Byron Jones Is a complete CYA choice for the Claiborne debacle

[CyberB0b]

Their media said they needed to replace Revis and Wilfork, and that Byron Jones was their hope pick. Neither Dallas or New England expected Jones to drop that far, and I'll bet you they thought Dallas would go Brown or Goldman, so they didn't trade up in front of us. I'll be their kicking themselves because they have secondary issues.

That doesn't make a ton of sense, but OK.

 

[conner01]

A complete CYA choice for the Claiborne debacle.

Do yourself a favor and ignore the talk he will be some savior at FS.

not sure why that would matter. every pick is not going to work out. but no one can deny that the boys have drafted very well of late. there is a reaso the have the most drafted pro bowl players over the last few years

 

[khiladi]

Yeah Callahan wasn't the only reason the oline was very good and great at times. The actual PLAYERS were THE reason. It's not like the players are going to be completely clueless because Callahan isn't here anymore. Most of our line were very talented players before being coached by Callahan. Screw Callahan. And I trust the coaching staff as a whole.

Because Callahan wasn't the guy that lobbied for Frederick and it wasn't his running schemes. It's no coincidence that the OL started being built with him and the guys picked were specifically suited toward his style, while prior we were running a power-blocking scheme that Garrett always coached with and personnel was picked along that mold of big, hefty lineman.

Pollack didn't build anything in Oakland as far as I know and McFadden didn't run well under him at all. So I'll wait to see what he does as opposed to BCs track record of building lines.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Callahan is one of the best in the business when he is committed to only coaching the OL.

I have hopes Frank Pollack that will be fine, but his tenure in Oakland when being the head OL coach was not that great.

He has a ways to go before it can be said he can do a better job than Callahan.

WHOAAAAAAAAA, that's a bit of a change of heart regarding Callahan.

Glad you finally came around.

 

[Alexander]

WHOAAAAAAAAA, that's a bit of a change of heart regarding Callahan.

Glad you finally came around.

Let me be clear though, read specifically what I said, when left alone to coach the OL. When he was distracted by the OC duties, the line seemed to miss the little details.

He also needed the talent to be right and get the scheme details down. He is not one of those coaches who can take UDFA types and coach them up. Never really has been that, unlike someone like Houck.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

He had one year with the Raiders. Callahan had 4 years with the Jets and was more or less ran out of town because the Jets' O-Line was subpar.





YR

The same 0-line that led the league in rushing and had 2 pro bowl players?

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Let me be clear though, read specifically what I said, when left alone to coach the OL. When he was distracted by the OC duties, the line seemed to miss the little details.

He also needed the talent to be right and get the scheme details down. He is not one of those coaches who can take UDFA types and coach them up. Never really has been that, unlike someone like Houck.

I am just messing with you B uh I mean Alex.

Yeah he is a much better coach than coordinator.

 

[Idgit]

WHOAAAAAAAAA, that's a bit of a change of heart regarding Callahan.

Glad you finally came around.

Pretty transparent, isn't it?

 

[Rogah]

Their media said they needed to replace Revis and Wilfork, and that Byron Jones was their hope pick. Neither Dallas or New England expected Jones to drop that far, and I'll bet you they thought Dallas would go Brown or Goldman, so they didn't trade up in front of us. I'll be their kicking themselves because they have secondary issues.

The media discussing Patriots draft plans is mostly an exercise in futility. Most of them were predicting a trade down out of the 1st round and, in fact, the Boston Globe actually reported at around 10:00 pm that they did indeed trade out of the first round. Obviously, that was an error.

However, I will give Mel Kiper some credit. Right before the pick was submitted, he said the Patriots had Brown at #12 on their draft board, so they would almost certainly take him since he fell to #32.

 

[BigD5]

I actually like the pick... I just don't see an incredibly physical player from the highlight videos I've watched. There wasn't many plays that made me go "wow that was a great hit". You're probably gonna disagree because I guess we just aren't on the same page but that's what I see. I still think he'll be good, but that's just an observation I made. But what do I know... I hadn't heard of the kid until the combine.

You can't hit anybody in today's NFL secondaries anyway so that doesn't mean much anymore

 

[JBell]

why wouldnt they just draft the best safety in the draft if they wanted a safety?

They didn't want a safety. They wanted a guy who could play CB AND Safety. There aren't a lot of those in the draft.

Byron Jones has 2 years worth of tape at safety, and another 2 years at CB so there is no guesswork/experimenting. They know what he can do at each position.

 

[thechosen1n2]

A lot of people just regurgitate what they hear TV "analysts" thinking that others will think they know what they're talking about. There's a few people on this board that have true, in-depth football knowledge and many others (myself included) that have to trust what others say. The secret is figuring out who to listen to.

Yeah. I dont claim to be a draft expert, but I start studying players around December for the next draft. The thing is, I only do it for the cowboys because that is all I care about. I start off by looking (as you said) what others have to say about players I would like to see combined with positions of need. I start out getting my info from Footballsfuture, nfldraftcountdown, walter football, and draftking. I then go back and find as much film as I can bout those players, and other players around their same grade in the same position and make my draft board from there. Im usually pretty close. 2 years ago I had us getting Fredricks but I thought we would drop back to get him. I wasnt mad at the pick when we got him though.

I also had Shazier, and Martin as my wanted picks last year for the first round. I wanted Shazier bad, but Im glad we ended up with Martin.

The fact is,everyone has their Pets coming into the draft. (I want Ajayi, though I think we should go DT in the second. To many other backs to be had in the third. Ajayi might slip to the 3rd as well) but like I was saying since everyone has their Pets, the cowboys could draft Lawrence Taylor in the 1st and Tom Brady in the 6th and someone would be up in arms about how terrible our draft was.

 

[LandryFan]

Yeah. I dont claim to be a draft expert, but I start studying players around December for the next draft. The thing is, I only do it for the cowboys because that is all I care about. I start off by looking (as you said) what others have to say about players I would like to see combined with positions of need. I start out getting my info from Footballsfuture, nfldraftcountdown, walter football, and draftking. I then go back and find as much film as I can bout those players, and other players around their same grade in the same position and make my draft board from there. Im usually pretty close. 2 years ago I had us getting Fredricks but I thought we would drop back to get him. I wasnt mad at the pick when we got him though.

I also had Shazier, and Martin as my wanted picks last year for the first round. I wanted Shazier bad, but Im glad we ended up with Martin.

The fact is,everyone has their Pets coming into the draft. (I want Ajayi, though I think we should go DT in the second. To many other backs to be had in the third. Ajayi might slip to the 3rd as well) but like I was saying since everyone has their Pets, the cowboys could draft Lawrence Taylor in the 1st and Tom Brady in the 6th and someone would be up in arms about how terrible our draft was.

I applaud your efforts actually do research and work as a basis for your opinions. You're the type of poster whose opinion I would be apt to give credence to. I'm not nearly the "Draftnik" that some on here are so I try to find who I think are the most/best informed people and use them as a basis for how good/bad I should feel about our picks after they happen. Of course, the games themselves give the true picture, but we don't have games right no so I'll just gather in the info from informed sources and make premature judgments along with everyone else.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The same 0-line that led the league in rushing and had 2 pro bowl players?

Here's how they ranked in rushing DVOA according to FootballOutsiders.com:

2008: 5th
2009: 11th
2010: 5th
2011: 18th

The 2 Pro Bowl players were in place *before* Callahan.

He was let go because Wayne Hunter and Vlad Ducasse were complete busts.

Again, it's not to say that Callahan is a bad O-Line coach. I think he's one of the best. But, giving Frank Pollack 1-year at Oakland and holding that as a standard and ignoring the issues that Callahan had at NYJ is completely contradictory in logic.



YR

 

[thechosen1n2]

I applaud your efforts actually do research and work as a basis for your opinions. You're the type of poster whose opinion I would be apt to give credence to. I'm not nearly the "Draftnik" that some on here are so I try to find who I think are the most/best informed people and use them as a basis for how good/bad I should feel about our picks after they happen. Of course, the games themselves give the true picture, but we don't have games right no so I'll just gather in the info from informed sources and make premature judgments along with everyone else.

Thanks. I must admit K.C. broke my heart. I wanted Marcus Peters, and I thought would fall. It seems though cowboys wanted no part of him anyway. People around me were angry about not taking Malcolm Brown, but in my opinion Bryon is either 3a/3b best corner in the draft behind Waynes, and Peters. I liked Byron over Johnson but I understand someone liking Johnson better. So I liked the pick. There are too many DTs that I think are comparable with Brown to pass on Byron Jones at that point.

 

[Plankton]

heard someone say Jerry said Claiborne would get a look at FS when he gets back

Claiborne isn't a good enough tackler to play S effectively. He is at his best playing press coverage - off coverage is a problem for him.

Of course, this is all pre-injury. Torn patellar tendons are tough to come back from.

 

[erod]

The more you look at it, Jones makes sense at free safety. Word is, the Ravens were going to take him but had Perriman unexpectedly fall in their laps. They are still trying to replace Ed Reed, and thought Jones was a good fit there.

Tall with a 44-inch vertical and 4.35 speed. Does that not sound like a guy that can roam free deep and out-jump guys for the ball downfield?

 

[erod]

Claiborne isn't a good enough tackler to play S effectively. He is at his best playing press coverage - off coverage is a problem for him.

Of course, this is all pre-injury. Torn patellar tendons are tough to come back from.

He is if you're in nickel, which you are most of the time anyway these days.

Claiborne or Jones could be a deep safety.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Here's how they ranked in rushing DVOA according to FootballOutsiders.com:

2008: 5th
2009: 11th
2010: 5th
2011: 18th

The 2 Pro Bowl players were in place *before* Callahan.

He was let go because Wayne Hunter and Vlad Ducasse were complete busts.

Again, it's not to say that Callahan is a bad O-Line coach. I think he's one of the best. But, giving Frank Pollack 1-year at Oakland and holding that as a standard and ignoring the issues that Callahan had at NYJ is completely contradictory in logic.



YR

Where they pro bowlers before he got there?

Ferguson was considered a underachiever before he got there and let's stop acting like he was run off he left for another job.

I think Pollack will do fine but he does not have the track record of Callahan.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Where they pro bowlers before he got there?

Ferguson was considered a underachiever before he got there and let's stop acting like he was run off he left for another job.

I think Pollack will do fine but he does not have the track record of Callahan.

They were both drafted in '06, 2 years before Callahan arrived.

Mangold should have been a Pro Bowl center. They were discussing him as an offensive rookie of the year in '06 and made the All-Rookie team.

Ferguson didn't make the Pro Bowl until 2010, his 3rd year under Callahan.

Pollack is 11 years younger than Callahan and just hasn't had the opportunity (1 year as head of the offensive line). So of course he's not going to have the same track record.





YR