News: Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?

[KJJ]

And are you including only games lost? Because when the Eagles were 9-3 last year, basically every game was considered an "elimination game". Along with the NFC Playoff hunt that was just crazy this year, and tiebreaker scenario in which we undoubted had to "win and in", those should by all means be considered "elimination games".

Sorry, but an "elimination game" is where two division opponents that are playing each other are facing elimination in week 17. Win they're in lose they go home. Looks as if you're going to have to stay after class. LOL

 

[KJJ]

Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's own beliefs or hypotheses. Romo's ratio is 8/4 in the six playoff games, and 4/8 in the three regular season elimination games. The only way to conclude that Romo's performance drops off in the postseason is to redefine "postseason."

That means lumping in playoff teams with non-playoff teams, with the only common denominator being that a loss ended their season. Is this justified? Compare the teams Romo had for these games minus Romo and the pass offense. Combining the Cowboys' season rankings in pass defense and rushing TD, these are the teams Romo has had to work with:

2006 12th (20th, 3rd)
2007 8th (5th, 10th)
2008 21st (20th, 22nd)
2009 16th (16th, 15th)
2011 28th (25th, 30th)
2012 28th (29th, 27th)
2014 9th (13th, 5th)

Playoff seasons are in bold. Romo had 4 TD/8 turnovers in these games in years when the rest of the team ranked 21st or worse (non-playoff teams). He had 8 TD/4 turnovers when the rest of the team ranked 16th or better (playoff teams). We can't just assume that this is a coincidence. On the surface, it looks like Romo has played better when he's had good teams, and has tried to force the issue when he's had bad teams.

The average point margin in the three regular season "elimination" games when he committed his turnovers was -13.75 points. Up until 2012 in Washington, it was actually -21.4 points. Until that game, he'd had zero turnovers when the opponent had less than a 13-point lead in the game. So while it's safe to say that Romo was pressing in that game in Washington in 2012, there's no evidence of a pattern in either of the other games.

In order to conclude that Romo plays poorly in "elimination" games, you'd have to show that his performance depends on the mere fact that it was an elimination game -- and that it doesn't depend on factors like the score of the game, or the quality of the team around him.

I can only imagine the time you waste tabulating all of that. LOL No stat, ranking, passer rating or QB comparison you've ever posted or ever will is going to change the perception of Romo until you can add a championship to all of that.

 

[KJJ]

That whole fiasco was a Parcells flub.

Your starting QB is a place holder?

That was straight up Bill Parcells, old school stubbornness.

Romo was Parcells backup QB for the first 6 games and had he changed holders after Romo took over as the starter and the same thing happened at Seattle with a different holder you and others would have blamed him for making the change. Romo had been very solid holding for kicks ever since he took over that job. He was solid on the 3 previous holds prior to his bobble. There would have been plenty of second guessing had Parcells made a change at holder and they would have been the one to botch the hold in Seattle.

 

[percyhoward]

No stat, ranking, passer rating or QB comparison you've ever posted or ever will is going to change the perception of Romo until you can add a championship to all of that.

Remember, TD/turnover ratio was your suggestion, as you consider it to be an important stat that carries a lot of weight. How do you explain Romo's 2:1 ratio (8 TD, 4 turnovers) in postseason?

 

[Seven]

Romo was Parcells backup QB for the first 6 games and had he changed holders after Romo took over as the starter and the same thing happened at Seattle with a different holder you and others would have blamed him for making the change. Romo had been very solid holding for kicks ever since he took over that job. He was solid on the 3 previous holds prior to his bobble. There would have been plenty of second guessing had Parcells made a change at holder and they would have been the one to botch the hold in Seattle.

Really? Thanks in advance for thinking FOR me.

You'd be wrong, again.

I was ALL for a back up QB to hold. Every time, twice on Sundays.

Did you not read my original post?

I blame Parcells.....................NOT Romo.

Your spin is irrelevant.

 

[KJJ]

Really? Thanks in advance for thinking FOR me.

You'd be wrong, again.

I was ALL for a back up QB to hold. Every time, twice on Sundays.

Did you not read my original post?

I blame Parcells.....................NOT Romo.

Your spin is irrelevant.

I read your post and you're blaming Parcells for Romo bobbling a snap which had been his job entering the season. Putting the blame on Parcells for a mistake Romo made is ridiculous. It's typical of this board to point the finger of blame for every mistake Romo has made on someone else. Romo takes snaps every game from a center and had been flawless holding for kicks until that moment. He bobbled the snap and unfortunately it's been the signature play of his career. If he never wins a ring that play will be the one he's best remembered for.

 

[KJJ]

Remember, TD/turnover ratio was your suggestion, as you consider it to be an important stat that carries a lot of weight. How do you explain Romo's 2:1 ratio (8 TD, 4 turnovers) in postseason?

Prior to last season Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 4-4 in the playoffs which was partially responsible for his 1-3 playoff record. His bobbled snap in 06 during the playoffs vs Seattle doesn't go down as a turnover but that was more costly than any turnover he's ever had and it greatly contributed to the Cowboys losing that game. In the 4 playoff games Romo has lost only once did he have the better TD to turnover ratio over the winning QB and that was vs Seattle and Matt Hasselbeck. In 2 of Romo's playoff losses vs Seattle and Green Bay he had a much higher passer rating than either Hasselbeck or Aaron Rodgers which puts a hole in your opinion that a QB's passer rating is the highest correlation to winning.

 

[Satchel89]

I feel like in this day and age, unless you win a Super Bowl you will never be considered a true elite QB. Look at Eli for example, he's won two MIRACULOUS super bowls on the back of his defense and some extremely fortunate circumstances (the Tyree catch, Welker dropping two passes that he would normally catch). Eli is considered a top tier QB when he's a game manager (i.e. Trent Dilfer). The days of the Marinos who dominated the QB position for years but never wont a super bowl and STILL getting elected to the HoF are gone I believe. Do I believe the Cowboys will win a SB with Romo at QB, hell yes, maybe even multiple with a little luck. But, i honestly believe that even if Romo wins a SB he will still have his critics and naysayers. Just comes with being the QB of the Cowboys.

Also, I refer back to the saying "you never get a second chance at a first impression". His first impression in this league was a gunslinger who fumbles snaps on FGs and throws INTs in the 4th quarter of crucial games. That's a hard association to break especially in the public eye. I hear it from Commanders fans and Eagles fans all the time (I live in Virginia), "I'll just wait for Tony Homo to choke it away like he usually does." or "Ya'll's problem is Romo, once you replace him you guys will be better." This just goes to show how much people listen to the media and take what they say as their own opinion. I've said for years that Romo was not the problem and while the statistics back me up, he has not won in the court of public opinion and won't win until he throws a clutch TD in the super bowl for the win or something drastic like Elway's performance in the late 90's.

I hear the same thing all the time and I'm in Iowa. Can he get that one Super Bowl win? He deserves it. It sucks because every mistake he makes is magnified 10 times because he's the QB of the Cowboys. It is hard to believe that Eli Manning with his dopey mouth-open face has won 2 Super Bowls. I agree with you that the Media is an absolute joke when it comes to QB's. They love Matt Ryan and he's good but not great. Heath Evans on NFL Network would like to marry him if he could. Kaepernick was Sensational and Electric and blah blah. I could keep going and everyone knows who I would be talking about. Hopefully the Cowboys can win one with him and then we don't have to hear all the garbage and misinformation that we see or read about him

 

[percyhoward]

Prior to last season Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 4-4 in the playoffs.

You didn't answer the question. All you did was leave out the latest playoff season, making the sample even smaller, and the numbers even less representative of the overall sample. The question was "how do you explain the 2:1 ratio in the playoffs?"

In 2 of Romo's playoff losses vs Seattle and Green Bay he had a much higher passer rating than either Hasselbeck or Aaron Rodgers which puts a hole in your opinion that a QB's passer rating is the highest correlation to winning.

That's two games. Here are the last 1,364 games.

W-L%, 2010-14
120+ W 293 L 28 .913
100-119.9 W 374 L 138 .730
90-99.9 W 201 L 171 .532
80-89.9 W 195 L 209 .483
60-79.9 W 216 L 459 .320
below 60 W 67 L 378 .151

If your QB has a rating of 100 or better, you'll win 80% of the time. If it's worse than 80.0, you'll lose 75% of the time. Anything in between, and you've got slightly better than a 50/50 chance of winning. And that's not anybody's "opinion."

 

[5Stars]

Blah blah blah. Bottom line is he needs to win a ring before he gets any type of respect, team or no team.

It's the way it is. Get over it.

You really sound foolish thinking he can do it by himself. smh

 

[KJJ]

You didn't answer the question. All you did was leave out the latest playoff season, making the sample even smaller, and the numbers even less representative of the overall sample. The question was "how do you explain the 2:1 ratio in the playoffs?"


That's two games. Here are the last 1,364 games.

W-L%, 2010-14
120+ W 293 L 28 .913
100-119.9 W 374 L 138 .730
90-99.9 W 201 L 171 .532
80-89.9 W 195 L 209 .483
60-79.9 W 216 L 459 .320
below 60 W 67 L 378 .151

If your QB has a rating of 100 or better, you'll win 80% of the time. If it's worse than 80.0, you'll lose 75% of the time. Anything in between, and you've got slightly better than a 50/50 chance of winning. And that's not anybody's "opinion."

I mentioned the Packers game Romo had a 143.6 passer rating compared to a 125.4 for Rodgers and Romo still lost. Although Romo had an 89.6 passer rating vs Seattle in the playoffs in 06 he still lost to Matt Hasselbeck who had 66.9. Although Romo's passer ratings smoked both Rodgers and Hasselbeck he still lost which shoots some holes in your theory that a QB's passer rating correlates to winning more than any other stat. This thread is about whether Romo can get the respect his play deserves and as usual with threads like this you bog them down with an assortment of passer ratings, stats and QB comparisons that are a complete waste of time when looking at the big picture.

Romo needs a championship to get the respect his play deserves that's the bottom line. I'm not about play question and answer with all the stats you want to throw at me. If you want to make an argument for Romo vs QB's who are locks for the HOF you're going to need a championship from him that would speak much louder than any passer rating stat you've ever tabulated.

 

[gmoney112]

Nice work, but you also excluded spotlight games, do or die games, lights shine bright games, when it matters most games, and a host of other games dreamed up by loonies attempting to make the Cowboys look bad. Please include them.

But there's too many to count.

Besides, that'd ruin a perfectly good agenda.

 

[KJJ]

W-L%, 2010-14
120+ W 293 L 28 .913
100-119.9 W 374 L 138 .730
90-99.9 W 201 L 171 .532
80-89.9 W 195 L 209 .483
60-79.9 W 216 L 459 .320
below 60 W 67 L 378 .151

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[5Stars]

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You better yawn because you got schooled!

 

[DallasEast]

Only on Cowboyszone can you find someone making an argument that a large sample population is not as relevant as a small sampling.

Percy, you have my utmost respect. Good luck but you're hitting a brick wall.

 

[5Stars]

Only on Cowboyszone can you find someone making an argument that a large sample population is not as relevant as a small sampling.

Percy, you have my utmost respect. Good luck but you're hitting a brick wall.

This whole Romo like/bash thread reminds me of the Al Pacino quote that went something like "we either lose as a team, or we die as individuals".

 

[percyhoward]

This thread is about whether Romo can get the respect his play deserves and as usual with threads like this you bog them down with an assortment of passer ratings, stats and QB comparisons that are a complete waste of time when looking at the big picture..

So explain Romo's 2:1 ratio in the playoffs, then watch this thread take off to the ionosphere.

 

[KJJ]

So explain Romo's 2:1 ratio in the playoffs, then watch this thread take off to the ionosphere.

I know your MO all too well sorry not about to waste my time playing question and answer. If you want Romo to get the respect his play deserves stop bogging threads down with stats, QB comparisons and passer ratings that have done nothing to raise his level of respect and wait until he wins a SB.

 

[CCBoy]

So explain Romo's 2:1 ratio in the playoffs, then watch this thread take off to the ionosphere.

Trying to get a factual response from that poster, who still clings onto Romo deserves what he gets and Jerry is evil, is like looking for Christmas snowfall in Phoenix, Az.

,,,and I can hardly await an agenda filled label as well.

 

[DallasEast]

This whole Romo like/bash thread reminds me of the Al Pacino quote that went something like "we either lose as a team, or we die as individuals".

lol. It reminds me of another Pacino quote: You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole thread trial is out of order!