Can we find a RB better than JuJones in the draft?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You missed the obvious.

He was being coached to run poorly.

And don't forget, his offensive line was so bad, we basically brought them all back and paid more for them.

Im with you on your entire hater discussion. I am not saying that he is a worthless back. Im just saying he is going to be most effective if you limit his carries. Im not even saying we should trade him.

That is one thing I hate about most people is they only see things as good or bad or black or white. I am a firm believer that most everything falls in the middle.

I mean people wnat to talk about how he was poorly coached. Did it ever occur to people that maybe just maybe the role he was put in by the coaches was wht the problems? Its the coaches after all that call all those run plays.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Injury history. That is BS. The other stats sound like a carefully cherry picked figure. BY the way: he did great after 150 carries as a rookie. it was either his 20th or 21st carry in the Seattle PLAYOFF game that he broke for 35 yds.
ANd In his signature game as a rookie he got 17 and 18 yds in his 30th and 31st carries (the last for the WINNING TD).
And Last year he aveaged I believe 4.5 yds per carry in the 4th QTR.

and you accuse me of cherry piucking stats. Lets look at one carry from one game as the definition of him. Give me a bloody break.

And what are his splits from his rookie year anyway? I didnt bother to look them up because i figured missing half a season from falling on the ball you are carrying was telling enough.

 

[TheProphet]

It is tough to give up on JJ.....he is a very good back......speed, doesn't fumble, works hard.....good person etc.....but, I would love a shot of Peterson with a star on his helmet

Glad to once again have you in my camp my friend. LOL.

 

[TheProphet]

I expect that Jones will be back with us this coming season but I do think this is make or break time for Jones and he has to show more than he has over the last 3 season, his currently level of play is not going to cut it and not worth paying out big dollars after this contract is up at the end of the year. It is time for JJ to shine or fade away

I'm sick of waiting for his supposed breakout year.

 

[TheProphet]

I didnt say that he sucks; I said that with his 18 carries a game or so that hes been getting hes been breaking down.

Do you always act like such a child?

Sacamana needs some work on his "people skills". :laugh2: :laugh1:

 

[diehard2294]

Well there was another thread that pretty much asked this same question and scenario.
However it got off track with the pro/anti Julius crowd.

I would ask others to keep that mentality in that thread and stick to the topic in this one. Please give options of other players in FA or the Draft that could replace JJ or just say keep him. No need to have two threads of the pro/anti JJ guys going on and on. With that said...

I can think of nobody in FA off the top of my head to replace JJ.

The question is not about getting a full time back IMO...if we could get one in FA or the Draft that would be great but the question to me is with Barber being a good RB that lacks the speed to break long runs one would like to see we IMO should look at a RB that has that game breaking take it the distance speed and also a back that can create in the passing game.


I will be honest at this point and say I do not know enough about all of the RBs in the draft so If I will just mention a few.

I am not going to consider A.Peterson at this time because I don't see him falling and I don't think we would want to trade up THAT FAR by giving up too much.

So the obvious name given is M. Lynch. I doubt it would take too much to trade up to get him from GB at 16 (which seems to be where most project him to go). I guess a trade could be worked out to swap 1st round pics, Julius Jones and maybe them giving us a late round pick to even things out.

It also seems that M.Lynch also shared time in college and we would have Barber and Lynch used to these situations.

M. Bush. I liked him in college but I am not sure this is the person we want.
He is a bigger back that has either had trouble with injuries or keeping his weight down. We already got a back in Barber that can do the power running.
Now if he would fall to the second day than I guess you could take a chance on him but the idea is to get someone to compliment Barber as a change of pace kind of guy. Would be nice to have the speed guy and barber.

Kenny Irons intrigues me but I will be honest and say I just don't know enough about him.

BP I feel the same way about Irons,he is a slasher,has energy a good motor and alot of confidence in himself. I wouldn't mind taking him in the 4th if he's still around

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I didnt say that he sucks; I said that with his 18 carries a game or so that hes been getting hes been breaking down.

Do you always act like such a child?

yeah, saying Caddilac Williams is light-years ahead of Julius Jones means he's alright

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yeah, saying Caddilac Williams is light-years ahead of Julius Jones means he's alright

Oh you sure got me there. I said most of the rest and not all of them. But again Im beginning to think you have difficulty reading much less forming rational original thoughts on your own.

The entire point of that post was that every single year there is a high success rate for drafting backs in the first two rounds. You dont address that you simply turn it into a little girly nitpicking contest.

Fine ill grant that Williams wasnt better than Jones last year. So friggin what?

You just go ahead and think that we need to coddle Jones and Watkins roster spots and Ill keep on hoping we upgrade the overall talent of our roster.

 

[Cochese]

yeah, saying Caddilac Williams is light-years ahead of Julius Jones means he's alright

Cadillacs rookie year is still better than anything Jones has ever done in his 3 total years in the league.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Cadillacs rookie year is still better than anything Jones has ever done in his 3 total years in the league.

what has he done for me lately?

sucked

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh you sure got me there. I said most of the rest and not all of them. But again Im beginning to think you have difficulty reading much less forming rational original thoughts on your own.

The entire point of that post was that every single year there is a high success rate for drafting backs in the first two rounds. You dont address that you simply turn it into a little girly nitpicking contest.

Fine ill grant that Williams wasnt better than Jones last year. So friggin what?

You just go ahead and think that we need to coddle Jones and Watkins roster spots and Ill keep on hoping we upgrade the overall talent of our roster.

I'm sorry bro, I look at this draft class for RBs, outside of AD, and just go meh, it doesn't excite me, the money is at CB, DE/OLB and WR, not RB, this year, you give me those 3 in the 1st 3 rounds, and the rest I don't care

plus you going on a personal vendetta against Julius like he made you your biznatch doesn't ellicit much conversation other than to bash you

 

[nathanlt]

Why is there such a "need" for getting rid of Julius Jones, or any other player on the roster?

At running back, Dallas has managed to secure 3 quality running backs, with Julius taking the bulk of carries, Marion Barber gaining an ever increasing role with his power running and nose for the endzone, and Tyson Thompson adding his burst of speed to the mix. Why mess with a known quantity to bring in an unknown? There is no critical need at RB in Dallas.

Julius is a known quantity, it took him about 3 years to develop into what he is today. His rookie year showed some flashes of greatness with his ability to cut in the backfield and downfield to make guys miss. Maybe he can get back to that style. His value will go up this year.

Why erase all that progress and start developing a young rookie instead? Is there any RB pick that is CERTAIN enough to gamble away the key to the progress Dallas has made at RB? It doesn't make sense!! The offseason is has just become of the mindset that the team has to shuffle at every position, and each and every year it gets more chaotic with new players, new schemes, new coaches. A little stability can go a LONG WAY in making teamwork happen. Stability has grown in value in today's NFL, because it is so rare.

No trades... draft some prospects with high upside and potential, and keep our starters in place for once. With everyone learning a new system, being familiar with the players around you makes it easier.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm sorry bro, I look at this draft class for RBs, outside of AD, and just go meh, it doesn't excite me, the money is at CB, DE/OLB and WR, not RB, this year, you give me those 3 in the 1st 3 rounds, and the rest I don't care

plus you going on a personal vendetta against Julius like he made you your biznatch doesn't ellicit much conversation other than to bash you

I have said time and time again that Julius would be great if he were only used in the proper role. I have gone and repeatedly told you that I would actually like to keep him and draft a guy on the frist day to go and compete with he and Barber. Now you call me a person with a vendetta. I call you a person without a clue.

It may be difficult for your underdeveloped brain to consider the fact not wanting Julius to start does not mean I dont like the player. This isnt an all or nothing situation and I take this stance because i feel it is how Julius would best benefit my favorite football team. If you cant grasp this I frankly dont care.

I also could really care less about your opinion of Lynch and Irons and Branch. i have read a myriad of reports that have a bit more to say about them than 'meh' which is the pinnacle of your analysis. All would be very good value at where we pick in round one or two depending on the player in question.

Really you are the one that is making this a Jones thing. As i have repeatedly stated i would like for us to both keep Jones AND draft a RB high if good value.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As i have repeatedly stated i would like for us to both keep Jones AND draft a RB high if good value.

WR/OLB/CB before RB, it's not even about Julius for me, I'd rather we dip into a stacked pool of WRs, CBs and OLBs, and get the cream of the crop there on the 1st day, and then worry about playing around w/ the RB situation

draft Brandon Jackson in the 4th/5th round, and have him, Julius, Marion and even Tyson Thompson compete for the starting role, that's what it's all about for me

 

[Rack]

Injury history. That is BS. The other stats sound like a carefully cherry picked figure. BY the way: he did great after 150 carries as a rookie. it was either his 20th or 21st carry in the Seattle PLAYOFF game that he broke for 35 yds.
ANd In his signature game as a rookie he got 17 and 18 yds in his 30th and 31st carries (the last for the WINNING TD).
And Last year he aveaged I believe 4.5 yds per carry in the 4th QTR.

You accuse him of cherry picking then go and do the same dang thing.


About the black bolded part... 3.2 per carry. You're way off.

I'm sorry bro, I look at this draft class for RBs, outside of AD, and just go meh, it doesn't excite me, the money is at CB, DE/OLB and WR, not RB, this year, you give me those 3 in the 1st 3 rounds, and the rest I don't care

plus you going on a personal vendetta against Julius like he made you your biznatch doesn't ellicit much conversation other than to bash you

That's just an dressed up way of calling him a Hater. Just cuz he doesn't agree with you about the player, doesn't mean he's on a personal vendetta.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's just an dressed up way of calling him a Hater. Just cuz he doesn't agree with you about the player, doesn't mean he's on a personal vendetta.

no, it's just an observing that Fuzzy can't stop talking about Julius in a negative light

 

[Rack]

no, it's just an observing that Fuzzy can't stop talking about Julius in a negative light

Just cuz his opinion differs from yours, doesn't mean he's talking about him in a negative light.


Maybe he's just being realistic about him and not putting JuJo's nads on his chin just cuz he plays for the Cowboys?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

WR/OLB/CB before RB, it's not even about Julius for me, I'd rather we dip into a stacked pool of WRs, CBs and OLBs, and get the cream of the crop there on the 1st day, and then worry about playing around w/ the RB situation

draft Brandon Jackson in the 4th/5th round, and have him, Julius, Marion and even Tyson Thompson compete for the starting role, that's what it's all about for me

An OLB or WR has zero chance of starting over our current starters and a CB wont if Henrys healthy. you should throw in S too but i know youre busy coddling Watkins spot too.

Again i am going to laugh so hard if we draft Nelson or Lynch when one of them falls to us. they certainly would be great value at 22 and would almsot certainly start from day 1 over your beloved white elephants.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Again i am going to laugh so hard if we draft Nelson or Lynch when one of them falls to us.

we won't, so...

TO and Terry aren't going to be here forever, the WR class this year is the strongest position in the draft, WRs don't come out of the gate usually and have success, so the best thing to do would be to get one of the talented WRs in a stacked draft class, and develop him behind TO and Terry for a year

we need another pass-rusher, I don't know how anyone can be so dim-witted to think that we don't

we need a 3rd corner for when Newman goes into the slot, because Aaron Glenn isn't cutting it, and he's only here for 1 more year, you need 3 good CBs in this league

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just cuz his opinion differs from yours, doesn't mean he's talking about him in a negative light.

well he has, so...

Maybe he's just being realistic about him and not putting JuJo's nads on his chin just cuz he plays for the Cowboys?

and noone is putting Julius' gonads on his chin either, so why don't you stop picturing gonads on some dude's chin, queef?