News: Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?
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It's falls all on the guy standing on the sidelines wearing headsets. LOL
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I watched as much football back then as I do now and don't recall any talk about passer ratings until the 90s. The Internet coming along enabled fans to look up stats in detail and we started seeing passer rating stats. That's when I first recall seeing them.
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If you were sitting at a roundtable consisting of football experts and made the comment that the failure to win a championship falls upon the head coach and not any of his players you would receive some strange looks and be laughed at.
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It is as simple as this...you are a wasted conversation, and insulting.
Show how Dan Marino is a superior quarterback to Tony Romo, but with something more than your personalized disclaimer. Actually prove it, and without just tossing out a disjointed point.
Actually contribute more than an attitude...
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You can pretty much say the same thing about Romo. He carries the team. Without him, this team is garbage. Romo has lost some playoff games, but generally, played pretty well. Luck has had some laughable collapses, like his Tim Tebow like performance against NE this past year. 36% passing for 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Or his 48% passing the year before against NE for 2 TDs and 4 INTs.
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Passer rating was created by the NFL in 1973 in order to determine each season's passing leader. When Staubach led the league in passer rating that year, he was recognized as the winner of the passing title. Before that point, different criteria (such as yards or completion percentage) were used to determine who won the passing title, but those criteria don't correlate highly with winning, because they favor dink-and-dunk QB who could win the passing title based on a high completion percentage, and QB on bad teams who could win it by piling up huge yardage totals in garbage time.. Hence the switch to passer rating, a formula which incorporates all of the elements of passing -- completion %, yards per attempt, TD %, and INT %. That was 1973.
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.aspx?release_id=1303
In 1979, Staubach won his fourth passing title. When he retired after that season, it was widely publicized that Staubach had the highest career passer rating in the history of the league. Writing for the Dallas Morning News, Carlton Stowers mentioned this prominently when he covered the announcement of Staubach's retirement.
Seasons Among Top 10 Passers
(adjusted for league sizes in different eras)
Peyton Manning (15) 1999-2010, 2012-14
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (12) 2001-07, 09-12, 2014
Sammy Baugh (10) 1937, 40-45, 47-49
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 56, 57, 61-63
Ben Roethlisberger (9) 2004-05, 07, 09-14
Drew Brees (9) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-14
Otto Graham (8) 1947, 49-54, 55
Charlie Conerly (8) 1948-49, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (8) 1950-53, 55, 57, 59-60
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Tony Romo (8) 2006-09, 11-14
There sure are a lot of Hall of Fame QB on that list, and not a lot of clutter. Maybe it's time to give Romo his due, even for an old die-hard whose memory plays tricks on him.
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Passer rating was created by the NFL in 1973 in order to determine each season's passing leader. When Staubach led the league in passer rating that year, he was recognized as the winner of the passing title. Before that point, different criteria (such as yards or completion percentage) were used to determine who won the passing title, but those criteria don't correlate highly with winning, because they favor dink-and-dunk QB who could win the passing title based on a high completion percentage, and QB on bad teams who could win it by piling up huge yardage totals in garbage time.. Hence the switch to passer rating, a formula which incorporates all of the elements of passing -- completion %, yards per attempt, TD %, and INT %. That was 1973.
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.aspx?release_id=1303
In 1979, Staubach won his fourth passing title. When he retired after that season, it was widely publicized that Staubach had the highest career passer rating in the history of the league. Writing for the Dallas Morning News, Carlton Stowers mentioned this prominently when he covered the announcement of Staubach's retirement.
Seasons Among Top 10 Passers
(adjusted for league sizes in different eras)
Peyton Manning (15) 1999-2010, 2012-14
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (12) 2001-07, 09-12, 2014
Sammy Baugh (10) 1937, 40-45, 47-49
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 56, 57, 61-63
Ben Roethlisberger (9) 2004-05, 07, 09-14
Drew Brees (9) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-14
Otto Graham (8) 1947, 49-54, 55
Charlie Conerly (8) 1948-49, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (8) 1950-53, 55, 57, 59-60
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Tony Romo (8) 2006-09, 11-14
There sure are a lot of Hall of Fame QB on that list, and not a lot of clutter. Maybe it's time to give Romo his due, even for an old die-hard whose memory plays tricks on him.
I feel that Tony Romo will have three more highly productive seasons with the Cowboys. That will move him up there with Dan Marino.
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You mean 'when" don't you?
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Yes .....as long as his back holds out and Jerry lets Garrett run the team.
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Just telling it like it is to say the failure to win a championship falls upon the head coach and not their players ranks in the top 10 most ridiculous comments I've ever read on this board and that's saying a lot. It's players that win games every head coach will tell you that. Practically every great head coach except for Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs had HOF QB's. The QB position alone greatly impacts the success of an NFL HC. Many great NFL head coaches would have never won the number of games they did or a championship without a great QB. Belichick was going nowhere as an NFL HC until Tom Brady came along. Belichick was on the hot seat in 2001 sitting at 0-2 to start the season after just coming off a 5-11 season and everything changed when Bledsoe went out with an injury and Brady came in.
You actually want me to prove how Dan Marino is a superior QB to Tony Romo? LOL Go find a list ranking the all-time greatest QB's and see if you can find one that ranks Romo ahead of Marino...good luck! When Dan Marino retired he was the all-time career yardage/TD pass leader and still ranks 3rd in both categories on that list. He's regarded by many as the greatest pure passer in the history of the game. He was the first QB to ever pass for over 5000 yards and he accomplished that feat 31 years ago before a number of rule changes opened up the passing game. He put up record breaking yards with 2 WR's that will never sniff the HOF and he never had a great back or a solid running game. All his records were accomplished before the league became pass happy. Marino won more playoff games than Romo has appeared in. Do I need to go on? LOL
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Can't say the same thing about Romo he's had much more talented teams than Luck. Romo didn't start his career with a 2-14 team and turn them into an 11-5 playoff team overnight. Twice in Lucks 3 year career he had to attempt over 600 passes. Luck has nothing around him which is why he had such a poor performance vs NE. If I could have one QB to start a team he would be the guy.
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Passer rating was created by the NFL in 1973 in order to determine each season's passing leader. When Staubach led the league in passer rating that year, he was recognized as the winner of the passing title. Before that point, different criteria (such as yards or completion percentage) were used to determine who won the passing title, but those criteria don't correlate highly with winning, because they favor dink-and-dunk QB who could win the passing title based on a high completion percentage, and QB on bad teams who could win it by piling up huge yardage totals in garbage time.. Hence the switch to passer rating, a formula which incorporates all of the elements of passing -- completion %, yards per attempt, TD %, and INT %. That was 1973.
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.aspx?release_id=1303
In 1979, Staubach won his fourth passing title. When he retired after that season, it was widely publicized that Staubach had the highest career passer rating in the history of the league. Writing for the Dallas Morning News, Carlton Stowers mentioned this prominently when he covered the announcement of Staubach's retirement.
Seasons Among Top 10 Passers
(adjusted for league sizes in different eras)
Peyton Manning (15) 1999-2010, 2012-14
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (12) 2001-07, 09-12, 2014
Sammy Baugh (10) 1937, 40-45, 47-49
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 56, 57, 61-63
Ben Roethlisberger (9) 2004-05, 07, 09-14
Drew Brees (9) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-14
Otto Graham (8) 1947, 49-54, 55
Charlie Conerly (8) 1948-49, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (8) 1950-53, 55, 57, 59-60
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Tony Romo (8) 2006-09, 11-14
There sure are a lot of Hall of Fame QB on that list, and not a lot of clutter. Maybe it's time to give Romo his due, even for an old die-hard whose memory plays tricks on him.
I know when passer ratings were created and I'm sure you were burning the midnight oil obsessed with them then. lol Passer ratings mean little in todays game because the rules have perfected the performance of QB's and it shows in their passer ratings. The rules allowed an average QB like Nick Foles to have the 3rd highest passer rating for a season in NFL history. Six of the highest passer rating seasons ever were from current QB's. Even average QB's have higher passer ratings than many HOF QB's. Mark Sanchez had a higher career passer rating with the Jets than Joe Namath. When you look at the all-time passer rating list 7 of the all-time leaders are current QB's. You want to waste time with them feel free.
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Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?
By Tom Ryle
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...ny-romo-ever-get-the-respect-his-play-demands
There are few NFL players more polarizing than Tony Romo. People who write about and just follow the NFL alike seem to either think very highly of him, or still believe he is a second-rate quarterback who chokes at crucial times. In past years, he has gotten the usual disproportionate credit for the lack of success of the Dallas Cowboys, but after the very strong year he had in 2014, he has not gotten the commensurate praise from many of the same sources. For fans of the team who have seen how much of the load he carried on his shoulders in the bad years, and who were so thrilled to see him have success last year, it is maddening. Especially when you consider that he is one of the better citizens in the league.
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IDK what people like to see in Tony Romo. He is a good QB and i am happy we have one. But he is not great nor is he a top 5 QB.
That said, IMO he gets all the respect his play demands.
For sure his stats last season were really good and the best of his career. But does that make him a great QB ? I think no.
There is a saying that every NFL QB can pick a defense apart when he has enough time. And time was what Romo had last year.
A great QB needs 3-4 secs to go thru 2-3 reads and delivers a completion. Romo cant do that. He always needed more time. Approxim. 2 secs more. That does not make him a bad QB but it's not something that sets him apart from mediocrity. He cant throw the deep ball with good enough precission that the defense really feels threatened. Last but not least he has troubles with the pre snap reads. Especially with setting up protections against the blitz and diagnosing opposing player roles. You can see there are reasons why he went as a FA and that he has limits talent wise.
Still he is a good QB. He is precise in the shorter routes. He is very coachable. He seems to have the trust of his offensive (and defensive!) players. They gather around him so there is some leader ability that he has. I put a ! behind defensive players because i think that is not always a given. Also Romo gives people the feeling he gives everything for the team and the success of the team and is a warrior on the field. I dont see him that way (in fact i think he is more of the opposite) but because people belive in him that makes him a good choice for us.
Romo made plays with his so called Houdini moves. They are great to watch for sure. But in fact he does not do it that often like it feels for the viewer when he remembers Romo play. We often tend to exaggerate when we remember good situations from the past. Romo needed (needs) more time in the pocket to play to his full strength. To let his talent shine thru. IMO the FO understood that - they conviced JJ (which was the to me harder part) and together made the right decessions. The invested in people who are able to give Romo the time he needs to succeed.
All in all i think Romo is a good QB but he is not near the top five. He is not in the same class like Rodger, Brees, Brady, Payton & Eli Manning, Rothlisberger or Luck. Does he belong in the top ten ? IDK. But he gets payed like a top 5 QB so the latter question is not really relevant to me.
We gave Romo a very high contract that his play and his age did not justify until then. We were under preasure because we made mistakes in the years before. The contract still was a mistake in my eyes but we mitigated it by investing in the right people after that. So it has his upside to have Romo playing for us for that much money. Still it is a measuring stick for Romo and he has to live with tougher critics because of it.
Really, personally, i am thru with Romo as a player. Too many times he disappointed me in the way he prepared for the season or/and for games. But the FO IMO has understood the weaknesses of him and build a team around him to succeed. Dont misunderstand me he is no bus driver, he has alot to to do with our success but they stripped some responsibility from him in which he was really bad and it showes (in a positiv manner).
To me Romos success is more the work and feel for his talents of the FO then his own work. I am really happy with our setup right now. Garrett and McClay seem to know the right direction and Stephen and Jerry seem to listen to them. I hope these people will be Cowboys for a long time.
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Holy Cow
Of course you can judge my posting because of two personal point of views i wrote down instead of mentioning the main part. But you for sure have noticed that i did not put work into it to justify. The reason is that i think they are not that relevant in regards to the main topic. But i wanted them to be said (just because they are also my oppinion and to show that the way i feel about Romo has nothing to do with the way i judge his play)
My post has alot of arguments in regards to the main topic. It feels a bit strange to get an answer like that without even mentioning the rest of my post. But if you want to discuss my personal feelings about Romo feel free to do so.
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If you feel that way you should either not respond or put me on ignore. I gave you an honest opinion of what the experts would have done had you made that comment to them and if you found it insulting you shouldn't post your opinions on a public forum.
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Well, it was just those comments that were mind-boggling. The rest was not.
- You think Romo's not in the same class as Eli? Come in!
- You not don't think Romo--of all people-- is all in with the team emotionally and physicall...in fact you think the exact opposite? wth?
- And finally, you are "through with Romo as a player"...that being the Romo who led the league in passer rating in both the regular season and playoffs last year and powered through it, most likely, in pretty bad pain in doing so.
Sorry, but those comments were specifically worth taking specific note of.
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Foles' season was legit -- the catch is, it was just one season. That doesn't indicate a problem with passer rating any more than Foles' 27 TD and 5 turnovers shows a problem with your TD/turnover ratio. The real problem is that the sample is too small. Don't focus on the one-hit wonders, look at the players who are Top 10 year in and year out. Manning, Rodgers, and Romo have ranked in the top 10 every qualifying season.
You can't just look at the raw numbers, because as you say, changes in the game make passer ratings higher. Look at the next two pieces of information. These are both all-time rankings. In the first comparison, Romo ranks 2nd and Montana 10th. In the second one, Montana ranks 2nd and Romo 11th.
Comparison by raw passer rating
2. Romo 97.6
10. Montana 92.3
Comparison by rank in passer rating (top 10 seasons)
2. Montana 12 seasons
11. Romo 8 seasons
Do you think it's easier to rank among the Top 10 passers in the 2010s than it was in the 1980s? Of course not.