated around here.

 

[junk]

I think ownership is the problem.

Ownership/FO is the real issue. Everything else is just a symptom of that.

You could win with Romo given the right situation/coaching

 

[Wood]

some of you guys are taking this Tony Romo thing way to serious. Its entertainment and ultimately doesn't affect your life or how your life will turn out. Let it play out...if he is savior as some think he is...it will show. If he is ultimate choke that some think...that will be revealed too. But stop with this full court press on trying to convince everyone else to think like you. I would hate to be in the heads of some of you.

 

[ufcrules1]

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Can you do first quarter statistics like this?

 

[CCBoy]

Can you do first quarter statistics like this?

Why would you want to do that? When the Cowboys scored a lot in the first quarters this past season...

 

[ufcrules1]

That is fair and reasonable post except that-- the Dallas Cowboys have to win in January and THAT BK is where all the nonsense is generated around here.

Yes, but he is part of the team and touches the ball on every offensive play. He needs to step his game up in the elimination/playoffs. I think we can both agree on that.