Can we discuss that play call? (56 yd FG)

[Bleu Star]

I think the argument is that a 25 yard net is not worth much, so either kick the FG or go for it. If we had Matt Briar in his prime, he probably could have killed it inside the ten.

I think a 25 yard net places them around the 20 yard line. I'd take that in a heartbeat in a closely contested chess match. I would have even been ok with going for it vs a knee jerk 56 yard FG.

 

[links18]

I think a 25 yard net places them around the 20 yard line. I'd take that in a heartbeat in a closely contested chess match.

I agree with you given that at this point in the game SD hadn't figured out our defense yet, but giving them ball at their twenty is not exactly "pinning them deep."

 

[Toruk_Makto]

JG had confidence in Bailey. We all have confidence in Bailey.

People have been calling him automatic all offseason.

Coach calls his number...and people get upset?

The hypocrisy is pretty stunning.

 

[Idgit]

I think a 25 yard net places them around the 20 yard line. I'd take that in a heartbeat in a closely contested chess match. I would have even been ok with going for it vs a knee jerk 56 yard FG.

Give me a pass with Tony's 6.6 APC and 73% CPCT from today, every time. I don't have much interest in a 25 yard net punt in that situation.

 

[theebs]

Next year when Zimmer is here as head coach we will probably have a go for it coach whose job it is to say yes or no on obvious field goal or punt situations.

 

[Idgit]

I agree with you given that at this point in the game SD hadn't figured out our defense yet, but giving them ball at their twenty is not exactly "pinning them deep."

It also discounts the possibility of a better return. You're unlikely to pin them back much farther than their own 20 punting from there, though. I think a punt would have been the worst move. The FG being the second worst. A pass play the best.

 

[Bleu Star]

JG had confidence in Bailey. We all have confidence in Bailey.

People have been calling him automatic all offseason.

Coach calls his number...and people get upset?

The hypocrisy is pretty stunning.

Sorry. You're mistaken. There's no hypocrisy. Just devoted fans trying to break down the psychology of that decision. You're free to not click to open.

 

[links18]

JG had confidence in Bailey. We all have confidence in Bailey.

People have been calling him automatic all offseason.

Coach calls his number...and people get upset?

The hypocrisy is pretty stunning.

Its not about calling Bailey's number, its about game situation awareness. Why call on him to kick a career best FG in a tight game and risk shifting momentum by handing San Diego excellent field position?

 

[links18]

It also discounts the possibility of a better return. You're unlikely to pin them back much farther than their own 20 punting from there, though. I think a punt would have been the worst move. The FG being the second worst. A pass play the best.

Your position has merit.

 

[theebs]

JG had confidence in Bailey. We all have confidence in Bailey.

People have been calling him automatic all offseason.

Coach calls his number...and people get upset?

The hypocrisy is pretty stunning.

In no way shape or form do you kick that field goal in that situation, absolutely never.

And if you think back a few months this was what that moron Garrett was going to do against the steelers last year at the end of the game. It was a 60 yarder and someone talked him out of it and we won on defense.

I guess since this is his only responsibility no one an talk him out if it now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Next year when Zimmer is here as head coach we will probably have a go for it coach whose job it is to say yes or no on obvious field goal or punt situations.

Oh no you didn't.

 

[links18]

In no way shape or form do you kick that field goal in that situation, absolutely never.

And if you think back a few months this was what that moron Garrett was going to do against the steelers last year at the end of the game. It was a 60 yarder and someone talked him out of it and we won on defense.

I guess since this is his only responsibility no one an talk him out if it now.

But at least he has confidence in his kicker!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Punting in no man's land is often the worst decision that coaches make over and over...because it's the "accepted" way to play.

In No man's land you either should go for it or kick the field goal but teams just do what's always been done...despite what the actual analysis says.

A punt that nets you 25 yards does what exactly? Did not this SD offense carve us up?

25 yards is the difference?

JG showed confidence in his player and actually did what one is supposed to do.

Punting on your opponents 40 is the biggest consistent mistake all coaches make. Because it's "safe."

And they'll keep doing it because of threads like this. Where they get skewered when it doesn't work.

 

[Idgit]

In no way shape or form do you kick that field goal in that situation, absolutely never.

And if you think back a few months this was what that moron Garrett was going to do against the steelers last year at the end of the game. It was a 60 yarder and someone talked him out of it and we won on defense.

I guess since this is his only responsibility no one an talk him out if it now.

What's the argument against the FG there, exactly? Say he's likely to hit 7/10 of those, given what you know from pregame. That's an 70% shot at 3 points, vs, what? Giving up an average of ~30 yards or so of field position on the 30% chance you miss it. I don't think that's an awful risk to take. It's a risk, sure, but it's not a crazy one, is it?

 

[Bleu Star]

Punting in no man's land is often the worst decision that coaches make over and over...because it's the "accepted" way to play.

In No man's land you either should go for it or kick the field goal but teams just do what's always been done...despite what the actual analysis says.

A punt that nets you 25 yards does what exactly? Did not this SD offense carve us up?

25 yards is the difference?

JG showed confidence in his player and actually did what one is supposed to do.

Punting on your opponents 40 is the biggest consistent mistake all coaches make. Because it's "safe."

And they'll keep doing it because of threads like this. Where they get skewered when it doesn't work.

Punting or going for it is the right call. Lining your kicker up for a career long early in a field position chess match is garbage greedy bush league management.

 

[links18]

Punting in no man's land is often the worst decision that coaches make over and over...because it's the "accepted" way to play.

In No man's land you either should go for it or kick the field goal but teams just do what's always been done...despite what the actual analysis says.

A punt that nets you 25 yards does what exactly? Did not this SD offense carve us up?

25 yards is the difference?

JG showed confidence in his player and actually did what one is supposed to do.

Punting on your opponents 40 is the biggest consistent mistake all coaches make. Because it's "safe."

And they'll keep doing it because of threads like this. Where they get skewered when it doesn't work.

Once again, its more about game situation than the decision to kick the FG itself. End of the game or end of the half, sure send Bailey out there.

 

[Bleu Star]

Once again, its more about game situation than the decision to kick the FG itself. End of the game or end of the half, sure send Bailey out there.

Exactly......

 

[theebs]

What's the argument against the FG there, exactly? Say he's likely to hit 7/10 of those, given what you know from pregame. That's an 70% shot at 3 points, vs, what? Giving up an average of ~30 yards or so of field position on the 30% chance you miss it. I don't think that's an awful risk to take. It's a risk, sure, but it's not a crazy one, is it?

It's an unnecessary and foolish one. There is no need to take the risk of giving the chargers the ball at midfield there. We did and it gave them an easy three points. If we punt and pin them snide the ten and they drive the ball 25 yds and punt then you get the ball back at your 30-40 yard line.

It's pretty basic stuff, no reason to attempt a long field goal in a time game in the second qtr, none.

Pin them down and maybe get a turnover or put I in the hands of romo and go for it, at least that way you save 7 yards.

It was bad football all the way around.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Once again, its more about game situation than the decision to kick the FG itself. End of the game or end of the half, sure send Bailey out there.

Nope. That's the old way of thinking.

It's like people who say don't go for 2 unless you have to have it.

But what if you can convert the 2 point play more than 50% of the time?

Do you still only go for 2 when you have to have it?

That would be silly right?

 

[links18]

It's an unnecessary and foolish one. There is no need to take the risk of giving the chargers the ball at midfield there. We did and it gave them an easy three points. If we punt and pin them snide the ten and they drive the ball 25 yds and punt then you get the ball back at your 30-40 yard line.

It's pretty basic stuff, no reason to attempt a long field goal in a time game in the second qtr, none.

Pin them down and maybe get a turnover or put I in the hands of romo and go for it, at least that way you save 7 yards.

It was bad football all the way around.

I think he was talking about the Pittsburgh game though?