Can a First Rounder Supplant Kosier?

[TheSport78]

it could be the other 4 linemen for all I know

i don't think most football fans can name 1 or 2 other players on the 49ers O-line...maybe Kwame Harris?

 

[The30YardSlant]

it could be the other 4 linemen for all I know

So, it was LA holding our line back, but in SF it was the other 4 linemen that made Gore a great runner? Why couldnt it be out pitiful tackle situation in 2005 that resulted in LA's apparent drop in production?

Selective facts abound

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i don't think most football fans can name 1 or 2 other players on the 49ers O-line...maybe Kwame Harris?

in the 5 games LA did not play in, Gore averaged 4.6 yards per carry, I'd say that's a healthy average, wouldn't you?

 

[The30YardSlant]

in the 5 games LA did not play in, Gore averaged 4.6 yards per carry, I'd say that's a healthy average, wouldn't you?

And in games where LA did play, Gore averaged .6 YPC more behind him

That's a pretty big jump in average for a guy who is supposedly a washed up has been

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And in games where LA did play, Gore averaged .6 YPC more behind him

That's a pretty big jump in average for a guy who is supposedly a washed up has been

still, Gore was pretty good w/o LA in the line-up

 

[The30YardSlant]

still, Gore was pretty good w/o LA in the line-up

And he was considerably better with him in the lineup

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So, it was LA holding our line back

the argument is whether Kosier was an upgrade over LA, he was

the only thing I have against LA was that he wasn't suited for the type of scheme we ask our linemen to run

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And he was considerably better with him in the lineup

by less than a yard

 

[The30YardSlant]

by less than a yard

Are you joking?

Serious question, was the above comment made in jest?

I really don't want to go off on you for no reason, please, please tell me this was a joke.

 

[The30YardSlant]

the argument is whether Kosier was an upgrade over LA, he was

the only thing I have against LA was that he wasn't suited for the type of scheme we ask our linemen to run

Yes, so much so that every OLB in the NFC East said a little thank you directed at Jerry Jones for the signing

 

[TOOMBS]

by less than a yard

Wow, this is the dumbest thing I have read on here. A .6 ypc is HUGE.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You and I both know there is no possible way to prove with written stats that LA would have been better than Kosier because LA wasnt here last year blocking.

that makes no sense unless we alternate the 2 at LG

And even if you were to compare his previous year to Kosier's last year, LA was having to help a pitiful group of LTs after Flo went down.

it wasn't just '05 where the '06 runs to the left-side improved from

I have no problem agreeing we ran better to the left this year, but you can no more say that was because of Kosier than I can say it was because of Flo.

it was both

I can, however, point to the fact that Larry Allen made the Pro Bowl and Kosier did not.

so DeAngelo Hall over Terrence Newman then?

I can also point to the fact that Kosier gave up more sacks (granted, he was injured and played somewhat less).

it's well-documented that Kosier was inconsistent as a pass-blocker, it's too bad your argument was that Kosier sucked in the running game

I can also point to the fact that Frank Gore, a realtive unknown, instantly became a 1,500 yard back with a 5.2 YPC on LA's side when he arrived.

:laugh2: Frank Gore kept Willis McGahee and Clinton Portis on the bench at Miami, he averaged 4.8 yards a carry his rookie year, he averaged 4.6 yards a carry in games LA did not dress up, yes, LA helped Gore, but he did not make him

 

[The30YardSlant]

Wow, this is the dumbest thing I have read on here. A .6 ypc is HUGE.

I have to think he was kidding, because if not that disallows him from ever ragging on me about anything ever again. That comment trumps anything I've ever said, and that's saying quite a lot.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Wow, this is the dumbest thing I have read on here. A .6 ypc is HUGE.

you're right, I didn't do the math, that averages to about 300 yards lol, sorry about that, but the point I was trying to make is that w/o Larry Allen in the line-up, Gore was still a pretty good back

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Wow, this is the dumbest thing I have read on here. A .6 ypc is HUGE.

Oh that's nothing!

Our members can post things even more stupid than that! I have confidence!

 

[The30YardSlant]

that makes no sense

It makes perfect sense. LA wasnt here last year and the eyar before he was here under unfortunate and different circumstancs.

it wasn't just '05 where the '06 runs to the left-side improved from

Link?

it was both

How convienant

so DeAngelo Hall over Terrence Newman then?

Newman received a very large number of fan and player votes, he got the 5th most out of NFC corners I believe

Kosier wasnt even on the radar, and for good reason

it's well-documented that Kosier was inconsistent as a pass-blocker, it's too bad your argument was that Kosier sucked in the running game

While he did stuggle with interior run blocking, the fact that he also struggled in pass protection furthers my point. LA could at leats run block on the interior, and since both were subpar pass blockers, why not LA?

:laugh2: Frank Gore kept Willis McGahee and Clinton Portis on the bench at Miami, he averaged 4.8 yards a carry his rookie year, he averaged 4.6 yards a carry in games LA did not dress up, yes, LA helped Gore, but he did not make him

No he didnt. Clinton portis and Willis McGahee were starring at Miami before Gore even arrived on Campus. Gore graduated in 2005, Portis graduated in 2002 and McGahee in 2003

 

[The30YardSlant]

you're right, I didn't do the math, that averages to about 300 yards lol, sorry about that, but the point I was trying to make is that w/o Larry Allen in the line-up, Gore was still a pretty good back

Un-be-lievable

 

[TOOMBS]

you're right, I didn't do the math, that averages to about 300 yards lol, sorry about that, but the point I was trying to make is that w/o Larry Allen in the line-up, Gore was still a pretty good back

LOL...... no prob dude, but I think your argument is very flawed.

THINK BRO, plz.

If .6 is 300 extra yards..........then your example of a big difference maker at guard is a running back going from 3ypc to 5ypc: THAT IS OVER 1000 YARDS!

that isn't even in the realm of possibilities. Your argument is weak.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It makes perfect sense. LA wasnt here last year and the eyar before he was here under unfortunate and different circumstancs.

the only way to compare the players, realistically, is see the line's production w/ each as the team's starting LG, you can't just say, "well, LA wasn't here when Kosier was, so that's unfair"

Link?

ask Yakuza, but I'm almost positive that the ypc for runs to the left-side has been the highest it's been in awhile

How convienant

it's the truth

Newman received a very large number of fan and player votes, he got the 5th most out of NFC corners I believe

Kosier wasnt even on the radar, and for good reason

I'm sorry Heavy, the Pro Bowl voting is a joke, and you know it

While he did stuggle with interior run blocking, the fact that he also struggled in pass protection furthers my point. LA could at leats run block on the interior, and since both were subpar pass blockers, why not LA?

Kosier did not struggle w/ interior run-blocking, no way we average 4.9 yards a carry that way running to the left if that was the case

No he didnt. Clinton portis and Willis McGahee were starring at Miami before Gore even arrived on Campus. Gore graduated in 2005, Portis graduated in 2002 and McGahee in 2003

you do know that Gore had 2 redshirts I believe because of that injury right?

 

[The30YardSlant]

LOL...... no prob dude, but I think your argument is very flawed.

THINK BRO, plz.

If .6 is 300 extra yards..........then your example of a big difference maker at guard is a running back going from 3ypc to 5ypc: THAT IS OVER 1000 YARDS!

that isn't even in the realm of possibilities. Your argument is weak.

Well done