Byron Jones: Is he a bad safety?

Byron Jones: Is he a bad safety

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If you don't realize that Jones is as much a corner as he is a safety, your opinion doesn't count. Byron Jones is the best man-to-man corner on the roster. Last year, it was between he and Claiborne.

The problem is that man-to-man coverage doesn't usually present the opportunity for a lot of picks. Most fans judge secondary players based on that stat almost exclusively. But Byron Jones is a very good DB with very solid upside. He's justified the investment and I hope we retain him.

That said, I'd be perfectly fine getting a true ballhawk back there and moving Jones around some. But again, just because he's not a ballhawk doesn't mean he's a bad player. He's a good player.
 
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gmoney112 said:
I can find bad plays on every single player in this league, and every HoF player that ever played. Next, someone's going to say Bo Jackson was a terrible athlete because he got caught behind the line of scrimmage a couple of times.
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that is a bad analogy , how about 4th and goal on the 1 and he gets stopped or fumbles or does something dumb.
There is a difference in regular plays and plays in last 10 seconds of the game.
That is when a player needs to step up not screw up.
 
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BrAinPaiNt said:
The majority of people who call the game seem to think he is much better than the majority of the fan base thinks he is.
I have seen some articles that are not from a Dallas based media who also think he is better than the fan base thinks he is as well.

I would love to see what he could do on a team that has a good established Pass rush and a secondary that stays healthy and productive enough that he is not asked to play different positions.

I think he is much better than much of our fan base thinks.

With that said...I think he would be much better with better players surrounding him.
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I think fans are largely clueless.
Byron Jones has been quite good and has been the key to the secondary improvement.
He's started every game of his career.

He takes away the deep middle and we've seen a drastic reduction in big plays allowed.

With virtually no pass rush, the secondary was good all year.
Even with a rookie playing at CB due to injury.
 
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fishspill said:


I don't know if he's bad but this stat doesn't look good.
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That stat is pretty meaningless to be honest.

The game that led to that terrible ranking was the Chicago game we won 31-17 and where he was actually pretty good but did give up 2 TDs.
When you don;t cover much but do cover at the goal line and give up a TD welp your pass rating is trashed, lol.

FWIW PFF rated him the highest of any Cowboy that game. Even though he allowed two TDs....

Byron Jones had an up-and-down game, as he recorded five solo tackles, many in the open field, and an outstanding pass breakup near the goal line. However, he allowed two touchdowns to tight end Zach Miller, which many will point to as things he needs to improve upon.


On the very next play after Jones’s pass break-up, Chicago went right back at him. Zach Miller bullied Jones a few steps into the endzone, created some space, and cut to the right for an easy completion and touchdown. On Miller’s second touchdown reception, Jones was pursing in coverage off the snap, before his teammate Anthony Hitchens picked him off, giving Miller the step and separation needed for another score. Despite these two instances, Jones still played well, again using his versatility by stepping in at cornerback at times last night.

Top five highest graded Cowboys:

  • Byron Jones: 86.9
  • Travis Frederick: 82.9
  • Dak Prescott: 82.1
  • Zack Martin: 82.0
  • Doug Free: 80.7
 
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It's ridiculous to think he's not good considering the COMPLETE lack of pass rush for most of the season. No one seems to take that into account much when analyzing our secondary. Or what's left of it.
 
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HappyOnions said:
His stat line doesn't show it, but he's one of the better safetys in the league. He breaks up a lot of plays despite not getting many picks.
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This....

I saw him in on a bunch of pass break ups.

I think he will get better
 
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jterrell said:
That stat is pretty meaningless to be honest.

The game that led to that terrible ranking was the Chicago game we won 31-17 and where he was actually pretty good but did give up 2 TDs.
When you don;t cover much but do cover at the goal line and give up a TD welp your pass rating is trashed, lol.

FWIW PFF rated him the highest of any Cowboy that game. Even though he allowed two TDs....

Byron Jones had an up-and-down game, as he recorded five solo tackles, many in the open field, and an outstanding pass breakup near the goal line. However, he allowed two touchdowns to tight end Zach Miller, which many will point to as things he needs to improve upon.


On the very next play after Jones’s pass break-up, Chicago went right back at him. Zach Miller bullied Jones a few steps into the endzone, created some space, and cut to the right for an easy completion and touchdown. On Miller’s second touchdown reception, Jones was pursing in coverage off the snap, before his teammate Anthony Hitchens picked him off, giving Miller the step and separation needed for another score. Despite these two instances, Jones still played well, again using his versatility by stepping in at cornerback at times last night.

Top five highest graded Cowboys:




    • Byron Jones: 86.9
    • Travis Frederick: 82.9
    • Dak Prescott: 82.1
    • Zack Martin: 82.0
    • Doug Free: 80.7
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I'm here to say, first of all, I'm neither saying Jones is bad nor am I saying Jones is good. He's still on my watch list.

There's a couple of points I have to bring up in light of what you presented. First, as much as fantasy stats don't tell an entire tale it was a well-established plus match-up most of last year to use your TE if they were playing Dallas. I believe the Dallas D was 32nd against TEs for a significant portion of the season. This is a bad thing if the team heralds Jones as being their TE stopper. Second, if we want to just toss the fantasy angle out the window and look at games where TEs had monster production it constitutes more than just the Chicago game***:

Playoffs Cook 103 yds, 1 TD Jones played 94% of snaps
Week 17 Ertz 139 yds, 2 TDs Jones played 89% of snaps
Week 16 Ebron 93 yds Jones played 100% of snaps
Week 15 Brate 73 yds, 1 TD Jones played 98% of snaps
Week 12 Reed 95 yds, 2 TDs Jones played 100% of snaps
Week 4 Celek 79 yds Jones played on 77% of snaps
Week 3 Miller - Already accounted for Jones played on 83% of snaps
Week 2 Reed 70 yds Jones played 99% of snaps - this is a good one for Jones but I think Reed might have still been hurt

Looking at this data I came away impressed by how much Jones does the most important thing a player can do: be out on the field and compete. He played a large portion of snaps. It's also key to note the snap percentage isn't the percentage of time he was on the TEs mentioned. He might have been on the other side of the field for all I know.

However, to place the blame for his poor passer-rating-against on one contest in Week 3 may be slightly disingenuous. There were other games where the TE was a plus match-up to the opponent and showed in the stats.

***Note: I didn't watch these games to know who did what on which play so for all I know Jones never covered any of these TEs in the game. But it would make sense for his passer-rating-against to be so bad if he was victimized several times for a TE's best game of the year or an obviously strong game from a TE.
 
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mancefine said:
It's ridiculous to think he's not good considering the COMPLETE lack of pass rush for most of the season. No one seems to take that into account much when analyzing our secondary. Or what's left of it.
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Very good point.

These guys have the sickness though. They think cornerbacks are impact players who can manufacture a productive pass rush by giving them more time to get to the QB.

How often are opposing QBs forced to make rushed throws against our defense? Rarely.
 
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He and Lee I think are the only players that have a shred of talent on the defense. So no

edit: Maliek Collins also
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
Nice wall of text sir.

I was being facetious. I got what he meant. And I was thinking along the lines of Run DMC.

Tricks are for kids he plays much gigs
He's a big bad wolf and you're the three pigs
He's a big bad wolf in your neighborhood
Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good
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And that's the life that I lead.....
 
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MichaelWinicki said:
To me Lawrence taking a severe inside pass rush was death... It totally opened up that side of the field for Rodgers to roll out.
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Lawerence was doing what he was coached to do by Marinelli....they wanted Rodgers to roll to his left...and have to throw into a short window. They tried to squeeze the field. Nice try...trying to throw another Boise State player under the bus. But you can blame our dumb a** defensive coordinator for such a lousy scheme....and Jones for the breakdown.:rolleyes:
 
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CyberB0b said:
He's not horrible. He's the reason why Cook was open on the final play. His athleticism doesn't show up on the field. He's kind of just there.

He's great at covering tight ends, but has a lot of work to do to be an NFL safety.
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Broaddus said that Carr was responsible for Cook being open, and that he was too deep in his zone. Said Jones was right where he was supposed to be.
 
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rpntex said:
Broaddus said that Carr was responsible for Cook being open, and that he was too deep in his zone. Said Jones was right where he was supposed to be.
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