Campbell compared to Romo

[dre1614]

First Tony was "untradeable." Now he's "incomparable." Delicious. On second thought, you're right; they are incomparable. But it has nothing to do with Tony's performance on the field. Who on Earth would compare a four-year vet to a two-year vet? Naturally Tony is going to have an advantage, armed with a healthy WR corps to boot. Apples and oranges. That said, Campbell acquitted himself quite well under trying circumstances.

Now go back to your QB pressure chart, the timing of which is positively comedic.

Oh Adam, we cant compare Jason and Tony because bbgun said so. uh oh

its natural fans compare players, hell we do it all the time. Im sure you dont tho, because you will be like oh WAIT, WE CANT COMPARE THESE TWO BECAUSE ONE HAS BEEN IN THE LEAGUE 2 MORE YEARS, WE have to wait a few more years i guess.

 

[steve09ru]

I reiterate, you're getting there

oh god... somebody buy this team from him please

 

[SkinsandTerps]

According to STATS LLC., Campbell's "poor throw" percentage was 19.3 percent -- 40 poor throws out of 207 attempts. The only quarterbacks with at least 140 attempts who were worse are Jake Plummer (a league-worst 21.5 percent), Donovan McNabb and Seneca Wallace. Campbell finished slightly better than Bruce Gradkowski, Vince Young, Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Joey Harrington and Michael Vick.

Yet Rex Grossman is winning games somehow.

Campbell has looked BAD if you've watched the Commanders play much the last month. He is nowhere near Romo, and like I've said from the start, never will be.

So you havent watched Campbell play is what you are saying.

Hate has nothing to do with anything. The man simply isnt an NFL QB.

Based on what exactly ? If thats the case based on the last month Roy Williams isnt an NFL safety.

Dallas rbs split carries , washington backs dont

Since when ? News to me.

There's no comparison because Campbell has done nothing worthy of being compared to Romo. Is that all that difficult to understand? Or are you unfamiliar with the language?

Like I told the delusional Skins fan, when Campbell actually does something noteworthy, then they can come back and compare him to Romo. Until then, it's a ridiculous comparison.

And Romo has done what exactly ? Numbers aside really what ? Most of you folks were so content with Bledsoe and believed that the team would have an equal or better record at this point.

I can't hold a candle to Adam, my man... he brings the heat in the form of facts, as well as anybody I've seen online...

I can only aspire to his debating techniques...

Which is my typically long-winded way of saying you're giving me credit for Adam's delcious bit of sarcasm...

You are clearly selling yourself short.

 

[steve09ru]

Dallas rbs split carries , washington backs dont

which should mean fresh legs and atleast 100 yards a game rushing...this doesn't happen to often does it? or atleast the last 6-7 weeks. AND NO i'm not bashing you or your running backs....it's just something one of your other fans posted earlier on how Betts alone outrushed Jones/Barber together 5 of the last 6 games.

Thats where problems come in with rushing. Splitting that many carries never gives the RB enough time to get comfortable if they are constantly getting pulled and relieved. If they could stay in, they may get tired a little more but they would be in the groove a lot easier as well

 

[dre1614]

Skins-

before Romo took over, alot of us thought our season was done. Romo in my opinion is the reason why we are in the playoffs.

Thats one thing he has done noteworthy

Made the probowl. weather he deserved it or not, who knows. but the players and coaches must have saw something because the fans only voted him 3rd, and thats only 1/3 of the total vote.

Leads the NFL in YPA. Thats noteworthy
65% completion %. Thats noteworthy
95 qb rating thats noteworthy.

No he isnt perfect 13 ints, thats not noteworthy.

BUT he saved our season

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Skins-

before Romo took over, alot of us thought our season was done. Romo in my opinion is the reason why we are in the playoffs.

Thats one thing he has done noteworthy

Made the probowl. weather he deserved it or not, who knows. but the players and coaches must have saw something because the fans only voted him 3rd, and thats only 1/3 of the total vote.

Leads the NFL in YPA. Thats noteworthy
65% completion %. Thats noteworthy
95 qb rating thats noteworthy.

No he isnt perfect 13 ints, thats not noteworthy.

BUT he saved our season

Hey, read my posts on this thread. I havent dogged Romo at all. I think he has that magic word; " potential". He has his short-comings as much as Campbell does. My thoughts are that neither of them is truly superior at this point. YPA is meaningless, and QB rating is about the same. Completion rating though is certainly noteworthy.

And his poise is one of the main reasons I think he has potential. He makes a mistake and shakes it off like a good pro should.

 

[bbgun]

There have been plenty of two-year vets who could be compared to a four-year vet. Heck, some rookies have been worthy of being compared to guys with much more playing experience than Romo. If they do something on the field to earn that comparison, it's certainly valid -- even if you wouldn't EXPECT a rookie or second-year player to play as well.

Romo had a two-year head start, a ton of pre-season snaps, some limited playing time before the Giants game, and a healthy, dynamic receiving corps at his service. When are you going to concede that the deck was stacked in his favor? Campbell had Moss (who was battling chronic hammy problems the latter half of the season) and Cooley. No second or third wideout options, period. Adding insult to injury, Lloyd failed to haul in two long Campbell bombs vs Tampa and New Orleans. Meanwhile, Tony gets credit for a ridiculous TD vs the Saints that was a sure pick. Tony also gets credit for keeping pace vs the Lions, but Campbell did the exact same thing vs the Giants. Tony was better in the sense that an eighth grader should be better than a sixth grader. We'll see if Campbell can skip a few grades in the coming years. In the meantime, your hyper defense of Tony is churlish, petty and completely without merit.

Ooh, now I'm scared. And I posted those numbers and others (with a lot more yet to be posted) because I just received them, they're the final stats for the regular season, and they're not available to most people. When would Your Majesty rather I post them? In February? March? May? Never? Well, too bad, because a lot of people have been wanting those numbers, so I posted them.

How 'bout never? If there's one thing I hate, it's a rotisserie geek.

 

[silverbear]

Romo posted an amazing rating of 77 in December.

Which was still higher than Campbell's rating of 73.3...

Oooops...

And of course, Campbell was sacked 5 times in 150 attempts in December, while Romo was sacked 13 times in 157 attempts... IOW, he was sacked more than twice as often, a clear indication that Jason was getting the better pass protection... he also had the better running game, taking more of the pass rush pressure off of him...

Campbell on the other hand might not have the best completion percentage, but he know how to take care of the ball and still make sufficient plays that would have got us wins had our defense not been ranked #31 and been one of the worst in NFL History.

Oh, gimme a break... the Skins were averaging all of 16.6 points per game in Jason's first 5 starts, which would rank them 29th in the league this year... then he had the great good fortune of going up against two really bad defenses when it came to scoring in the Giants (24th in the league) and the Rams (28th in the league), and the Skins were able to put up 59 points in those two games... which brought Jason's scoring average all the way up to 20.3 points per game, which would have ranked the Skins 16th in the NFL this year...

Maybe you're impressed by that, but I'm not... neither, I suspect, is anybody who's truly knowledgeable about the game (and not a Skins homer)...

And this is all considering that Campbell is playing in an offense much more complicated than Romos.

Romo has Julius Jones and Marion Barber where as Jason Campbell only had Ladell Betts unless your saying our 2nd string RB is better than your 1rst and 2nd stringer...

And yet, the Skins were FAR more successful running the ball over Campbell's 7 games than the Cowboys were... just compare the two teams' rushing numbers over the final month (5 games) of the season:

Skins-- 173 carries, 852 yards, 4.9 average... 170.4 yards per game, 34.6 carries per game...

Boys-- 107 carries, 461 yards, 4.3 average... 92.2 yards per game...

Now tell me, homer, which team ran the ball better?? Which quarterback had the benefit of having opposing defenses being forced to focus on the run??

did I mention that Romo in his 2nd NFL season was riding the #3 pine behind 50 year old Vinny Testaverde and NFL Europe Drew Henson in a losing season?

Now that you have mentioned it, wanna tell us how that's relevant to anything at all?? All that proves is that Parcells is very, very reluctant to trust a young quarterback, which has been his rep all through his career...

 

[dre1614]

Romo had a two-year head start, a ton of pre-season snaps, some limited playing time before the Giants game, and a healthy, dynamic receiving corps at his service. When are you going to concede that the deck was stacked in his favor? Campbell had Moss (who was battling chronic hammy problems the latter half of the season) and Cooley. No second or third wideout options, period. Adding insult to injury, Lloyd failed to haul in two long Campbell bombs vs Tampa and New Orleans. Meanwhile, Tony gets credit for a ridiculous TD vs the Saints that was a sure pick. Tony also gets credit for keeping pace vs the Lions, but Campbell did the exact same thing vs the Giants. Tony was better in the sense that an eighth grader should be better than a sixth grader. We'll see if Campbell can skip a few grades in the coming years. In the meantime, your hyper defense of Tony is churlish, petty and completely without merit.



How 'bout never? If there's one thing I hate, it's a rotisserie geek.

If we cant compare a 4 year player, and a 2 year player, can we compare a 5 year player, and a 3 year player?

what about 6years to 4 years?
what about 7 years to 5 years?
what about 8 years to 6 years?

 

[dre1614]

oh and btw bbgun.

you do know that Romo's best game was without Terry Glenn right?

TO and 2 7th rounders. that should scare a D.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Come on Bear, you are better than that last post.

I am sure teams feared Betts and Campbell more than Jones/Barber and Romo ? I would say about equal threats really.

 

[bbgun]

If we cant compare a 4 year player, and a 2 year player, can we compare a 5 year player, and a 3 year player?

what about 6years to 4 years?
what about 7 years to 5 years?
what about 8 years to 6 years?

Think of it as a 100-yard dash, with Romo standing on the 40 and Campbell at the 1. That's where the comparison begins.

 

[dre1614]

Romo had a two-year head start, a ton of pre-season snaps, some limited playing time before the Giants game, and a healthy, dynamic receiving corps at his service. When are you going to concede that the deck was stacked in his favor? Campbell had Moss (who was battling chronic hammy problems the latter half of the season) and Cooley. No second or third wideout options, period. Adding insult to injury, Lloyd failed to haul in two long Campbell bombs vs Tampa and New Orleans. Meanwhile, Tony gets credit for a ridiculous TD vs the Saints that was a sure pick. Tony also gets credit for keeping pace vs the Lions, but Campbell did the exact same thing vs the Giants. Tony was better in the sense that an eighth grader should be better than a sixth grader. We'll see if Campbell can skip a few grades in the coming years. In the meantime, your hyper defense of Tony is churlish, petty and completely without merit.



How 'bout never? If there's one thing I hate, it's a rotisserie geek.

one other thing i forgot to add. Washington has a better OLINE than Dallas, i'm sure most would agree with this statement

 

[bbgun]

oh and btw bbgun.

you do know that Romo's best game was without Terry Glenn right?

TO and 2 7th rounders. that should scare a D.

Glenn missed one game vs. the atrocious Cardinals. Big whoop. Patrick Crayton is better than the Skins' second and third wideouts. Think about that.

The whole point is that it's possible to praise Tony without denigrating someone else unnecessarily.

 

[bbgun]

one other thing i forgot to add. Washington has a better OLINE than Dallas, i'm sure most would agree with this statement

I noted that in my very first post in this thread.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Patrick Crayton is better than the Skins' second and third wideouts. Think about that.

Not really. I could see Crayton on the Jets next season.

 

[silverbear]

Yup. He was riding the pine and was almost released but Parcells said he saw something in him in camp/practice/whatever he did.

Gee, that's strange, this ol' Cowboys fan has NEVER read that Romo's job was in jeopardy...

You wouldn't make stuff up, would you??

So let's recap:

1.)Cowboys fans are bashing our qb who is STARTING in his 2nd season WHILE LEARNING his 6th offense in 6 years.

You see, the NFL doesn't CARE about that sort of thing... the bottom line is the bottom line, and in this case the bottom line is that Campbell put up some ordinary, bordering on bad, numbers... and his team only won 2 of 7 games, despite having one of the league's best running games, despite giving Jason excellent pass protection...

2.)Our defense was one of the worst in NFL history yet they bring up the fact that our defense helped Campbell out.

Your defense was not only not one of the worst in NFL history, it wasn't even the worst this year... in fact, over the last 4 years alone, there were TWELVE teams that allowed more than the Skins did this year...

Once again, it seems you like to make stuff up as you go along; be advised that you WILL be called on that if you try it in here...

3.)Finally, they say that our RB and o-line did very good and thats what made Campbell look good. Am I missing something or did Marion Barber lead the NFC in TD's?

So we had a good goal line battering ram... doesn't change the fact that the Skins had nearly 400 more yards rushing than the Cowboys did in the month of December... they had a higher yards per carry average, and ran the ball 66 more times (13 times a game more often)...

Yah he did, so don't give us that running game garbage, yours was just as strong.

And yet, the Skins were ranked 4th in the league in rushing, the Cowboys 13th...

Yeah, I think I'm gonna continue giving you that "garbage" since it's the complete and utter TRUTH...

So until Jason Campbell is in his fourth year how about you lay off of the kid until then.

If you've got a problem with that, you probably ought to find another board to frequent... I'd recommend a non-Cowboys board...

 

[silverbear]

All you have to do is watch the games. Romo has "it". Campbell doesnt. It's easy to see, just not easy to admit.

Jason Campbell is Quincy Carter v2.0

Bad comparison, HH... Quincy was more the mad bomber type, and more of a threat on the run... he was also MUCH more prone to turnovers...

But he also won, which Campbell did not do... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

Like I said before............yards do not equal points. Betts only had 3 TD's in his 7 games starting. Portis had 7 in 6. You do the math.

Barber led the NFC in TD's, so as far as I'm concerned you can say Betts had all the yards he wanted (which he did since our #2 back outgained your #1 back) but he didnt score. He did help us move the ball

Which is the point you were either too obtuse to grasp, or too stubborn to admit to-- because the Skins were more of a threat to move the ball on the ground, opponents had to respect the run more than they did against the Boys, which resulted in a bit less pass rush pressure on Campbell...

but most of the scores were thrown by Campbell not run by Betts.

WOW, 10 whole TDs in 7 games... why, that's almost 23 TDs in a 16 game season... somebody, call Canton and get them working on his Hall of Fame bust...

Right after they get to work on Romo's, whose 19 TD passes in 10 games would work out to 30-31 TDs over a 16 game season...

 

[silverbear]

When was winning a playoff game in hostile environment embaressing?

When you gain like 100 yards of total offense in that win, the lowest total in a winning effort in playoff history, that IS embarrassing...