UDcowboysfan
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IMO, when Jones tackles, he catches the ball carrier instead of delivering the hit.
You're not alone he literally catches them then drags his legs until the fall down, every time.
IMO, when Jones tackles, he catches the ball carrier instead of delivering the hit.
Key being “yesterday” - plenty of issues with his safety play over his entire body of work. Yesterday just showed that he’s an idiot.He threw a guy down out of bounds, then took off his helmet after the ridiculous play at the end of the half. I don't consider that evidence that he's a corner being shoehorned into safety. He gave up the TD in man coverage on one of the best tight ends in the game right now. Otherwise, I saw no major holes in his safety play yesterday.
WordYou know he's played more than just one game, right?
My belief he's not a great FS and likely a better CB is his totality of work. He has poor reaction time back there, he struggles with his reads at times, and he seems to be at his best when he comes down and locks up a slot WR or TE in man coverage.
Key being “yesterday” - plenty of issues with his safety play over his entire body of work. Yesterday just showed that he’s an idiot.
You know he's played more than just one game, right?
My belief he's not a great FS and likely a better CB is his totality of work. He has poor reaction time back there, he struggles with his reads at times, and he seems to be at his best when he comes down and locks up a slot WR or TE in man coverage.
The shove was intentional and unecessaryIt was a BS call. The momentum of the ball carrier was bringing him down and Byron was trying to get his legs out of the way so he didn't get rolled up on. He did give a little shove, but it was so small it was ridiculous. The refs didn't throw the flag until the Chiefs complained.
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So you haven't seen any falloff in his play then?He hasn't played poorly at safety, period. Yes, he's missed some tackles and yes, he's given up some completions, but most of the time he's taking away his man and he's filling where he is supposed to fill.
I know that's your belief, but I believe you are off base and his totality of work shows that he's a solid, but not spectacular, free safety. I know some are not going to be satisfied with that, but it is what it is. I think it's just silly to focus in on Jones because he's not great when we have some clear deficiences that are really a problem.
So you haven't seen any falloff in his play then?
I thought it was ticky-tack.
He's not a very good tackler and he struggles when he's asked to play single high or in Cover 2.
I think he could actually be a pretty good CB IMO. I think he's out of place at S because we see time and time again failures in his responsibilities as a FS. If the best thing we can say week to week about him is that he seems to take out the TE or a slot WR when he mans up, that's pretty telling about his FS skills. When was the last time you saw him make a great play as a deep safety, or break on a pass on a deep zone and make a play? His best plays come when he's basically manning up.
Who is focusing on Jones only? That's weak sauce IMO. Other areas of the defense have also gotten criticism. Smith gets ripped weekly here. We've criticized Heath's play. Brown has gotten criticized a lot as well.
I think it's misleading to try to make it out like people are just picking on Jones and putting all the blame on him
My dream secondary
CB - Scandrick/Lewis
CB - Jones
Slot - Brown
FS - Woods
SS - Awuzie
I didn't say fans are only focusing on Jones. I said Jones is not the problem while other positions are. We need to replace Heath, we were hurting at linebacker because of Lee being out, being forced to start Jaylon Smith before he's ready was really hurting our second-level defense (he's showing some signs of improvement in a limited role, though).
I don't see the problems at FS that you are seeing. I don't see him blowing his responsibilities. He's not making great plays, but how often are the quarterbacks actually throwing into his coverage area? I just have not seen that many attempts where Jones was the player who was beaten. A safety's job in coverage is to cover his area or his man. If that forces the QB to throw elsewhere, then he's done his job.
I like your lineup, but I would replace Jones with Lewis and I think we have a decent group.
Fall-off? I've seen him play in a secondary that includes Heath as the other safety, rookies and Anthony Brown playing up and down. The only stabilizing factor other than Jones is Scandrick and he missed some time because of the broken hand and wasn't playing as well coming back from it (although he's picked it back up some).
If you watch Jones, and I don't mean only when he's either making a play or being picked on for not making one, but play in and play out, he's getting his job done. He's where he is supposed to be, forcing the ball to go elsewhere. I think a few missed tackles and a few completed passes against him are being overblown.
This game is a good example of how when some start disliking players, every time that player messes us becomes a point of contention. Two unsportsmanlike conduct calls and giving up a TD to one of the better TEs in the game = he's can't play safety. It's quite ridiculous.