Campbell compared to Romo

[Dale]

Not yet, he has show me great in one series and then crap in the next. Kinda like Majkowski.



Alex Smith, but not Vince Young or Leinart ? To me the pro-bowl is another BS accolade. Like I stated Romo has done a pretty good job overall. I just dont think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread at this point.



You obviously havent read the entire thread. I have given praise and criticism to both guys. But at this point I dont think one is a clear cut better player.




Here it is. They both have the potential to be very good. It will depend on their individual development though.

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I agree.



It varies from passer to passer, game to game, system to system.




Although I think Carr has the potential to still be a good QB, his OL doesnt help him at all, not to mention his RB situation.

On the Alex Smith thing, I was just tossing out a young guy's name that hasn't really done much. Many, many more players could have been listed -- like a Leinart or Young.

I guess I'm just used to the word potential being used here for guys like Bobby Carpenter, Kevin Burnett, Miles Austin -- or, in years past, Ebenezer Ekuban, Dwayne Goodrich, etc. In other words, players that hadn't done anything but had decent measurables and/or were drafted high. Heck, to go back even further, it used to be used for guys like Jason Tucker, Chris Brazzell, and every other 6-2, fast receiver that (seemingly) never caught a ball.

I agree Romo's not the greatest thing since sliced bread. And my previous post was solely about Romo and not about the Romo/Campbell comparison. I guess I just have a hard time looking at him as "just" a potential guy.

To me, he's already a good quarterback in this league. How good? Well, one season doesn't prove that. He might be marginal, great or off and on. Consistency and sustained stamina will determine that. But one can easily go down a list of passers and find, off the top of your head, and list about 18 guys that have easily performed worse this season.

Not to drag this thing out any further, but Henson was all potential. Potential, to me, is that dreaded four-letter word used for players that haven't done anything. While Romo hasn't proven he's a star or a great player, I think he's advanced past the "potential" stage. Why? Because he's already done something -- several things, in fact. Potential guys, typically, haven't really done anything at all.

If not, what label would you use to differentiate Romo from a Leinart or Alex Smith. They're all on different levels of proven success right now. I don't think one label applies to each of them equally. That's my beef with the potential thing.

 

[SkinsFan07]

When was Quincy Carter drafted anyway? He was a scrub straight up, a drug addict and was not a very good NFL QB.

Why are poeple even comparing him and Campbell. I need to see some evidence first, and then I need to see who is still playing and who isnt.

 

[streetcredit]

Campbell hasn't shown much....just over reaction by Commander fans .....he can miss wide open receivers by 5 yards

 

[silverbear]

But I disagree that yards per attempt is meaningless. I don't think it's the most important stat, but I think it absolutely reflects how much of a downfield passer you have. Granted, Romo's YPA is helped, in part, by his high completion percentage (Campbell's, likewise, is likely skewed by his relatively low completion percentage).

The thing is, a higher completion percentage is also a desirable thing for a passer, and thus should be factored into the equation, I think... and YPA does just that...

But hey, if you just want to compare yards per COMPLETION, Tony still has a decided edge over Jason-- 13.2 yards per completion to 11.8 yards...

Which shows you that he was taking the ball downfield with success somewhat more often than Campbell did (and still had a significantly higher completion percentage, which is rather astonishing)...

 

[silverbear]

Again with the numbers.

Look at Terry Bradshaws' int numbers. Yet many consider him an all time great.

He has rings ya know.

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If Jason ever "gets rings", feel free to woof about it... but as things stand, he hasn't even approached what Tony Romo accomplished this year...

And that's what "the numbers" tell us...

 

[silverbear]

Not yet, he has show me great in one series and then crap in the next. Kinda like Majkowski.

Then what, pray tell, has Jason Campbell shown you??

I'd appreciate an honest answer, so as to gauge the consistency of your arguments...

And FWIW, Majkowski had exactly one year in his career where he put up numbers comparable to Romo's, that being 1995 (his 9th year in the league), when he posted a sterling 114.8 rating... his second best year was 82.3, well below Tony's numbers this year...

So your comparison doesn't seem to hold water, does it??

Like I stated Romo has done a pretty good job overall. I just dont think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread at this point.

Neither do I, but then again, he's still a pretty raw product, isn't he?? And if he can improve on what he gave us this year, then I'll be one happy, happy Bear...

You obviously havent read the entire thread. I have given praise and criticism to both guys. But at this point I dont think one is a clear cut better player.

This despite that all the numbers (except percentage of ints allowed) say otherwise... which makes you one of those "my mind's made up, don't bother confusing me with the facts" type of fans...

 

[SkinsFan07]

Campbell hasn't shown much....just over reaction by Commander fans .....he can miss wide open receivers by 5 yards

at least he protects the ball.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

At this early stage, neither has played enough for anyone to use stats to prove future viability.

The only opinions that hold water now are subjectively based, and come from the art of football more than the science.

Imo, Campbell has displayed poise and enough command of the playbook for Skins fans to be optimistic.

But none of the quick-response, 'make it happen', sheer quarterback instinct that makes you say, "Gosh this guy is gonna be freakin' GOOD".

Romo has had the WOW factor in overdrive many times this season.

His potential to be 'special' is greater...the likelihood that he can combine vision, accuracy, mobility, and leadership with that spark of greatness that can mark him as exceptional.

 

[The30YardSlant]

No way dude.

Philly is as classless as they get. It's not even a comparison. they threw beer at CP's mom last year, fought with other skins fans, and they threw eggs at one of our teams buses.

CP's mom started the fight, what did she expect?

 

[DipChit]

Imo, Campbell has displayed poise and enough command of the playbook for Skins fans to be optimistic.

But none of the quick-response, 'make it happen', sheer quarterback instinct that makes you say, "Gosh this guy is gonna be freakin' GOOD".

Romo has had the WOW factor in overdrive many times this season.

I agree about Campbell thus far after watching a few of his games.

Honestly at this point he reminds me a lil of QC. Now I know some/most people would automatically assume I was knocking him when I say that.. but thats not what I'm doing.

I see the athleticism.. move around pretty good.. buys time.. but the biggest problem I see is accuracy. That was always the one thing that concerned me with Q as it pertained to long term viability.

Especially considering I dont think it's something "practice" or "experience" can make you better at once you're at that age.

It so happens their numbers are pretty much the same after their first half dozen-ish starts. Well I'm using Q's last 5 from that first year cause he was tweaked and missed some early games after starting and finishing Game 1.

QC: 52.8 completion percentage, 6.5 YPA.

JC: 53.1 completion percentage, 6.3 YPA

Now Q did bump that completion % up 3 or 4 points over his next/last 25 or so starts here but it didnt seem to be much improved when actually watching him play. Sure there was plenty where the needle was threaded but far more where it wasnt.

Who knows though.. maybe JC will turn out not to have accuracy issues at time goes on.

 

[gbrittain]

Who's everyone? I didnt say Romo ever sucked and my brother Dccowboys#1 knew that he was going to be a star and I believed him. Dont put words in my mouth.

As for Campbell I posted everything I needed to about him and you still think he is a bust. I posted TD to int comparisons with other first rd picks such as Matt Leinhart and Vince Young and how JC had a better td to int ratio than them, I posted why he put us in position to win games, and how our defense kept losing them for us, but YOU STILL CANT GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD THAT HE IS A SKIN and will always accept the fact that he is a bust.

Matt Leinhart didnt do to hot this year either. Had a worse record than we did and he started all year. And he had the best wr combo in the league to work with and an all star back in James. Does that mean he is a bust too?

I'd love to hear how this one pans out and how Campbell is still worse than a top 10 draft pick who struggled as a rookie as well.

You told me not to put words in your mouth and then you go on and post:

you still think he is a bust

YOU STILL CANT GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD THAT HE IS A SKIN and will always accept the fact that he is a bust

I will be waiting for you to show me where I ever said what you said I said. I will be waiting a very long time because you just made that up out of thin air.

I always thought Jason Campbell would be a good QB in this league. I could not understand why you guys were wasting time on Mark Brunell. The only thing I am trying to tell you right now is Romo is better than Campbell. Nothing more nothing less. It is not a disgrace to be not as good as Romo...he is playing in the Pro Bowl this year. Not to shabby.

 

[bbgun]

And if there's one thing I hate, it's your arrogant abuse of one of this forum's most highly respected members...

I'd go into the other things I loathe about you, but it would get me banned...

Cliff, is that you or the Vicodin speaking? I thought you suffered a knee sprain, not a brain injury. What? No stories about your latest high score in Scrabble? Or how you earned your sewing badge as a Brownie? Or how you heroically defeated Wednesday's jumble? You disappoint me.

 

[Cochese]

I dont even know why we are discussing Quincys illegitimate son on this forum. Wake me up when Jason Carter makes the Pro Bowl.

 

[DIAF]

When was Quincy Carter drafted anyway? He was a scrub straight up, a drug addict and was not a very good NFL QB.

Why are poeple even comparing him and Campbell. I need to see some evidence first, and then I need to see who is still playing and who isnt.

Because Campbell and Carter have always been compared to one another, that's why. They have similar skills and similar styles. When Campbell was an all-world recruit, the player they compared him most to was then UGA qb Quincy Carter, and the comparison has stuck. Even today it is still valid when discussing Campbell's physical prowess.

 

[silverbear]

Cliff, is that you or the Vicodin speaking?

A week ago, it was Vicodin... these days, it's just Advil...

I thought you suffered a knee sprain, not a brain injury.

And if I had, you and I might actually be intellectual equals, Gump...

 

[SkinsFan07]

CP's mom started the fight, what did she expect?

ya gotta be ****ing kidding me!

She had a beer thrown on her! *** would you do if a Philly fan did that to you?

 

[Cochese]

You can tell its a LONG time before the next time the Commanders play.

 

[The30YardSlant]

ya gotta be ****ing kidding me!

She had a beer thrown on her! *** would you do if a Philly fan did that to you?

All the Eagles fans said she started throwing punches at some poeple who were heckling her son, and it escalated from there.

 

[SkinsFan07]

All the Eagles fans said she started throwing punches at some poeple who were heckling her son, and it escalated from there.

So now you believe their fans and not the actual article?

http://www.********.com/sports/nfl/ma-sweets-will-punch-you-in-the-mouth-146128.php

read that and then post. It is clear that she got a beer dumped on her by an out of control mad eagles fan and retaliated. Self defense.

 

[BigDFan5]

So now you believe their fans and not the actual article?

http://www.********.com/sports/nfl/ma-sweets-will-punch-you-in-the-mouth-146128.php

read that and then post. It is clear that she got a beer dumped on her by an out of control mad eagles fan and retaliated. Self defense.

There is something hilarious to me about a Commanders fan taking a newspaper account as 100% fact especially the post.