Byron Jones: Are we concerned yet?

[Zman5]

Yes
Yes
Not that I could tell, but he made 1 tackle .


I love the vitriol because I am asking a question of a first rounder who hasn't made a play in his career.

Which play do you think he was beaten deep or had bad angles?

 

[Section446]

I'd agree with this. I think he's going to be a good starter in the league as a flex-FS. He's not Ed Reed or even Tyrann Mathieu, but that doesn't make him a bust.

But, unfortunately, that's what we've been missing and are still missing. If we just need a flex guy, Heath could probably step in and take care of that role.

GRANTED! You could argue that it's hard to for anyone in the secondary to do their jobs with such a poor front-7.

 

[ConceptCoop]

But, unfortunately, that's what we've been missing and are still missing. If we just need a flex guy, Heath could probably step in and take care of that role.

GRANTED! You could argue that it's hard to for anyone in the secondary to do their jobs with such a poor front-7.

Yeah; unfortunately they're hard to come by. I still think Jones has and will continue to justify the investment despite that. Guys like Gronk, Kelce, Reed and Eifert are going to keep coming, and I think Jones has a unique potential to defend them. We'll see. I certainly do agree with you: he's not likely to be a true game changer. But I do think he could eventually have a Terrence Newman level impact; in a different way, of course.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Lol this is such a depressing post to read. How the hell does this team replace all of those negatives in the secondary while also addressing the dline? It's going to take 3 years to rebuild this defense.

Carr seems like he's checked out a la Newman. Same body language, he was laughing/smiling after the Cruz TD. He never brought that competitive fire he had in KC.

You can do it fairly easily. You can get 1 more safety that is versatile to team with Jones. Then you get a bunch of physical zone corners which usually come cheap or later in the draft because nobody puts high stock in the Sterling Moore types that can play zone and tackle, but run 4.6+ 40 times (and that's being generous with Moore).

I think Marinelli wants the big zone corners, but he won't budge on his agenda with the safeties and that throws everything off.

This is what the Steelers and Patriots do. They put their emphasis on the safeties (and Belichick is the best coach of safeties) and they look for zone corners and make them look better than they are. Then those corners go off to green pastures and get exposed playing in man defense or without the safety help.

It would also help if this defense blitzed more than once every presidential administration.





YR

 

[nobody]

Yes
Yes
Not that I could tell, but he made 1 tackle .


I love the vitriol because I am asking a question of a first rounder who hasn't made a play in his career.

He is ROTATING with Wilcox.

Our first round pick rotates and makes 1 tackle in a game.

Not being ridiculous here...I am concerned.

Several positions take a few seasons to properly learn. Safety is one of them. He didn't even have a full season at the position since he split time last year. Expecting him to be amazing right now is unrealistic and displays a lack of understanding of the difficulty of learning the position, first rounder or not.

For how much he's been at the position, he's pretty much on target for where he should be. Does he make mistakes? Sure, but he's still a rookie at the spot for all intents and purposes. He did the job he was asked to do fairly well. It's like asking a rookie QB to play like a HOF veteran in his first season. It's not rational.

 

[CATCH17]

I think the 3 year rule really applies to a guy like this.

More athlete than anything... Didn't really have a position in college or his rookie year.


He's so athletic and smart that I can't see him not being really good other than the fact that once you put a Cowboy uniform on your DB skills diminish.

 

[Zordon]

You can do it fairly easily. You can get 1 more safety that is versatile to team with Jones. Then you get a bunch of physical zone corners which usually come cheap or later in the draft because nobody puts high stock in the Sterling Moore types that can play zone and tackle, but run 4.6+ 40 times (and that's being generous with Moore).

I think Marinelli wants the big zone corners, but he won't budge on his agenda with the safeties and that throws everything off.

This is what the Steelers and Patriots do. They put their emphasis on the safeties (and Belichick is the best coach of safeties) and they look for zone corners and make them look better than they are. Then those corners go off to green pastures and get exposed playing in man defense or without the safety help.

It would also help if this defense blitzed more than once every presidential administration.





YR

Can you email Jerry?

 

[Ken]

Which play do you think he was beaten deep or had bad angles?

Both on ODBs long catch.

 

[Ken]

Several positions take a few seasons to properly learn. Safety is one of them. He didn't even have a full season at the position since he split time last year. Expecting him to be amazing right now is unrealistic and displays a lack of understanding of the difficulty of learning the position, first rounder or not.

For how much he's been at the position, he's pretty much on target for where he should be. Does he make mistakes? Sure, but he's still a rookie at the spot for all intents and purposes. He did the job he was asked to do fairly well. It's like asking a rookie QB to play like a HOF veteran in his first season. It's not rational.

Well...I am not ready to say bust but I am underwhelmed to this point.

I will lean on his pass breakup late in the game and how he played From last year until he does something more substantial.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Both on ODBs long catch.

Those weren't on him. The one was clearly Scandrick. IIRC, the second one was on him too.

 

[Ken]

Those weren't on him. The one was clearly Scandrick. IIRC, the second one was on him too.

Sure looked like it was on him. Looked like he had deep half or third and was late and behind coming over. Of course, i don't have All-22 to know for sure.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Sure looked like it was on him. Looked like he had deep half or third and was late and behind coming over. Of course, i don't have All-22 to know for sure.

The big one I am thinking about wasn't him for sure. I thought it was too, but on replay, he was actually the 3rd guy in the picture. Scandrick got abused and appeared to tweak his hamstring in recovery.

Perhaps the other one was on him, but I don't remember thinking so at the time. FWIW, PFF gave Byron a good grade and said he only allowed one reception.

 

[Zman5]

Both on ODBs long catch.

Is that the play where OScan was covering OBJ and got injured? If so, he didn't get smoked. S. Shephard was running a seam route beating his man and BJones takes a step toward him. If he would have bailed early to help OScan, Eli would have thrown it to Shephard and probably score. Once Eli sees BJones take a step, he throws it OBJ. Jones was put between a rock and a hard place. Either help out a guy that was already beat or go help out Oscan.


It was great offensive play design and bad defensive design.

 

[TheCoolFan]

I liked him better at CB. I wish we could get Eddie Jackson from Alabama next season...a true ballhawk at FS!

 

[LocimusPrime]

It's sad, but I think Gerald Sensabaugh was probably just as good or better than every single safety we have on the roster, and Gerald got ran outta town.

 

[lostar2009]

The guy needs to make more plays if you ask me.

 

[Texas_Pete]

I'm gonna just sit this right here:



He'll easily be our best safety since Woody.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Jones is the least of my worries on this defense by a long shot!

 

[Meat]

The people on this forum are ridiculous in their defense of professional athletes who don't contribute at their positions. It's always an excuse for them.

Byron Jones is just another guy and has yet to make a single impact play in his time here.

He's an athlete not a football player. We screwed this pick up but I'm not surprised this is the same team that took Marcus Peters (8 INTS, 2 TDS in his rookie year) completely off their board. I understand you want to be patient, but the tentativeness, poor tackling, and no Ints is a telling sign.

Hello, my name is Meat and I typically only post when a thread is absolutely absurd and full of false information. Anyone who thinks Byron Jones is a bad pick or bad football player didn't watch him at all last year and doesn't watch highlights. Anyone who thinks he can't tackle clearly did not keep a close eye on him last year. These comments are so far from the truth, that you guys seriously must not watch much Cowboy football at all. Are you guys fair weather fans or what?

Last year, he made play after play. Regardless of no interceptions, he makes splash plays all the time. He did so game after game last year. In fact, he did so well last year he already has a video highlight reel of making so many plays. Can't say that for Barry Church or Wilcox can we? The fact of the matter he makes twice, triple the plays that our other safeties do. At this point, he is no doubt an upgrade to our position from what we had with Church and Wilcox. I'm not going to argue about other players they could have taken, but this so far has been a solid pick.

Zordon, AmericanCowboy, anyone else with mutual thoughts, if you think he tackles poor/doesn't contribute please, please watch this video:

I watched all these plays in this video as they happened last year. Maybe neither of you didn't catch them, so I figured it'd be a good video for you to watch.

As you can see, he makes a lot of plays and tackles well. I'd go as far as saying he's one of the better tacklers on the team besides Sean Lee. He consistently has enough speed to cover receivers/TEs and deflect balls time after time. In the Carolina game, he made 2 back to back plays deflecting balls from Carolina receivers in the endzone. He covered Gronk and limited his play extremely well. He covers all the good TEs and limits what they can do. He's a big, fast, physical defender. He uses his speed and arm length to cut off curl routes right at the tail end over and over. He gets his arm in front of the ball right when a receiver is about to catch it all the time for the deflection.

As far as him coming out for Wilcox - this is a question the media asked Jason Garrett. You know what Jason Garrett said? He said "he likes to keep his players fresh at all times." He didn't come out because he was doing bad. He came out because he wanted a fresh player and wanted to give Wilcox a chance to make some plays. If he isn't making plays this year, it's because the coaches aren't putting him in position to do so. He's obviously a talented player. I mean it really is OBVIOUS. If you don't see it you're oblivious and must not see the good out of anything. People like you only see bad, never good.

You can say he doesn't tackle, you can't say he doesn't contribute, you can say all that but the fact of the matter is you'e flat out wrong. Look at his numbers and tape compared to our other defensive players. Anyone that thinks he's a bad player clearly is just a negative person.

It disgusts me that you guys are Cowboys fans and know none of this. All you have is something negative to say. Go be a fan of another team if you don't watch the games. It amazes me how people can talk so much trash about their own team, it makes you wonder if you're really a fan or just a troll. I don't agree with everything the Cowboys do, but I'm still a fan and it's not in me to talk trash about my own team. Two people talking trash about their own team sounds like two Cowboys haters that secretly like another team, but are too afraid to do it. You picked the team, you either like them or you don't. It amazes me how many fair weather fans there are on here. If you don't like the Cowboys anymore, stop watching them. Stop being a fan. It's like being married and hating your wife but never leaving or doing anything about it. If you don't like her, get a divorce and leave. The Cowboys don't want fans like you, nor do they need you. If you don't like the Cowboys, simply get them out of your life.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Yep..all of the above.

We'll see what happens.

The proof is in his play.

He needs some plays that creates his signature.

Didn't see it yet..you?

Don't need a signature. Just need him to carry out his assignments and prevent plays.

He was one of the best, if not the best, DB on the field for Dallas.