News: Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?

[KJJ]

Then your recall skills are lacking. Passer rating was a published stat in newspapers as far back as the 1972 season. It didn't garner the attention of things like rushing yards for a RB, the number of receptions for a WR, or passing yards for a QB, but it was there for those of us with an interest in knowing. I used to check Roger Staubach's rating "ranking" (every Friday morning in my hometown paper) beginning with the 1972 season. Roger had led the league in passer rating in 1971, which caught my attention. Of course, Roger won it again in '73, '78, & '79 - setting what was then a single season record for the stat in his final year. I can promise you that most Cowboy fans were very aware of that area of QB measure during that era. They probably didn't understand it - most still don't- but they were definitely aware of it.

My recall skills are excellent I started following the Cowboys/NFL in 72 I was only 5 years old and didn't start looking at any stats in the paper until I was 11-12. The only stats I paid attention to were passing yards, TD's and completion percentage. The official passer rating formula wasn't adopted until 1973 so say what you will but "most" football fans weren't aware of passer ratings or didn't pay any attention to them back in the 70's. As the game evolved into more passing and the Internet came along including more cable/satellite shows dedicated to NFL football the more we started hearing about passer ratings. We hear about them all the time on Cowboy boards because the passer rating stat is the one stat that puts Romo ahead of most of the greatest QB's to ever play the game.

 

[KJJ]

You'd think he could wrap his brain around the team concept, but it's something that's always been hard for him...and several others around here...to grasp.

I have no problem wrapping my brain around a team concept but the facts are QB's receive most of the credit and blame for how their team performs. It's been like that ever since NFL football began. All it takes is a little common sense to know why Romo is disrespected by some. He's had a number of ill-timed mistakes in important games that have put a negative spotlight on him. Anyone who can come to grips with reality knows he needs a championship to overcome the stigma that he helped create for himself the first 7 years of his career.

 

[DFWJC]

Like I said, fair or not, he probably needs to lead a TEAM to a title.

 

[KJJ]

Like I said, fair or not, he probably needs to lead a TEAM to a title.

That's the nature of the QB position they're judged by playoff wins and championships unless they're setting all-time NFL passing records like Fouts and Marino. Even Fouts and Marino have received some heat for not having great playoff records but they were able to overcome not winning a championship and gain respect with all-time career numbers. A couple of years ago Romo himself said in an interview it's not the stats it's about winning SB's.

 

[KJJ]

I don't get how fans conflate QB play with the rest of the team.

It's not just fans it's the media and NFL teams that do that. Teams that aren't winning dump their QB for another one it's clear who they're putting most of the blame on. Most great QB's make the players around them better. Look at Brady no matter what players you put around him he wins games and puts NE in a position to make the SB every year. He's a had a multitude of different receivers and a slew of average RB's over the years and he still wins. He's the one common denominator in all of NE's championship teams. In 2011 he got the Pats to the SB with the 31st ranked defense.

He's won championships with completely different teams spanning over 14 years. Belichick has cut loose some outstanding players who he felt could still play but were getting a little long in the tooth like a Willie McGinest and Brady still wins despite all the many changes. Montana was the same way winning SB's with completely different teams. He won a SB before Jerry Rice ever arrived. Staubach made every player around him better and he won championships with completely different corp groups. The QB influences the success of a team more than some of you will ever admit which is why the first 2 picks this past April were QB's.

 

[Idgit]

It's not just fans it's the media and NFL teams that do that. Teams that aren't winning dump their QB for another one it's clear who they're putting most of the blame on. Most great QB's make the players around them better. Look at Brady no matter what players you put around him he wins games and puts NE in a position to make the SB every year. He's a had a multitude of different receivers and a slew of average RB's over the years and he still wins. He's the one common denominator in all of NE's championship teams. In 2011 he got the Pats to the SB with the 31st ranked defense.

He's won championships with completely different teams spanning over 14 years. Belichick has cut loose some outstanding players who he felt could still play but were getting a little long in the tooth like a Willie McGinest and Brady still wins despite all the many changes. Montana was the same way winning SB's with completely different teams. He won a SB before Jerry Rice ever arrived. Staubach made every player around him better and he won championships with completely different corp groups. The QB influences the success of a team more than some of you will ever admit which is why the first 2 picks this past April were QB's.

Teams never dump QBs who perform like top players in terms of their individual passer ratings. It just doesn't happen.

Nor do QBs win championships without good teams around them. Brady and Montana included.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Dan Fouts was a passing machine. He did it in the Don Coryell offense. He never really had the defense to propel him into the stratosphere like the Super Bowl winners of his day. If the FO cannot build a competitive team, with a defense which can slow the other offense, then Romo is destined for this history.

Is that a shame? No, it is what it is. Too many years the FO fumbled around learning the game after Jimmy left.

Should Romo be penalized for this? Probably not. But again, it is what it is.

But seeing Romo as a competent quarterback who has been asked to do too much over the years doesn't compell me to cry about what will be his history if the resy of the team doesn't rally to his aid.

I've gotten over the fan-boy attitude a long time ago.

However, this is one of the most reoccurring threads from season to season. And especially off-seasons. I suppose I'll never understand the hurt feelings and angst of those who feel this one player is above all else, including the team.

 

[LatinMind]

unless romo wins a title he will be danny white the sequel

 

[KJJ]

Teams never dump QBs who perform like top players in terms of their individual passer ratings. It just doesn't happen.

Nor do QBs win championships without good teams around them. Brady and Montana included.

Obviously if a QB is performing like a top player statistically and not turning the ball over they're not going to be dumped. Teams who have QB's who are performing at a high level compete for the playoffs every year. The one area you have to focus on with QB's is turnovers because they can maintain a high passer rating despite a lot of turnovers. Drew Brees had a passer rating of 97.0 in 2014 despite 20 turnovers that contributed to the Saints 7-9 record. As for Brady prior to taking over as the Pats starting QB NE was coming off a 5-11 season in 2000 and were off to a 0-2 start in 2001 when Brady came in. He completely turned that team around in one season and the rest is history. Same with Montana the 49ers were a 6-10 team in 1980 until he became their full-time starter. Both QB's turned bad teams into great teams making every player around them better.

 

[KJJ]

The big flaw with the passer rating stat is a QB can commit multiple turnovers and still maintain a high passer rating if they toss multiple TD's and have a high completion percentage. QB's make their teams better Romo made the Cowboys better when he took over. The Cowboys appeared to be going nowhere in 06 with Bledsoe at QB and Romo turned the Cowboys into a playoff team.

 

[jobberone]

I wish I had a kill switch. I've had cars with them. Why can't I have it here, too.

Note to self: Self get kill switch.

Pun intended of course.

 

[KJJ]

FANS always say you win as a team but many of those same FANS say the Cowboys can't win without Romo.

 

[5Stars]

Only for the media idiots.

Give up on that dude! He is never going to give any credit to Romo. By the way, have you noticed that he does not post as much vile against the other parts of the team, but when a Romo thread pops up, he is all over the thread dogging Romo without consideration of what teams he played on.

Then there is his little juvenile FAN stuff, lol.

 

[5Stars]

FANS always say you win as a team but many of those same FANS say the Cowboys can't win without Romo.

Name some of those FANS big boy.

 

[jobberone]

The Cowboys can't win without Romo. It's rare to have a backup good enough to win as a team in this league. It's also true even great QBs need the tools around him to win.

You win as a team but you aren't going to win it all, with rare exception, even with an excellent team if you don't have the QB to do it.

Even with a HOF QB and a great team you still might not win it all. Go ask Kelly, Fouts and Tarkenton.

 

[Rockport]

Give up on that dude! He is never going to give any credit to Romo. By the way, have you noticed that he does not post as much vile against the other parts of the team, but when a Romo thread pops up, he is all over the thread dogging Romo without consideration of what teams he played on.

Then there is his little juvenile FAN stuff, lol.

He thrives on hate. I actually feel sorry for him.

 

[5Stars]

The Cowboys can't win without Romo. It's rare to have a backup good enough to win as a team in this league. It's also true even great QBs need the tools around him to win.

You win as a team but you aren't going to win it all, with rare exception, even with an excellent team if you don't have the QB to do it.

Even with a HOF QB and a great team you still might not win it all. Go ask Kelly, Fouts and Tarkenton.

In one ear and out the other. Kill Switch engaged.

 

[5Stars]

He thrives on hate. I actually feel sorry for him.

Yeah, you would think that a 48 year old dude with his supposed 8 million online followers would have learned the term team...I guess he is just not a FAN! lol

 

[Rockport]

Yeah, you would think that a 48 year old dude with his supposed 8 million online followers would have learned the term team...I guess he is just not a FAN! lol

I'm curious as to why none of those 8 million followers have never come here to defend him. Hmmm.....

 

[DFWJC]

The Cowboys can't win without Romo. It's rare to have a backup good enough to win as a team in this league. It's also true even great QBs need the tools around him to win.

You win as a team but you aren't going to win it all, with rare exception, even with an excellent team if you don't have the QB to do it.

Even with a HOF QB and a great team you still might not win it all. Go ask Kelly, Fouts and Tarkenton.

And really, even with Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers, you are talking about 1 Super Bowl for their entire careers so far. Does that make them failures all those other 35 years or so? I do t see it that way.