Can Drew Bledsoe pass for 4,000 yards this year?

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big dog cowboy said:
Nah he is alright. Good to go by camp. No surgery until after the season.
if morgan already requires surgery, even if it will be postponed until next offseason, how can you deem him "alright"?

from what i've heard it's his shoulder - which will likely affect his range of motion (ala extending his arms to catch the high ball).

i'm hoping one of the young WRs like crayton can bust out and become that 3rd guy. any reliance on morgan, for all his speed, makes me nervous. i hope i'm wrong about him.
 

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LaTunaNostra said:
Unbelievable.

But it makes sense if the locus is Quincy...

Drafting Witten, T-New, Johnson, picking up Glenn for a 6th, revamping the off season conditioning program, building a solid coaching staff as coaches become available, this year's draft (on face value), reclaiming 'character' as a central criteria, overall tightening up of the organization, making changes in scouting and pro personnel, allowing the cap situation to become more solvent before crying for free spending, yes, and letting Quincy go after he was found to be unreliable...all these were good decisions/policies.

Individual decisions, as with all coaches, have gone wrong or right. There were FAs brought in who could not get the job done due to previous injury, like Young and Mitchell, mistakes past their prime lile Wiley and George, and over-reliance on sub par talent, mistaking the degree to which it could be coached up.

But that is what happens to every coach, and particularly when you take a job where there is so so little talent, so little depth, and coming off several bad bad bad draft classes.

Keyshawn, btw, was brought here to provide a possession outlet for ANY QB who plays, not solely or primarily to "improve Carter's accuracy". Your perspective so completely revolves around QC, that you seem oblivious to what the head coach's responsibilties are...from personnel to policy to franchise building.

Yes, BP made his share of poor decisions last year, most of them based on a low-ball, frugal offseason, but I am not convinced that year of disappointment won't reap later rewards. He merits criticism like any coach, but does not deserve to have his tenure judged by what he did with Quincy.

In fact, it's highly doubtful Carter, who cost us a full year of Bill's contract, will ever again have a coach as renowned and committed investing in him. There's a very good argument for Bill's biggest mistake being wasting as much time on Q as he did. There are 52 other players on a roster more worthy of his concern.

I mentioned players other than Quincy, such as Kevin Williams and Chris Brown and Rashean Mathis. How do you get a Quincy obsession when there are other players that we missed out on? Are you saying that you prefer Newman to Williams,knowing what we know now. Tnew is okay, but Williams would have been better, because people wouldn't have been able to double on Glover in the middle. He would have also freed up Ekuban to be more productive. He would have made our secondary better with his pass rush. Mathis is just as good as Tnew, Chris Brown is better than Hambrick and we already had 4 tight ends when we drafted Witten. I like an efficient draft and by that I mean building for the future, no over-doing it on one position and underdoing it on others. Balance, orchestration should be the optimal themes, whether in free agency or the draft.

We still don't know if Tnew was worth the 6th pick and we got a 28 year old corner opposite him that will be going down hill in a couple of years. Plus, isn't Newman 28 also because he was over-age and Aaron Glenn is in his thirties. If Newman doesn't pan out, we'll be looking for a shut-down corner again in a couple of years, but this year was one of the deepest corner drafts in years and we didn't get one to cover a possible Newman mistake. The last 2 years have been excellent for receivers, but we didn't get one. This was a so-so year for right tackles and we didn't get one of the best.Next year will be a left tackle draft.

In essence, we passed up both Williams and Leftwich for Newman who was over-age, small and more a return-specialist than corner and this year we passed up both A. Rogers and J. Campbell because we had Drew Henson. These and more questions abound, and you've determined that I'm all about Carter and don't care about the rest of the team. I submit to you sir, that my profession dictates that when I make a plan, I consider all angles and I'm telling you that there's no backup plan if Henson fails or if Bledsoe fails or Newman fails or Torrin Tucker fails, which means that even in a parity laden Nfl, we're going to be also rans and that,to put it simply is not good.
 

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P.S. He's making the same mistakes again and again, such as thinking that Henson and Bledsoe can be coached up when Nobody else could coach them up or thought they were even worth trying to coach up. Were other teams really interested in Bledsoe? I heard him say they were, I never heard it from anyone else. I've researched Henson thoroughly and the Rams,Bucs,Steelers,Packers only had cursory interest in him and the Bills were so interested in him that they gave away the farm to us to get Losman,but wouldn't even give a single number one for Henson. Why they spent a number one on a running back with a bad knee and history of acl injuries. And if Parcells is so smart, how come he didn't draft Henson in 2003 with 6th rounder like Houston did instead of paying a number three for him. With two sixth rounders in 2003, Parcells drafted players who were released before the season even started. Yeah, that's really smart drafting.
 

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kartr said:
P.S. He's making the same mistakes again and again, such as thinking that Henson and Bledsoe can be coached up when Nobody else could coach them up or thought they were even worth trying to coach up. Were other teams really interested in Bledsoe? I heard him say they were, I never heard it from anyone else. I've researched Henson thoroughly and the Rams,Bucs,Steelers,Packers only had cursory interest in him and the Bills were so interested in him that they gave away the farm to us to get Losman,but wouldn't even give a single number one for Henson. Why they spent a number one on a running back with a bad knee and history of acl injuries. And if Parcells is so smart, how come he didn't draft Henson in 2003 with 6th rounder like Houston did instead of paying a number three for him. With two sixth rounders in 2003, Parcells drafted players who were released before the season even started. Yeah, that's really smart drafting.

Stop sprewing the same crap over and over.

The next time you post an actual fact, will be the first.

How about some links to your...cough...research then? :jerk:
 

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LaTunaNostra said:
Unbelievable.

But it makes sense if the locus is Quincy...

Drafting Witten, T-New, Johnson, picking up Glenn for a 6th, revamping the off season conditioning program, building a solid coaching staff as coaches become available, this year's draft (on face value), reclaiming 'character' as a central criteria, overall tightening up of the organization, making changes in scouting and pro personnel, allowing the cap situation to become more solvent before crying for free spending, yes, and letting Quincy go after he was found to be unreliable...all these were good decisions/policies.

Individual decisions, as with all coaches, have gone wrong or right. There were FAs brought in who could not get the job done due to previous injury, like Young and Mitchell, mistakes past their prime lile Wiley and George, and over-reliance on sub par talent, mistaking the degree to which it could be coached up.

But that is what happens to every coach, and particularly when you take a job where there is so so little talent, so little depth, and coming off several bad bad bad draft classes.

Keyshawn, btw, was brought here to provide a possession outlet for ANY QB who plays, not solely or primarily to "improve Carter's accuracy". Your perspective so completely revolves around QC, that you seem oblivious to what the head coach's responsibilties are...from personnel to policy to franchise building.

Yes, BP made his share of poor decisions last year, most of them based on a low-ball, frugal offseason, but I am not convinced that year of disappointment won't reap later rewards. He merits criticism like any coach, but does not deserve to have his tenure judged by what he did with Quincy.

In fact, it's highly doubtful Carter, who cost us a full year of Bill's contract, will ever again have a coach as renowned and committed investing in him. There's a very good argument for Bill's biggest mistake being wasting as much time on Q as he did. There are 52 other players on a roster more worthy of his concern.

In retrospect maybe Parcells should have gone with Romo. QC over Hutch I did and still do support him. Qball did win 10 games as a starter for Bill.
 

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blindzebra said:
Stop sprewing the same crap over and over.

The next time you post an actual fact, will be the first.

How about some links to your...cough...research then? :jerk:

he's the biggest dope on this forum, hands down...and THATS really saying something

David
 

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Nors said:
In retrospect maybe Parcells should have gone with Romo. QC over Hutch I did and still do support him. Qball did win 10 games as a starter for Bill.

gimmee a freaking break...Q-Ball was no more responsible for the 10-6 season than you or I were...we played solid defense and kept the ball away from the other teams, who mostly played pretty conservative themselves because they knew we were no threat to score pts unless we got alot of gimmee turnovers and gimmee field position

David
 

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kartr said:
P.S. He's making the same mistakes again and again, such as thinking that Henson and Bledsoe can be coached up when Nobody else could coach them up or thought they were even worth trying to coach up. Were other teams really interested in Bledsoe? I heard him say they were, I never heard it from anyone else. I've researched Henson thoroughly and the Rams,Bucs,Steelers,Packers only had cursory interest in him and the Bills were so interested in him that they gave away the farm to us to get Losman,but wouldn't even give a single number one for Henson. Why they spent a number one on a running back with a bad knee and history of acl injuries. And if Parcells is so smart, how come he didn't draft Henson in 2003 with 6th rounder like Houston did instead of paying a number three for him. With two sixth rounders in 2003, Parcells drafted players who were released before the season even started. Yeah, that's really smart drafting.

Three other teams expressed serious interest in Henson: Cleveland, St. Louis and Buffalo. Henson, 24, worked out for 20 teams in Houston earlier this offseason.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DAL/7168555

To this point, the Miami Dolphins seem to be most eagerly pursuing Henson, but they figure to be joined by three or four other serious suitors once the combine concludes and general managers return to their home offices. Casserly has said he will allow teams with legitimate interest in Henson to bring him in for individual auditions on their turf. Look for several teams to accept that offer in the next week or two.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1740198

Green Bay is in this thing 100 percent,” he said. “They have to be.”

Interest in at least evaluating Henson first-hand peaked in the last two weeks. The Packers were represented by their front-office heavyweights: GM-head coach Mike Sherman, vice president of player personnel Mark Hatley and offense coordinator Tom Rossley. Seattle, though a playoff team with a Pro Bowl-caliber quarterback, Matt Hasselbeck, was represented by pro personnel director Will Lewis and QB coach Jim Zorn while Buffalo head coach Mike Mularkey was joined by QB coach Sam Wyche and offensive coordinator Tom Clements. Several other teams — Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Arizona, San Diego, both New York franchises and Dallas among others — sent representatives.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2004/henson021204.htm
 

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I mentioned players other than Quincy, such as Kevin Williams and Chris Brown and Rashean Mathis. How do you get a Quincy obsession when there are other players that we missed out on? Are you saying that you prefer Newman to Williams,knowing what we know now. (1)Tnew is okay, but Williams would have been better, because people wouldn't have been able to double on Glover in the middle. He would have also freed up Ekuban to be more productive. He would have made our secondary better with his pass rush. (2)Mathis is just as good as Tnew, (3)Chris Brown is better than Hambrick and (4)we already had 4 tight ends when we drafted Witten. I like an efficient draft and by that I mean building for the future, no over-doing it on one position and underdoing it on others. Balance, orchestration should be the optimal themes, whether in free agency or the draft.

We still don't know if Tnew was worth the 6th pick and we got a 28 year old corner opposite him that will be going down hill in a couple of years. Plus, isn't Newman 28 also because he was over-age and Aaron Glenn is in his thirties. If Newman doesn't pan out, we'll be looking for a shut-down corner again in a couple of years, but this year was one of the deepest corner drafts in years and we didn't get one to cover a possible Newman mistake. The last 2 years have been excellent for receivers, but we didn't get one. This was a so-so year for right tackles and we didn't get one of the best.Next year will be a left tackle draft.

In essence, (5)we passed up both Williams and Leftwich for Newman who was over-age, small and more a return-specialist than corner and this year (6)we passed up both A. Rogers and J. Campbell because we had Drew Henson. These and more questions abound, and you've determined that I'm all about Carter and don't care about the rest of the team. I submit to you sir, that my profession dictates that when I make a plan, I consider all angles and I'm telling you that (7)there's no backup plan if Henson fails or if Bledsoe fails or Newman fails or Torrin Tucker fails, which means that even in a parity laden Nfl, we're going to be also rans and that,to put it simply is not good.


(1) in hindsight kevin williams has been very good. he's exceeded expectations for a DT. but dallas needed help up front AND in the secondary. newman was the highest rated CB coming into the draft - he looked like a sure thing. and if you look at how these guys are paid in the NFL - most of the league seems to put more value in the shutdown corner over the passrushing DT. newman hasn't been a bust. he was our best CB the second he hit the field - and a major reason dallas went from giving up 215 yds/ game passing in 2002 - to 164 yds/game in 2003.

(2) so far mathis has held his own. T-New's stats are slightly better with neither player having missed a start. but again, coming out, T-New was easily the higher rated CB. IMO, drafting him was anything but a mistake.

(3) chris brown better than T-Ham? hey, the sky is blue. so dallas was stupid for not drafting him? wouldn't it be great if you could address all your weaknesses in a single draft. but this is rarely, if ever, possible for the 5-11 teams. can you say "rebuild"? and seems like dallas got a pretty good TE in jason witten - 1st round talent in the 3rd. yeah, we were swindled. also, the selection of brown would likely have precluded the necessity to draft julius in the deal that also netted us marcus spears. i score this one for the cowboys - in a freakin' landslide.

(4) so dallas had 4 TEs when they drafted witten? what were their names and where are they now? how many team records have they set? how many probowls have they been a party to?

(5) how does it elude you that newman was drafted right about where "the experts" had him going? after two years the benefit of 20/20 hindsight has you in a tizzy. but how about waiting another year or two before proclaiming "we blew it!". IMO, newman hasn't begun to play his best football. and to this day he is our best corner - from day one to now. i don't regret his selection. not yet. i seriously doubt i ever will. and i bet ya dollars to doughnuts we see a monster year outta him in 2005.

(6)we passed on rogers and campbell 'cuz the FO and staff felt we had more pressing needs on defense. and i agree. campbell was taken way too early and rogers is certainly no lock. from where i stand - this was easily one of the worst QB classes in recent memory. at least.

(7) again, wouldn't it be nice if dallas could address ALL their needs in a single offseason. it's just not the lot for most 6-10 teams. yet, maybe they have come as close as is possible.

maybe bledsoe will hold up to the rigors of a 16 game schedule... again. maybe henson will see some action in backup or mop-up duty. and romo for that matter. maybe dallas will bring in VT for insurance. maybe newman will lead the league in INTs the way he dominated at the college level. and maybe tucker just needed an extra off-season of work.

i've been super-impressed with the cowboys and their decisive off-season actions. most have. but if you're waiting for them to become "team perfection"... don't hold your breath.

me? i'm banking on "marked improvement". and hoping for the "dramatic" variety.
 

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and here's an honest answer...."HELL NO!!!"


It will never happen...4000 yards in this offense, with this personnel is a ridiculous pipe dream, so put downt he pipe ...:)
 

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I mentioned players other than Quincy

Fair enough, altho Q always sticks out as the core of the universe, and of Bill's bloopers.

I am going to post an article for you that supports your contention that Bill has made far more mistakes than had sucesses so far. (we will discount 2003, of course:) My take remains the same, tho and that is individual goofs that could have gone your way (for instance if the roster had been packed a little more depth-wise, or the talent on the field could have compensated better) have to be analyzed long term as well as short, and with an eye to cap solvency. You are what your record says you are, but I'd qualify that somewhat in a rebuild effort.

This writer sees Bill batting .200. I see him helping Jerry re-build a franchise, and on the executive and policy level creating an environment in which the kinds of errors all teams make won't cripple us for years. Some of the writer's list of mistakes are indicative of the talent level here when Tuna arrived, and also of the unwillingness to pay a king's ransom to Mario Edwards level players.
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Parcells is Due

By Mike Fisher
Date: Jun 23, 2005


Bill Parcells is a baseball guy. When in North Texas in the spring, he’ll make an occasional appearance at a Texas Rangers game.

During the same time of year, when he’s on the East Coast, he’ll sometimes pop into Florida Spring Training to visit with pal Tony LaRussa, the Cardinals’ skipper.

And when Cowboys PR boss Rich Dalrymple says something about the true test of a sports guy being whether he can identify the only man to pitch a perfect game in a World Series, Parcells insists on being Mr. Baseball by topping his trivia-minded aide, saying the truer test is whether one knows the identity of the losing pitcher in that game.

(Author’s note: Don Larsen, Yankees. Sal Maglie, Dodgers. Oh, and I’ll top both of you: the final out Larsen got was against hitter Dale Mitchell. Don’t test me, boys.)

Anyway, we’ll offer up a batting-average analogy that coach Parcells will surely understand (but, we can say with equal assuredness, not enjoy):

In 2004, Bill Parcells, as a personnel boss, was a .200 hitter.

We calculate it thusly: We figure Parcells oversaw 20 major personnel decisions last year (you’ll have to bend with us a bit here; we understand that in absolute truth, he oversaw a skillion decisions). From free-agent moves to draft picks to the care and feeding of his charge, we can come up with 20 biggies.

And 16 of them went sour. Let's let Bill step into the batter's box:

1) Bradie James is better than Dexter Coakley.

2) We don’t need to sign Antoine Winfield; we’ve got Pete Hunter.

3) Eddie George has gas left in the tank.

4) Marcellus Wiley is the pass-rusher we’ve been needing.

5) Roy Williams can play either safety spot.

6) Quincy Carter must be released – right after we start camp.

7) I can handle Antonio Bryant.

8) Rookie offensive lineman Stephen Peterman, go play hurt!

9) You, too, rookie running back Julius Jones!

10) Willie Blade is too heavy. Or maybe not.

11) I can always rely on Chad Eaton.

12) We’ll just stick somebody back there to return kicks.

13) We’re going to play a season without a backup QB.

14) Not even in lost causes is Drew Henson ready to play QB.

15) Why do we need insurance behind Darren Woodson?

16) Somebody will eventually emerge at right tackle.

Those are his downs. He gets ups for:

17) His positive handling of Larry Allen.

18) His nurturing of Jason Witten.

19) His drafting of Julius Jones.

20) His signing of Vinny Testaverde AS A BACKUP.

And there you have it. Four-for-20. A .200 batting average for Mr. Baseball, in the most “I-have-to-cook-the-meal-so-I-should-buy-the-groceries’’ season of his long and illustrious career. (You might have other at-bats, hits and misses you'd like registered. Go to TheRanchReport.com's discussion boards and let's have at it!)

You cannot explain the inexplicable.

How do you explain the decision to let Mario Edwards, a starting cornerback in that No. 1-ranked defense form ’03, go via free agency, and to instead bumble through 2004 with an assortment of late-round rookies?

How do you explain the decision to skip on acquiring backup help for bad-backed 35-year-old safety Darren Woodson, whose season-long absence would cause a trickle-down effect that would ruin this defense?

How do you explain the release of starting defensive tackle Willie Blade, and of another defensive tackle, Daleroy Stewart, only to replace them with Chad Eaton, a retired ex-journeyman whose only real credential is that his number was in Bill’s Rolodex?

How do you explain the big-money signing of ex-Charger Marcellus Wiley, considered a cancer in San Diego and completely lacking in playmaking ability in Dallas?

How do you explain Parcells’ willingness to go naked along the right side of the offensive line, to leave in a game a prized running back (Julius Jones) who was too intimidated to exit a game despite sustaining a broken shoulder, to putter along with too-diminutive linebackers, to sign tread-less runners Eddie George and Richie Anderson, to ask aging Keyshawn Johnson and Dedrick Ward to be the explosive threats at wideout, to jerk temperamental wide receiver Antonio Bryant on the team, then off the team, then on the team, then off again?

And most of all, how to explain Parcells’ unprecedented-in-the-modern-history-of-the-NFL mishandling of the Cowboys’ quarterbacking situation?

This team knew ’03 starter Quincy Carter had a drug issue, yet it took him to training camp. … and then cut him in the first week, leaving the position in the hands of soon-to-be-41 backup Vinny Testaverde, and two kids, undrafted small-college product Tony Romo and ex-baseballer Drew Henson.

By the time 2004 was over, Parcells stubbornly allowed Testaverde enough throws to make him the NFL interceptions leader, and Romo and Henson were junk-piled, as Carter and another young prospect, Chad Hutchinson, had been in the summer.

How do you explain all of this? Parcells had a hitch in his swing. Or something.

There is a traditional strategic debate in baseball, the centerpiece of which is “The Due Theory.’’ It goes like this: If a hitter is 0-for his last eight at-bats, do you keep playing him? He’s due to get a hit on at-bat No. 9, right? Yeah, if he’s Willie Mays, he’s due. But if he’s Mario Mendoza, he’s quite likely to become 0-for-9.

Is Bill Parcells, after hitting .200 last season, due?

Last year, Parcells was right at the Mendoza Line.

This year, he needs to be The Say Hey Kid.

Mike Fisher is the editor of www.DallasBasketball.com and hosts a daily sports-talk show, “Fish For Lunch,’’ noon-to-3 on 990 Texas Talk Radio (990am in North Texas, and www.990texastalkradio.com on the web.) Contact him at Fish@DallasBasketball.com.
 

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1) Bradie James is better than Dexter Coakley.

I don't think Parcells ever said this ... it was about money with Coakley.

2) We don’t need to sign Antoine Winfield; we’ve got Pete Hunter.

Looking back, this was a good decision.

3) Eddie George has gas left in the tank.

I never understood this one ... why play Hambrick when you're not playing Hambrick? I hated this move ... but I saw that Parcells was going to be stubborn about giving Eddie the rock.

4) Marcellus Wiley is the pass-rusher we’ve been needing.

A lot of people - including most fans - supported this move. I put this on Wiley, not Bill Parcells.

5) Roy Williams can play either safety spot.

He can. Especially the way Dallas uses its safeties. It's ignorant to say that he can't, but I hear ignorant people say this all the time. It is rather annoying.

6) Quincy Carter must be released – right after we start camp.

Quincy *** up ... this is a complex issue, but was a move made from a team perspective.

7) I can handle Antonio Bryant.

What was he supposed to do? Seriously.

8) Rookie offensive lineman Stephen Peterman, go play hurt!

I HATED seeing this ... the guy was obvioulsy hurt. Parcells tough guy attitude bit him here. I'm betting he learned a huge lesson here.

9) You, too, rookie running back Julius Jones!

I wish it weren't true, but Julius Jones seems like an injury prone-type player. And I honesly don't think this was Parcells fault that he got hurt. Nice try by the author though ....

10) Willie Blade is too heavy. Or maybe not.

I honestly believe that Willie Blade had some talent ... too bad he's a jug butt.

11) I can always rely on Chad Eaton.

Who said "always"? Overstatement.

12) We’ll just stick somebody back there to return kicks.

Who said this? This is the writer trying to make a case without anything to back it up ... sounds like some my friends in the political zone ...

13) We’re going to play a season without a backup QB.

We didn't have a backup QB? When did I miss this?

14) Not even in lost causes is Drew Henson ready to play QB.

We were numerically still alive for a playoff spot ... How many games did we have an opportunity to play Henson? This is some serious sensationalization here ... get a grip.

15) Why do we need insurance behind Darren Woodson?

Because we spent a 2nd round pick on insurance ... but he totally flopped. Don't blame this on Parcells though ... you have to evaluate some of the existing players on your team ...

16) Somebody will eventually emerge at right tackle.

There is still a chance that this will happen. If it doesn't, we're still pretty stout up there. There are 4 pro bowlers on the line including Witten.

Those are his downs. He gets ups for:

17) His positive handling of Larry Allen.

Props here ... and this should count for 3. This is the most important thing Parcells has done. This guy is so dominant he can be the difference in your season. I'm so happy that Larry Allen is still a Cowboy.

18) His nurturing of Jason Witten.

Nurturing? Uh ... ok ...

19) His drafting of Julius Jones.

IF Ware and Spears pan out ... this was an excellent move. This was a gamble that has the potential to pay big.

20) His signing of Vinny Testaverde AS A BACKUP.

I still wonder if we've seen the last of Vinny ...
 
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