CFZ Can this dysfunctional ownership return to glory without an Elite QB?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Can this dysfunctional ownership return to glory without an Elite QB?​

NO!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Tom Brady wouldn't be able to win with this dysfunctional franchise.

that's why when he became a FA, he chose Tampa and not the cowboys who at the time seemed better positioned to win one.

 

[Miller]

You have a FO already making comments about Zeke being great and coming back, about being good on the middle, etc. They have no clue what it takes and are just enamored with “their” guys vs being evaluators. Luck is what it would take.

 

[starfan1]

This has nothing to do w Dak. Dak hasn’t been the qb for 30 years

My bad I missed the 30 year reference

 

[nightrain]

This raises an interesting point. Would Mahomes be an elite QB if he hadn't wound up playing for Andy Reid?

Yea, he's got it. Generational talent. He would light it up in Dallas too, but prolly never make it past the divisional round.

 

[coogrfan]

Yea, he's got it. Generational talent. He would light it up in Dallas too, but prolly never make it past the divisional round.

Would he? Because the Mahomes I remember from Texas Tech wasn't the guy we see today. TT PH made almost as many game losing mistakes as he did spectacular plays. Reid has done something I would have thought impossible: coached out the dumb plays without taking away the off-script magic that makes PH unique.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

First of all this isn’t a Dak bashing thread . I think most fans believe Dak is enough to build around if we had a normal organization.

Many fans want the Cowboys to go All In. And I’m just not sure these Bozo’s are willing to risk their relativity and interest that mediocrity provides them to hype and sell . It’s a comfort zone for them being a playoff contender which keeps the registers ringing.

What I’m proposing is given if everything else stays the same I think the one piece that could elevate or take us to the next level is an Elite QB.

These fools have proven they can build a playoff caliber team around the likes of over achievers like Prescott and Romo but what if we had a Mahomes, Burrows type QB. Could that be enough to take us to the next level. I’d sure like to find out.

I understand there’s only a handful of these type of QB’s in the league . But how far are those teams going without those types of QB’s?

It takes too much of well oiled machine in the front office and coaching to build a Super Bowl contender without one of these type QB’s IMO.

I understand this isn’t something we can do under current contracts but I think ultimately if we truly want this frikin front office to have more of an opportunity to flourish this is the one entity or asset that might be enough to knock the door down. I’d sure like to try at some point.

Let's be honest....Dak was great in 2021....Dak was great in 2016. Romo was great in 2007 and 2014.....

We can say they aren't or weren't "elite"...but they had great seasons and it wasn't enough. At this point I'm convinced if we had Mahomes it wouldn't be enough. Cowboys are trying to win a ring running their organization like a country club and it hasn't been proven to work.

 

[nightrain]

Would he? Because the Mahomes I remember from Texas Tech wasn't the guy we see today. TT PH made almost as many game losing mistakes as he did spectacular plays. Reid has done something I would have thought impossible: coached out the dumb plays without taking away the off-script magic that makes PH unique.

They thought enough of him to pick him 10th overall. I didn't follow him in college, but I do feel Andy Reid is a special coach.

 

[buybuydandavis]

First of all this isn’t a Dak bashing thread . I think most fans believe Dak is enough to build around if we had a normal organization.

Many fans want the Cowboys to go All In. And I’m just not sure these Bozo’s are willing to risk their relativity and interest that mediocrity provides them to hype and sell . It’s a comfort zone for them being a playoff contender which keeps the registers ringing.

What I’m proposing is given if everything else stays the same I think the one piece that could elevate or take us to the next level is an Elite QB.

These fools have proven they can build a playoff caliber team around the likes of over achievers like Prescott and Romo but what if we had a Mahomes, Burrows type QB. Could that be enough to take us to the next level. I’d sure like to find out.

I understand there’s only a handful of these type of QB’s in the league . But how far are those teams going without those types of QB’s?

It takes too much of well oiled machine in the front office and coaching to build a Super Bowl contender without one of these type QB’s IMO.

I understand this isn’t something we can do under current contracts but I think ultimately if we truly want this frikin front office to have more of an opportunity to flourish this is the one entity or asset that might be enough to knock the door down. I’d sure like to try at some point.

Jerry couldn't win a SB *with* elite QB play in 2014.

Tony had the highest QB rating and highest QBR in the league in 2014.

The offense carried that team to a #1 seed. And Tony was carrying the receivers. Look at all the receivers who simply *evaporated* from the league once Tony was no longer throwing them the ball.

And then, that dline in the playoffs in 2014 was simply abysmal.

 

[kskboys]

that's why when he became a FA, he chose Tampa and not the cowboys who at the time seemed better positioned to win one.

Man, I don't see how. TB had a stacked D, high picks to complete a great OLine, and great weapons in Evans and Godwin.

 

[kskboys]

Let's be honest....Dak was great in 2021....Dak was great in 2016. Romo was great in 2007 and 2014.....

We can say they aren't or weren't "elite"...but they had great seasons and it wasn't enough. At this point I'm convinced if we had Mahomes it wouldn't be enough. Cowboys are trying to win a ring running their organization like a country club and it hasn't been proven to work.

Yes, we can say they are not/were not elite.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry couldn't win a SB *with* elite QB play in 2014.

Tony had the highest QB rating and highest QBR in the league in 2014.

The offense carried that team to a #1 seed. And Tony was carrying the receivers. Look at all the receivers who simply *evaporated* from the league once Tony was no longer throwing them the ball.

And then, that dline in the playoffs in 2014 was simply abysmal.

While 2014 was Romo’s most effective season with a championship caliber offense , the Cowboys were not the #1 seed. And I’d agree our defense was our weakness.

But Romo wasn’t an Elite QB even if he had one Elite type season. The reason he was so effective with that offense is because of our punishing running game and OL with league leading rusher.

If Romo was Elite thru his career perhaps we might have finally made it to a championship game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, we can say they are not/were not elite.

Sure we can. But we also CAN'T say teams have won with quarterbacks providing even less production than those guys have. Eli Manning was that much better than Romo that he won 2 rings and Romo has two playoff wins? Its much bigger than personal.

 

[kskboys]

Sure we can. But we also CAN'T say teams have won with quarterbacks providing even less production than those guys have. Eli Manning was that much better than Romo that he won 2 rings and Romo has two playoff wins? Its much bigger than personal.

Absolutely. Eli was not elite. Romo was better than Eli.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Let's be honest....Dak was great in 2021....Dak was great in 2016. Romo was great in 2007 and 2014.....

We can say they aren't or weren't "elite"...but they had great seasons and it wasn't enough. At this point I'm convinced if we had Mahomes it wouldn't be enough. Cowboys are trying to win a ring running their organization like a country club and it hasn't been proven to work.

Dak had one of the all time great rookie seasons.

QBs should be treated like RBs. You get em cheap and run them. Spend the savings on the rest of the team.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Absolutely. Eli was not elite. Romo was better than Eli.

Eli only broke the top 10 for passer rating one year in his career.

But 3 times led the league, and 11 total seasons in the top 10 for ... INTs.

Just a crime they're probably going to put him in the HOF.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

First of all this isn’t a Dak bashing thread . I think most fans believe Dak is enough to build around if we had a normal organization.

Many fans want the Cowboys to go All In. And I’m just not sure these Bozo’s are willing to risk their relativity and interest that mediocrity provides them to hype and sell . It’s a comfort zone for them being a playoff contender which keeps the registers ringing.

What I’m proposing is given if everything else stays the same I think the one piece that could elevate or take us to the next level is an Elite QB.

These fools have proven they can build a playoff caliber team around the likes of over achievers like Prescott and Romo but what if we had a Mahomes, Burrows type QB. Could that be enough to take us to the next level. I’d sure like to find out.

I understand there’s only a handful of these type of QB’s in the league . But how far are those teams going without those types of QB’s?

It takes too much of well oiled machine in the front office and coaching to build a Super Bowl contender without one of these type QB’s IMO.

I understand this isn’t something we can do under current contracts but I think ultimately if we truly want this frikin front office to have more of an opportunity to flourish this is the one entity or asset that might be enough to knock the door down. I’d sure like to try at some point.

A great QB could win despite Jerald.

 

[buybuydandavis]

While 2014 was Romo’s most effective season with a championship caliber offense , the Cowboys were not the #1 seed. And I’d agree our defense was our weakness.

But Romo wasn’t an Elite QB even if he had one Elite type season. The reason he was so effective with that offense is because of our punishing running game and OL with league leading rusher.

If Romo was Elite thru his career perhaps we might have finally made it to a championship game.

Tony popped into Elite company in 2007 and 2014. 2007 was probably the best team around him, but he wasn't the best Tony at the time, and they ran into the truly historic Giants D of that season.

Fun fact - Tony's best season QBR? 99.0!
In 2016.

 

[coult44]

First of all this isn’t a Dak bashing thread . I think most fans believe Dak is enough to build around if we had a normal organization.

Many fans want the Cowboys to go All In. And I’m just not sure these Bozo’s are willing to risk their relativity and interest that mediocrity provides them to hype and sell . It’s a comfort zone for them being a playoff contender which keeps the registers ringing.

What I’m proposing is given if everything else stays the same I think the one piece that could elevate or take us to the next level is an Elite QB.

These fools have proven they can build a playoff caliber team around the likes of over achievers like Prescott and Romo but what if we had a Mahomes, Burrows type QB. Could that be enough to take us to the next level. I’d sure like to find out.

I understand there’s only a handful of these type of QB’s in the league . But how far are those teams going without those types of QB’s?

It takes too much of well oiled machine in the front office and coaching to build a Super Bowl contender without one of these type QB’s IMO.

I understand this isn’t something we can do under current contracts but I think ultimately if we truly want this frikin front office to have more of an opportunity to flourish this is the one entity or asset that might be enough to knock the door down. I’d sure like to try at some point.

I think they’ve proven they cannot do it without an elite qb

Romo was good. Wasn’t enough

Dak is good. Not good enough

I think the only chance to carry this team is a super star qb. But they’ll never get one

You don’t need an elite QB to go to the Super Bowl. There are too many examples to list them. Even in this year’s game. Sure Mahomes is Elite, but Hurt is not. Last year Burrow was in the verge. But Stafford was not. We can go on and on.
Here’s the key. If you don’t have an elite QB, you need great players every where.

 

[JBS]

You don’t need an elite QB to go to the Super Bowl. There are too many examples to list them. Even in this year’s game. Sure Mahomes is Elite, but Hurt is not. Last year Burrow was in the verge. But Stafford was not. We can go on and on.
Here’s the key. If you don’t have an elite QB, you need great players every where.

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. This front office isn’t good enough to get to a SB without an elite qb. That’s proven.