News: Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?

[KJJ]

I've seen several shows on NFLN discussing Romo's passer ratings/stats and even the experts say until he wins a championship he's going to have doubters.

 

[5Stars]

I've seen several shows on NFLN discussing Romo's passer ratings/stats and even the experts say until he wins a championship he's going to have doubters.

Who are these experts that you are talking about? lol

Try turning off the TV and learn the game.

 

[CF74]

Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?

Wut? He gets tons of respect around here and by a lot of former QB's. His game is different, it hasn't gone deep into the postseason because different parts failed at different times, and recently he got screwed by NY and Vegas, u know the "Mob," et al.....

But he's got the eye of the tiger again, he's healthy, Babe says he looks better than ever. We got a defense coming up, I'd say he's due with some new pieces around him...

It's going down for real....

 

[percyhoward]

There were seasons in both examples when Brady and Montana missed the majority of the year with injuries, yet their TEAMS didn't miss a beat.

That, and those teams' worst seasons coincide with their lowest rankings in defense and rushing, even though Brady and Montana started every game.

 

[percyhoward]

I've seen several shows on NFLN discussing Romo's passer ratings/stats and even the experts say until he wins a championship he's going to have doubters.

And with that, we take even one more step back. Now we're talking about talking about talking about football.

Which means that now I'm talking about you, talking about some guys you saw on TV talking about how yet another group of people talk about football.

I'd rather just talk about football.

 

[Bullflop]

You know it's the offseason when worn out topics are being repeated that have aleady been covered to excess.

 

[KJJ]

And with that, we take even one more step back. Now we're talking about talking about talking about football.

Which means that now I'm talking about you, talking about some guys you saw on TV talking about how yet another group of people talk about football.

I'd rather just talk about football.

A post with no stats, passer ratings or rankings is that you? LOL You can't just talk about football.

 

[KJJ]

If you want to say that outstanding QB play is important to winning a Super Bowl, I don't know anyone who'd argue with you. It's ridiculous, however, tostate that postseason success is the only stat by which a QB's career is measured. If that were the case...

guys like Marino and Dan Fouts were no better than average QBs...
John Elway was a mediocre QB for the first 14 seasons of his career...
Trent Dilfer belongs in the Hall of Fame

I never said postseason success is the only stat by which a QB's career is measured. It's measured by their regular season performances but they're ultimately judged by how they perform in the postseason unless they're putting up record breaking numbers during the regular season like Peyton Manning, Marino and Fouts. All 3 of those QB's have losing playoff records and only Manning won a championship. Manning is arguably the greatest regular season QB in NFL history but has been average in the postseason. Even the SB he won he didn't play very well. His playoff performances have tarnished his career some and if he didn't have a SB win on his record he would go down as possibly the ultimate choke artist ever based on how great he's played during the regular season earning 5 league MVP's. He has too much put on his shoulders and it catches up with him in the playoffs. Dilfers SB win was complete FLUKE he has some of the worst regular season numbers you'll ever see by a QB who spent 14 years in the league. How he lasted that long is beyond me.

A SB win didn't change the perception anyone had of Dilfer not even that of his own team who dumped him immediately after that SB win. If you took a poll Dilfer would go down as the worst QB to ever win a SB and it took one of the all time great defenses for him to pull it off. A SB win isn't going to change anyone's perception of a below average QB. Romo has been one of the better QB's in the league for his entire 9 year career. He's never had a bad season and if he wins a SB it won't be some fluke he's always produced championship caliber numbers. A SB win will definitely change the perception many have of him because there's always been that "YEAH BUT" with Tony Romo. Great stats BUT little playoff success and no championship. He needs a championship to go along with his great regular season numbers to remove that "YEAH BUT" from the discussions about him.

 

[DFWJC]

Who are these experts that you are talking about? lol

Try turning off the TV and learn the game.

And notice most of the TV analysts (especially the QBs and head Coaches) are not the ones saying this. They are saying there will always be doubters...which is true.

Fwiw, there will also always be KKK members and Black Panther spin-offs and Holocaust deniers too...that doesn't make them right. Quite the opposite.

I'll take responsibility for this, as maybe its my problem.... but after all the highly clutch situations that Romo has come through in (FAR, FAR more than he failed in) I have a hard time respecting the football knowledge of those that are so absolutely sure he can't lead a (good) team to a Super Bowl.

 

[KJJ]

And notice most of the TV analysts (especially the QBs and head Coaches) are not the ones saying this. They are saying there will always be doubters...which is true.

Fwiw, there will also always be KKK members and Black Panther spin-offs and Holocaust deniers too...that doesn't make them right. Quite the opposite.

The majority who are paid to talk about football all speak highly of Romo but concede that until he has more playoff success and wins a championship they'll always be doubters despite all his great numbers. That view has been unanimous amongst those who write about NFL football, coached NFL football, played NFL football and managed NFL teams. They've pointed out all of Romo's terrific plays and his forgettable plays that's helped create a stigma that some Cowboy FANS won't even concede exists. The experts have dissected his numbers which have been very consistent but they keep going back to the many ill-timed mistakes that have marred his career. I've seen a number of in depth discussions about Romo with former players, coaches, GM's and football writers and they all say the same thing his numbers are great and that he's a terrific QB but it's going to take more than great numbers/passer ratings to change this negative perception he has. They've discussed his passer ratings and they've pointed out the same things I have that it's not going to change anything until he leads the Cowboys to a championship.

You have one poster here who's consumed with posting Romo's great numbers and does numerous statistical comparisons between Romo and some of the all-time great QB's. He's wasting his time because we all know he's been terrific statistically and compares with most of these QB's numbers wise but the perception of him will NEVER change until he wins a championship like those QB's that's the bottom line! We have this discussion about Romo all the time and we continue to get bombarded by his passer ratings and the comparisons between him and other QB's. It may gain him a world of respect and HOF status here but until he hoists the Lombardi trophy measuring his effectiveness with the use of stats isn't going to fly anywhere else. His numbers and passer ratings will be taken a lot more seriously when they lead to more playoff wins and a championship. Now watch Percy counter this with another page full of stats, passer ratings and QB comparisons that a few here seem to put more stock in than playoff wins and championships. That's not an exaggeration if you've seen some of the all-time Cowboys QB polls that have some placing Romo ahead of Staubach and Aikman.

 

[5Stars]

You have one poster here who's consumed with posting Romo's great numbers and does numerous statistical comparisons between Romo and some of the all-time great QB's. He's wasting his time because we all know he's been terrific statistically and compares with most of these QB's numbers wise but the perception of him will NEVER change until he wins a championship like those QB's that's the bottom line! We have this discussion about Romo all the time and we continue to get bombarded by his passer ratings and the comparisons between him and other QB's. It may gain him a world of respect and HOF status here but until he hoists the Lombardi trophy measuring his effectiveness with the use of stats isn't going to fly anywhere else. His numbers and passer ratings will be taken a lot more seriously when they lead to more playoff wins and a championship. Now watch Percy counter this with another page full of stats, passer ratings and QB comparisons that a few here seem to put more stock in than playoff wins and championships. That's not an exaggeration if you've seen some of the all-time Cowboys QB polls that have some placing Romo ahead of Staubach and Aikman.

Percy is so in you little head...I love it! lmao @KJJ

 

[KJJ]

Well, since you won't address the issue he raises (surprise, surprise that you conveniently tap dance around it), I'll translate it into simple English.

I'll translate this into simple English you just tap danced your way off my discussion list.

 

[Seven]

You attempt to tell stories with a page full of stats and rankings. You use stats and rankings to try and explain everything. You must love wasting your time. LOL

POT MEET KETTLE!! OMG!!

Back to watching grass grow...............

 

[rpntex]

I'll translate this into simple English you just tap danced your way off my discussion list.

Of course, that's your M.O...

If you can't beat 'em, cry like a little girl and pretend they don't exist.

 

[Rockport]

Of course, that's your M.O...

If you can't beat 'em, cry like a little girl and pretend they don't exist.

Anyone put on ignore by KJJ is a friend of mine.

 

[KJJ]

Dan Fouts was a passing machine. He did it in the Don Coryell offense. He never really had the defense to propel him into the stratosphere like the Super Bowl winners of his day. If the FO cannot build a competitive team, with a defense which can slow the other offense, then Romo is destined for this history.

San Diego led the league in offense in 80 and 81. The Chargers had the #1 ranked offense and the 6th ranked defense in 1980. Fouts only completed 48.9% of his passes vs Oakland in the playoffs and had 2 picks that helped cost San Diego that game. The following year in 81 Fouts set an NFL record of 4802 yards and although the Chargers D ranked 27th Fouts again didn't play well in the Chargers loss to Cinn in the AFC title game. He claimed he had trouble gripping the ball in the extremely cold weather and only passed for 185 yards and had 2 int's. Fouts' TD to turnover ratio in both playoff losses in 80 and 81 was 3-4. Granted the Chargers D wasn't very good in 81 but they were able to overcome it with great offensive play and it was mostly their offense that killed them in both playoff losses. The turnovers and lack of offensive efficiency put San Diego's D in a bind. Through the years with Romo we've heard if only he had a running game. We've heard if only he had a solid OL and we've heard if he only had a defense. At the end of the 09 season the Cowboys defense was playing the best I can remember in a decade. They ended that season with back to back shutouts and Anthony Spencer had stepped up and was playing the best football of his career.

After a dominating playoff win over Philly it all fell apart vs Minn the following week. Romo is never going to have a perfect team there's always going to be a chink somewhere. If the defense improves in 2015 the hole at RB may cost them. Good teams overcome some flaws because all teams even SB winning teams have some weaknesses. Seattle doesn't have a Dez Bryant or any big time receivers. The Pats were a long way from a perfectly solid team they had some holes but Brady makes everything work. After NE was blown out by KC Belichick was being criticized for not putting enough around Brady and that propelled NE into 7 straight wins. It's never going to be perfect for Romo had Murray returned coupled with the defensive additions the Cowboys have made this looked like a legit championship team possibly the best Romo has had but with questions at RB everything is up in the air.

 

[KJJ]

You can pretty much say the same thing about Romo. He carries the team. Without him, this team is garbage.

You just backed up what I said a few days ago.

FANS always say you win as a team but many of those same FANS say the Cowboys can't win without Romo.

I've pointed out throughout this thread most teams aren't very good if they don't have a real solid QB. I pointed out the Pats record prior to Brady taking over. Let's be clear Romo didn't carry the team last season Murray did. He was the player the Cowboys rode to the playoffs and kept Romo from having to carry the team. It was Romo being able to play within himself that led to the most efficient season of his career. If he has to put the ball up more in 2015 his efficiency will likely go down and his mistakes will likely go up.

 

[Kevinicus]

And notice most of the TV analysts (especially the QBs and head Coaches) are not the ones saying this. They are saying there will always be doubters...which is true.

Fwiw, there will also always be KKK members and Black Panther spin-offs and Holocaust deniers too...that doesn't make them right. Quite the opposite.

I'll take responsibility for this, as maybe its my problem.... but after all the highly clutch situations that Romo has come through in (FAR, FAR more than he failed in) I have a hard time respecting the football knowledge of those that are so absolutely sure he can't lead a (good) team to a Super Bowl.

I once saw a segment where "experts" were discussing pretenders and contenders for each conference. When Dallas was brought up, Ladanian Tomlinson said the Cowboys were pretenders because of Romo's lack of success in the playoffs. He said he knew Romo didn't have the best support, but in the playoffs it was all about the QB. Immediately following that, they asked who the pretender was in the AFC crop and LT said the Patriots because as great as Brady was, he just didn't have the team around him that year.

That's the kind of mental gymnastics the many posters have displayed on this board over the years. Regular Season or Playoffs, it is far more about the team than the QB. QB > any other single player. Team >>>>>>>>>> QB.

 

[KJJ]

It is as simple as this...you are a wasted conversation, and insulting.

Seeing you feel that way this shouldn't hurt too much...see ya!

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[KJJ]

I once saw a segment where "experts" were discussing pretenders and contenders for each conference. When Dallas was brought up, Ladanian Tomlinson said the Cowboys were pretenders because of Romo's lack of success in the playoffs. He said he knew Romo didn't have the best support, but in the playoffs it was all about the QB. Immediately following that, they asked who the pretender was in the AFC crop and LT said the Patriots because as great as Brady was, he just didn't have the team around him that year.

That's the kind of mental gymnastics the many posters have displayed on this board over the years. Regular Season or Playoffs, it is far more about the team than the QB. QB > any other single player. Team >>>>>>>>>> QB.

No one has a crystal ball not even those who played and coached the game but it does come down to the play of the QB most of the time in the playoffs. I don't agree that it's "all" about the QB but playoff games and SB's usually come down to the QB having to make a play we saw that this past season. You're not going to have much of a team without a solid QB. You take Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Brady, Peyton Manning and several other solid QB's off their teams and none of those teams will be near the same.

Look at Denver before Manning got there and look at Indy after Manning left they went 2-14. Andrew Luck turned a 2-14 Colts team into an 11-5 playoff team overnight. Luck has already won 3 playoff games leading the Colts to the AFC title game last season. The Colts would be a 5-8 win team at best without Luck. When Luck plays poorly the Colts get killed look at their game vs the Cowboys and their playoff game vs NE. It's practically a one man show in Indy.