Byron Jones: Are we concerned yet?

[Ken]

So i went back and watched the TV broadcast and focused and tallied up Byron Jones' game.

It broke down to the following:

25 Plays at FS
10 Plays head up on the TE of which, 5 of those were blanket coverage and he had 1 pb this is very clearly what he does the best.
9 plays where he was not on the field. Most of these occured right after the ODB play where he was late and also it looks like he messed up on the Donnell TD and then didn't see the field much for the remainder of the half, only coming in to cover the TE. On the Donnell TD, it looks like possibly a Cover two where he came up like a Rover and Donnell got behind him and certainly the LB.
7 plays where I cannot tell if he was on or not but at least 3 or 4 of those there was a good possibility he was on the bench.
1 play covering the slot.

One other note, I would credit him with two tackles and an assist on the day, not the 1 officially he was credited with.

It seems like, after watching the game again, he is not playing well at the FS spot and excels in the man to man on the TE, which we all knew.

 

[Ken]

Slot isn't a singular location on the field, and the Giants play Donnell in the slot often.

There's really no point in arguing with someone who's only willing or able to look at boxscores, so I'll pass.

LOL. No, please see my last post. And cover the TE head up is not a slot position.

I am not going to argue with someone who doesn't understand that simple football 101 fact.

 

[Ken]

Holding Gronk to his worst non injury influenced output in four years = impact.
Shutting Jordan Reed down = impact.
Shutting Donnell out Sunday = impact.
Tackles = stats.

Jones is a swiss army knife that teams are all salivating for. The ability to match up with multiple spread looks is extremely valuable in today's NFL. I don't want to discredit your opinion because I don't think you're one of the many blind posters that have flooded the board, but Jones is playing his role to a T.

After going back and watching the game again, I have acknowledged that he is damn good at covering TEs but is underwhelming at playing the traditional FS position and even gave up a big play and possibly the Donnell TD.

Having a guy who can take TEs out is a great skill though!

 

[ConceptCoop]

It seems like, after watching the game again, he is not playing well at the FS spot...

What did you see him do poorly at FS?

 

[ConceptCoop]

After going back and watching the game again, I have acknowledged that he is damn good at covering TEs but is underwhelming at playing the traditional FS position and even gave up a big play and possibly the Donnell TD.

Having a guy who can take TEs out is a great skill though!

The big play to ODB was on Scandrick. The TD to Donnell was just a well designed and well executed play and Wilber couldn't stay with him. Can't put that on Byron. It's pick your poison and of course Bryon is going to pay extra attention to ODB.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It seems like, after watching the game again, he is not playing well at the FS spot and excels in the man to man on the TE, which we all knew.

Well, that's it. It's over.

 

[The Natural]

Based on the posts that I'm reading it seems like Byron Jones is the kind of player that would look better on an elite defense. Having a safety on an elite defense that shuts down TE's is a great luxury to have, the problem is this defense requires more from their safeties than any player on the roster can provide.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Based on the posts that I'm reading it seems like Byron Jones is the kind of player that would look better on an elite defense. Having a safety on an elite defense that shuts down TE's is a great luxury to have, the problem is this defense requires more from their safeties than any player on the roster can provide.

People wanted a safety that could shut down elite tight ends for years. Hint: there's really none of those guys in the league and the closest there is y'all want to run out of town.

 

[Floatyworm]

This pick will always go down as the "should have been Malcom Brown pick"

After watching us get gashed this last Sunday....Can't tell me Brown wouldn't have helped.

What does that say about our top pick being on the sideline as JJ Wilcox had to make the tackles our LBers couldn't?

 

[ConceptCoop]

Based on the posts that I'm reading it seems like Byron Jones is the kind of player that would look better on an elite defense. Having a safety on an elite defense that shuts down TE's is a great luxury to have, the problem is this defense requires more from their safeties than any player on the roster can provide.

What was asked of Byron that he didn't deliver on Sunday? We all want Tyrann Mathieu or Eric Berry back there, but they don't go on trees. For the rest of the league, simply having a good safety is plenty.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as beating a dead horse, I just haven't seen anyone really articulate their concerns outside of the boxscore.

 

[ConceptCoop]

This pick will always go down as the "should have been Malcom Brown pick

The odds of getting the best player in the draft that late are next to 0. Tyron Smith is one of the best picks this franchise has had made in the last 20 years, but we still grabbed him before JJ Watt. I don't see the point in bashing the pick because of that.

What does that say about our top pick being on the sideline as JJ Wilcox had to make the tackles our LBers couldn't?

Jones started over Wilcox, finished over Wilcox, and played a lot more snaps than Wilcox. The staff rotated everyone but Lee and Carr. Can we please stop pretending that he was benched or is in a rotation with JJ Wilcox?

 

[Crad|e]

I've been holding back my judgement for Byron Jones until last week. I seen too much to keep quiet any longer. He was from a weak division in college, often times getting burned in what I thought was pretty easy passing schemes. He jumped 20 feet and cashed in on that alone. Honestly scouts had him going in the 4th to 6th rounds before that jump.

Now this, Wilcox beat out Jones for a starting safety spot. Put a fork in him, he's done.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Now this, Wilcox beat out Jones for a starting safety spot. Put a fork in him, he's done.

Do you people even watch the games? Jones started, finished, and had a lot more snaps than Wilcox. They rotated everyone but Carr and Lee last week.

What "easy passing schemes" did you watch him get burned by while you were watching all those Uconn games?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Do you people even watch the games? Jones started, finished, and had a lot more snaps than Wilcox. They rotated everyone but Carr and Lee last week.

What "easy passing schemes" did you watch him get burned by while you were watching all those Uconn games?

No. No they do not.

 

[mattjames2010]

Didn't like him at CB and I haven't liked what I've seen of him at safety. Nothing I heard about him in camp, nothing I saw from him in preseason (Was juked out of his shoes against Miami TE), and I certainly didn't like him against the Giants.

Not a first round talent.

 

[Crad|e]

Idk I'm not a coach but as a former (still kinda current out w injury) player I can look at him and know 2 things.

1.) He doesn't know the playbook
2.) He's scared of getting hit.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Idk I'm not a coach but as a former (still kinda current out w injury) player I can look at him and know 2 things.

1.) He doesn't know the playbook
2.) He's scared of getting hit.

 

[CapnB]

He's playing solid. I'm sure it's been mentioned in the other post. And honestly, I'm way to lazy to go through 8 pages to look and see if it's been said for sure. So here it goes.

He played really, really well last year for a rookie that was asked to play 4 different positions. Think about that for a second. He learned how to play 4 different positions in his rookie year. And he played those positions well.

Now he's moved to safety full-time and played one game in his second season and didn't come up with a pick. Because in all honesty, for those complaining about him, that's what yall are judging him on. Yet he still blanketed the TE, didn't have many missed tackles (Unlike JJ Misstacklecox) Played all but 10 snaps (roughly) and people are wondering if he's a bust or not. I think some people read that insane article over at the landry hat about BJ being a bust possibly.

BJ will be fine, and a couple of INT's will put to rest all this nonsense some of yall are flapping your gums about him being a bust.

 

[haleyrules]

Lets talk again after he has had some time to learn the FS position. FS is one of the toughest jobs on the defense. It takes time. I have read where Jones is bright...thats what it takes to learn the role of FS.

 

[The Natural]

People wanted a safety that could shut down elite tight ends for years. Hint: there's really none of those guys in the league and the closest there is y'all want to run out of town.

Lol, what people?