Bucky Brooks: "It's a myth that elite QBs single-handedly carry their teams to wins"

[McKDaddy]

Both. The salary cap has proven as much for the past 30 years. A SB winning capable team needs both.

No, you said they would be a 4 win team. That has nothing do with the SB.

Do we have the overall roster talent that a number of QB's could have a winning record with or not?

 

[Redsfan_83]

Yes.

dare I ask, who? lol

 

[kskboys]

No, you said they would be a 4 win team. That has nothing do with the SB.

Do we have the overall roster talent that a number of QB's could have a winning record with or not?

Top 10 type QBs, sure.

 

[CATCH17]

That’s nearly everyone. You get rid of Josh Allen they may not win a game. Ravens might win 4…if you replace Mahomes with Josh Allen they’d win more than 4 games.

Ok..

You put Dak on last years Chiefs teams and they’re struggling to make the playoffs.

 

[McKDaddy]

Ok..

You put Dak on last years Chiefs teams and they’re struggling to make the playoffs.

playoffs? they are dead & buried at half way point of season.

 

[kskboys]

dare I ask, who? lol

Joe Montana.


I know, I know, just throwing jack around here.

However, there are possibles. Burrow(if he can stay on the frickin field!!!), Allen, Herbert, Rodgers if he's still got it, maybe Stroud though I need to see more.

Every team needs a top 10 QB to win a super bowl, though there are a few exceptions such as Eli and Flacco.

For some odd reason, no one appeared to even notice that KC went D and that D went hog wild. Held playoff teams to 15 PPG, and those teams had averaged 28 PPG during the season. KC had the 2nd ranked D in the NFL last year. Held BALT to 10 pts.

 

[McKDaddy]

Top 10 type QBs, sure.

Disagree. I think not top 10 QB's would have little problem getting winning record these past few years.

 

[kskboys]

Disagree. I think not top 10 QB's would have little problem getting winning record these past few years.

Top 12?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Top 12?

Probably a lot more than that if we are talking about simply having a winning record. Does Baker Mayfield get this team to 9 wins? I'd argue that Dallas had a better team top to bottom than Tampa had last year.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No, you said they would be a 4 win team. That has nothing do with the SB.

Do we have the overall roster talent that a number of QB's could have a winning record with or not?

We have too many holes at key positions.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ok..

You put Dak on last years Chiefs teams and they’re struggling to make the playoffs.

Maybe. I can’t make a statement like that confidently because I just saw him win 12 games with a Jerry Jones led front office that can’t stop the run or run the football.

But either way if you’re suggesting Dak isn’t Pat Mahomes…I agree.

 

[McKDaddy]

We have too many holes at key positions.

to win regular season games with any QB who isn't Dak?

 

[America's Cowboy]

to win regular season games with any QB who isn't Dak?

How many games do you truly believe this current team could win this year without Dak?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You put Dak on last years Chiefs teams and they’re struggling to make the playoffs

I am not sure about this coz of Andy Reid, the same with Kyle Shanahan. Both are the best offensive minds in the league who can hide many issues of a QB.

 

[Chasing6]

You seem to be moving away from the original context of discussion which was whether Dak's 4 years $40M per year (APY) was better than Mahomes at 10 years $45M per year. I'm sure they will redo the deal but it's better than the Dak deal by a long shot. Plus, all those SB trophies, so it already paid off nicely. He's probably got another 1 or 2 on the way.

How can you determine the future if Mahomes contract when it has not happened yet? Just because he signed a 10 year deal , does not mean he will play it all out without it being redone.

All we can compare is the original contract and what has currently been paid out.

$40M vs $45M. $40M is better.

Plus Mahomes has $120M over 2 void years in 2032 and 2033.

 

[McKDaddy]

How many games do you truly believe this current team could win this year without Dak?

Answer my question first. It's a simple question.

 

[Redsfan_83]

Joe Montana.


I know, I know, just throwing jack around here.

However, there are possibles. Burrow(if he can stay on the frickin field!!!), Allen, Herbert, Rodgers if he's still got it, maybe Stroud though I need to see more.

Every team needs a top 10 QB to win a super bowl, though there are a few exceptions such as Eli and Flacco.

For some odd reason, no one appeared to even notice that KC went D and that D went hog wild. Held playoff teams to 15 PPG, and those teams had averaged 28 PPG during the season. KC had the 2nd ranked D in the NFL last year. Held BALT to 10 pts.

Gotcha, I was thinking of more current QB's but for sure others in the past including our own. No doubt the KC D played a much bigger factor than they get credit for, but as for having any other QB behind centre of the current class, there is nobody else right now...

 

[Chasing6]

You seem to be moving away from the original context of discussion which was whether Dak's 4 years $40M per year (APY) was better than Mahomes at 10 years $45M per year. I'm sure they will redo the deal but it's better than the Dak deal by a long shot. Plus, all those SB trophies, so it already paid off nicely. He's probably got another 1 or 2 on the way.

Dak's contract is over after this year and he got paid $160M over 4 years, regardless how GM Jethro allocated it.

Mahomes contract is not over. It will be redone prior to year 10. We already now it will average at a minimum of $45M.

In years 2025, 2026 and 2027 Mahomes will be the highest paid QB without a question for those years and become a challenge for their cap unless they restructure it.

 

[Sydla]

You didn’t watch the Cowboys defense against GB obviously.

He did.

He also saw Prescott go like 5-11 in the first half with 55 yards passing and a couple interceptions before he finally led us on a TD drive right before the end of the half.

The QB was as much a problem as the defense that game. Let's revisit that game:

- GB scores opening drive.

- Dallas gets ball back down 7-0. Dak goes 1-2 for 0 yards. Dallas punts.

- Defense holds GB, GB punts

- Dak misses first pass then throws that bad pick.

- GB scores. 14-0

- Down two TDs but still a lot of time, Dallas needs a drive. Dak goes 1-2 for 22 yards and takes a bad sack. Gotta punt.

After that, the defense let up a TD and then came Dak's second pick resulting in a TD.

 

[Chasing6]

Dak threw two interceptions, including a pick 6 and the other that led to a free GB TD. Yes, the defense was porous, but if he was a little more careful with the football then the halftime score could have just as easily been 13-7 or 16-10 instead of 27-0.

The offense’s performance always heavily impacts the defense’s performance, and vice versa.

Careful with the football? They should have been careful with the End Zone.