Can La'el Collins play RT?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We are done on the subject, constant argumentive ad hominem absusive logical fallacies, denial of printed materials on the subject and simple arguments from ignorance.

As always, rhetoric and accusations without conent.

Give up if you want. You can think it insulting if you choose but it remains true that you are arguing for a conclusion as opposed to letting the truth reveal itself. That is sophistry.

By the way your meme doesn't make sense. I am talking about your method of argument so it gets included too.

Then of course you dropped my core arguments. I'm fine with that. Later, gator.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Not true....vs Alabama he played some RT because of injury.

Sorry the facts are the facts.

You just claimed he played RT exclusively his jr and senior year, guess you missed that fact that he did not.

Collins played at G and LT.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Give up if you want. You can think it insulting if you choose but it remains true that you are arguing for a conclusion as opposed to letting the truth reveal itself. That is sophistry.

By the way your meme doesn't make sense. I am talking about your method of argument so it gets included too.

Then of course you dropped my core arguments. I'm fine with that. Later, gator.

Poor logic and arguments from ignorance is all you have nothing more.

Constant personal attacks which reeks of desperation and poor argumentation. The Lumpkins way:

Premature miscalculation and projection conjecture is all you can come up with while you bury your head in the sand to the scouting reports which clearly state his weaknesses and the reality that Collins has only played G in games for cowboys for the last two years.

There is literally no reason to dialogue with you, you are the type that can read the facts in print or via media and deny them to your death even when they contradict your misinformed opinion.

Then you literally bury your head in the sand and pretend they are made up when the author literally states them themselves, that is a lot of denial of reality, such a strange strategy too.

This is the need to be right instead of the need to be truthful couched in pride and the inability to admit you are wrong, ever.

Collins is playing G right now and has for the last two years, enjoy!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Poor logic, arguments from ignorance is all you have nothing more.

Constant personal attacks which reeks of desperation and poor argumentation. The Lumpkins way:

Premature miscalculation and projection conjecture is all you can come up with while you bury your head in the sand to the scouting reports which clearly stats his weaknesses and the reality that Collins has only played G in games for cowboys for the last two years.

Collins is playing G right now and has for the last two years, enjoy!

You left out the part where my discussion of your method is about how you argue. The two notions are not mutually exclusive. Then of course your regurgitated thoughts of someone else assume that is my only argument. WE both know you dropped all of that as to what Brugler and others have said as well as the empirical proof of his play at OT.

It's actually entertaining that you post the above and then immediately characterize my argument rather than directly address them. It helps if you are going to make such claims it helps to demonstrate how it is the case and not be hypocritical.

For example when you claim that he was moved psotions for such and such reason and the person X said so repeatedly yet lack any shred of evidence that is the case then that is premature.

When you make stories about how issues with stance means that they had issues with his footwork is complete conjecture and worse, baseless.

Compare and contrast with your mindless flail.

Oh and I thought you were done. I prick your ego with nary an effort and you cannot help yourself. You should work on that.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You left out the part where my discussion of your method is about how you argue. The two notions are not mutually exclusive. Then of course your regurgitated thoughts of someone else assume that is my only argument. WE both know you dropped all of that as to what Brugler and others have said as well as the empirical proof of his play at OT.

It's actually entertaining that you post the above and then immediately characterize my argument rather than directly address them. It helps if you are going to make such claims it helps to demonstrate how it is the case and not be hypocritical.

For example when you claim that he was moved psotions for such and such reason and the person X said so repeatedly yet lack any shred of evidence that is the case then that is premature.

When you make stories about how issues with stance means that they had issues with his footwork is complete conjecture and worse, baseless.

Compare and contrast with your mindless flail.

Oh and I thought you were done. I prick your ego with nary an effort and you cannot help yourself. You should work on that.

Boring and more lack of content with more logical fallacies.

No one can dialogue with you because you bury your head in the sand and deny stated facts, it is pointless.

You literally have no argument, Collins plays LG and has for two years.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Boring and more lack of content with more logical fallacies.

No one can dialogue with you because you bury your head in the sand and deny stated facts, it is pointless.

You literally have no argument, Collins plays LG and has for two years.

You cannot address anything I say directly, claim that you were done yet here you are.

What stated facts btw? Be specific.

My argument is that he has the physical ability and traits to play their but just needs to work on his technique. Your quotes corroborate that. The staff likes Free at RT. They have shown that repeatedly as well.

Whose head is in the sand?

You know I did not ignore them and instead disputed your claims directly. You are just copping out with this playing the victim. It's adorable.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You cannot address anything I say directly, claim that you were done yet here you are.

What stated facts btw? Be specific.

You know I did. You are just copping out with this playing the victim. It's adorable.

Sorry, more name calling, Fuzzy logic is all you have nothing more.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So RS is melting down with memes. Anyone actually want to discuss Collins and his ability honestly?

 

[Rogerthat12]

So RS is melting down with memes. Anyone actually want to discuss Collins and his ability honestly?

We know you don't want to discuss Collins honestly, that is why no one is going to entertain you, all they will get is personal attacks and denial of the facts.

Look at your exchanges with people you disagree with in this thread, the name calling is simply absurd.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We know you don't want to discuss Collins honestly, that is why no one is going to entertain you, all they will get is personal attacks and denial of the facts.

Look at your exchanges with people you disagree with in this thread, the name calling is simply absurd.

X and others are on my side. Speak for yourself. Nice bandwagoning though.

Still cannot address my arguments directly. Still cannot provide anything proving your assertion of slow feet.

And sophists argue for a conclusion. You argue for a conclusion.

And you were oh so wrong on Bosa too.

 

[Rogerthat12]

X and others are on my side. Speak for yourself. Nice bandwagoning though.

Still cannot address my arguments directly. Still cannot provide anything proving your assertion of slow feet.

And sophists argue for a conclusion. You argue for a conclusion.

And you were oh so wrong on Bosa too.

More name calling and no substance, the Fuzzy Lumpkins way.

The logical fallacy machine.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

If you want to be willfully ignorant then have at it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824825/lael-collins



Quite frankly speaking in absolutes when it comes to opinion is pretty ignorant. It is oh so easy to demonstrate false.

Start here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/la'el-collins?id=2552361
"Fails to bring hips and feet with him"
"Change of direction is slow for a tackle"
"Relies on lunging rather than foot movement to counter inside moves"

I'm not making this crap up

 

[Rogerthat12]

Start here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/la'el-collins?id=2552361
"Fails to bring hips and feet with him"
"Change of direction is slow for a tackle"
"Relies on lunging rather than foot movement to counter inside moves"

I'm not making this crap up

This guy is in deep denial of stated weaknesses from top evaluator's like Pauline and Brugler and will say you are making it up even after you provide the literal write ups from the evaluator's.

He only looks at his strengths but completely ignores or denies what they say about his weaknesses which contradict his opinion on the matter.

Then he will personally attack you with insults, like he called you "willfully ignorant" because your argument contradicts his own opinion.

It is a pattern of behavior that he has demonstrated for some time, you literally can not have an honest dialogue with this guy.

Don't waste your time, you are 100% correct.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The reality is if he actually had above average kick step and natural lateral foot quickness nobody would waste him at guard. You wouldn't be able to get him out of the tackle spot. With his strength and mean streak he'd be an all-pro tackle waiting to happen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Start here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/la'el-collins?id=2552361
"Fails to bring hips and feet with him"
"Change of direction is slow for a tackle"
"Relies on lunging rather than foot movement to counter inside moves"

I'm not making this crap up

You made up the part about 'every scouting report.'

I agree that his technique goes in the toilet and he crosses his feet, lunges, and all manner of malfeasance. Then he has a snap where it comes together and he dominates.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The reality is if he actually had above average kick step and natural lateral foot quickness nobody would waste him at guard. You wouldn't be able to get him out of the tackle spot. With his strength and mean streak he'd be an all-pro tackle waiting to happen.

Here you go again with the absolutes. Speak for yourself and stop thinking you can speak for everyone much less NFL front offices.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

More name calling and no substance, the Fuzzy Lumpkins way.

The logical fallacy machine.

My argument was not RS12 is a sophist therefor he is wrong. That would be an ad hominem fallacy. You are still a sophist.

You namedropping scouts you think agree with you is a fallacy called an appeal to authority. You have tried ad populum trying to make it seem that no one agreed with me which was weak as hell.

In contrast my argument is that you cannot support your claim of slow feet. I've been calling you on it for two days. Your response is now this meme meltdown.

I do recall a similar argument about Bosa around this time a year ago. You were wrong then too and using similar arguments appealing to Broaddus' take ad nauseum. Try coming up with your own opinions.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

You made up the part about 'every scouting report.'

I agree that his technique goes in the toilet and he crosses his feet, lunges, and all manner of malfeasance. Then he has a snap where it comes together and he dominates.

I'll own that mistake. I should have said the most reputable scouting reports (in my opinion). There are many different folks out there doing this different ways, which is why you get different draft grades on players from team to team.

What you just described also matches Doug Free from 2016.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'll own that mistake. I should have said the most reputable scouting reports (in my opinion). There are many different folks out there doing this different ways, which is why you get different draft grades on players from team to team.

What you just described also matches Doug Free from 2016.

So now nfldraftscout is minimally reputable. Repute for you is a circular endeavor.

I disagree about Free. Free from 2012 would cross his feet and allowed his technique to go in the toilet. He has since cleaned up his act.

The current iteration has issues with speed to power moves from bigger players and is losing agility. You can turn him on inside counters for example. He plays with technique rather consistently and just plain gets beat nowadays.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Here you go again with the absolutes. Speak for yourself and stop thinking you can speak for everyone much less NFL front offices.

I'll stand by that statement. I have no reason to want Collins to be a lesser player. I wish he could play tackle and give us an upgrade there. It's much easier to find a serviceable guard.