Can we find a RB better than JuJones in the draft?

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Bob Sacamano;1419026 said:
Cadillac sucked this year, Jamal Lewis is on his last legs, Thomas Jones wasn't better than Julius this year, Tatum Bell :laugh1: he fustrated the Broncos, can you imagine that? a back Denver doesn't like? Willis McGahee is coming off a down year, c'mon now

You do understand that the shelf lif on runningbacks in the NFL is not that high. If we could get just Lewis first two years in the league wed be set.



Id be willing to bet Jones wont even be playing in this league in 2009
 

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burmafrd;1419125 said:
Without Fuzzy and the other haters, some good points have been made in the last 10 posts or so.

Hater: Anyone that disagrees with my assessment that "Player X" is great.
 

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Hostile;1419072 said:
There are just as many reasons not to panic and as some seem to have to hit the panic button. Tell me this, what do we do if we trade him, don't get a suitable replacement, and Barber either can't hack the load of being feature back or gets hurt as RBs sometimes do?

That is the same risk the Bills are taking.

What if?

Fact is, we might figure we want Barber as the feature back and want a complement. It might not be about finding a "suitable" replacement for Jones. If we think this way, we already have it in Barber.

That means we find the "suitable" replacement for Barber and what he did.

What then? Say oops and throw the ball 75% of the time a la the 2005 Eagles?

Trading Jones doesn't mean it dooms our running game if Barber gets injured. Your very same scenario could be the case if Jones got hurt and Barber isn't all that great. You cannot manage a football team thinking like that.

I'm simply saying trading him just for the sake of trading him is a risk. We have a good 1-2 punch at RB. Barber is the type of RB I love and I want to see him as the featured guy. I do not want to have no other options. By trading Julius away we might not have any.

I don't believe we are trading him just to trade him. Most reports state it simply, we are fielding offers.

If we like them, we move him. If not, we deal with the contractual issues later and keep the player.

It's really nothing to get all excited about. The kind of dialogue is see around this right now is more appropriate if were were indeed hell bent on parting ways. I don't believe we are nor should we be.
 

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Rack;1419136 said:
Hater: Anyone that disagrees with my assessment that "Player X" is great.

Hater: Anyone that disagrees with me and gives me the opportunity to label them in order to make my primitive arguments sound like they have some merit.

It is one version of recent slang that I really really loathe.

It has no redeeming intellectual qualities whatsoever. Yet some feel it makes some sort of point.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1419130 said:
You do understand that the shelf lif on runningbacks in the NFL is not that high. If we could get just Lewis first two years in the league wed be set.



Id be willing to bet Jones wont even be playing in this league in 2009

fine, Julius sucks
 

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We did two years ago in the 4th round, what makes you think its so hard? A UDFA runningback was one of the top runners in the NFL last year.
 

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Rack;1419136 said:
Hater: Anyone that disagrees with my assessment that "Player X" is great.

I agree w/that assessment or excuse me...definition.
 

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Alexander;1419142 said:
Hater: Anyone that disagrees with me and gives me the opportunity to label them in order to make my primitive arguments sound like they have some merit.

It is one version of recent slang that I really really loathe.

It has no redeeming intellectual qualities whatsoever. Yet some feel it makes some sort of point.

:hammer:

I like your definition better.


Although I do think in some rare instances "Hate" is a suitable word. However, I don't think that word applies to anyone regarding JuJo.

I think some people actually did "Hate" Quincy Carter, but I won't go there. :D
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1419130 said:
You do understand that the shelf lif on runningbacks in the NFL is not that high. If we could get just Lewis first two years in the league wed be set.



Id be willing to bet Jones wont even be playing in this league in 2009

Hes been splitting carries so he'll last awhile.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1419028 said:
:hammer: now this makes more sense than, "Julius sucks, get anything for him while we can"

And if you thik that is what im saying you have the reading ability of a 2nd grader. I have consistently said that I would like to keep Jones barring a second rounder for him. I just think that after 3 years of break downs he needs a role change.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1419144 said:
fine, Julius sucks

I didnt say that he sucks; I said that with his 18 carries a game or so that hes been getting hes been breaking down.

Do you always act like such a child?
 

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Alexander;1419142 said:
Hater: Anyone that disagrees with me and gives me the opportunity to label them in order to make my primitive arguments sound like they have some merit.

It is one version of recent slang that I really really loathe.

It has no redeeming intellectual qualities whatsoever. Yet some feel it makes some sort of point.

and your point is?.....:D


We must not forget fickle and also being in a state of a melt down.and OH yes! a polly anna....whatever that means? :)
 

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burmafrd;1419125 said:
Without Fuzzy and the other haters, some good points have been made in the last 10 posts or so.

i wills ay that i care about as much for your opinion as Philo. You posit just about nothing to most converssations. id bet you dont even grasp what my position is as you only see "Jules is great or Jules suxxorz," like the rest of the yahoos.
 

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CATCH17;1419150 said:
Hes been splitting carries so he'll last awhile.

Even given that he still either breaks down and is ineffective or misses time because hes hurt. He cannot carry the ball 200 times in a season and play well. Its like talking to a wall.
 

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Alexander;1419139 said:
That is the same risk the Bills are taking.

What if?

Fact is, we might figure we want Barber as the feature back and want a complement. It might not be about finding a "suitable" replacement for Jones. If we think this way, we already have it in Barber.

That means we find the "suitable" replacement for Barber and what he did.



Trading Jones doesn't mean it dooms our running game if Barber gets injured. Your very same scenario could be the case if Jones got hurt and Barber isn't all that great. You cannot manage a football team thinking like that.

I don't believe we are trading him just to trade him. Most reports state it simply, we are fielding offers.

If we like them, we move him. If not, we deal with the contractual issues later and keep the player.

It's really nothing to get all excited about. The kind of dialogue is see around this right now is more appropriate if were were indeed hell bent on parting ways. I don't believe we are nor should we be.
I'm not excited about it. I don't smell blood in the water. I'd be more open to trading JJ for another player that fields a need than for Draft picks. That isn't likely though.

I'm neither for, nor against, trading him. If we trade him, fine. If we keep him, fine. I just find the belief that we are screwed if we hang on to him, and don't get Barber in the game as the featured RB, is a bit off.

Barber is the kind of RB I like. Hard nosed, old style football that gets you the "hard yard." I love that. No one wants him in there more than me.

I am sold on the 2 back system we have with him and Julius, even if they switch roles. I cannot say the same for us using Tyson Thompson and Barber, or an as of now unknown commodity to replace Julius if we trade him.

The idea it is easy to replace his production (or Barber's, as you point out) simply by selecting someone is just too Pollyanna for me. No one should be naive enough to think that if we select a RB he's a can't miss benefit to this team. I can produce a laundry list of our RB failures if need be, but I suspect you know it isn't a set in stone success.

The myopia that we could somehow get Adrian Peterson is just amusing as hell to me. No way, no shape, no how, is that ever going to happen without a price so steep it would be ludicrous. Yet it gets a new discussion each week. Ridiculous. People would be better suited trying to live in the real world.

There are a myriad of ways we can keep Julius and use the production we already get from him. I personally don't think he will be traded. If he is, well then I cross my fingers. We're smart to listen to offers. We're foolish to do it simply to do it. That is my point.
 

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Alexander;1419142 said:
Hater: Anyone that disagrees with me and gives me the opportunity to label them in order to make my primitive arguments sound like they have some merit.

It is one version of recent slang that I really really loathe.

It has no redeeming intellectual qualities whatsoever. Yet some feel it makes some sort of point.
Post of the day.

I think this could be a signature line.
 

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burmafrd;1419161 said:
OK Fuzzy- what is your evidence that he is breaking down?

His injury history, his 3.6 YPC after 150 carries last year or his 3.5 YPC after 15 carries in a game.

He got hurt because he fell on a football he was carrying for chrissakes.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1419169 said:
His injury history, his 3.6 YPC after 150 carries last year or his 3.5 YPC after 15 carries in a game.

He got hurt because he fell on a football he was carrying for chrissakes.

You missed the obvious.

He was being coached to run poorly.

And don't forget, his offensive line was so bad, we basically brought them all back and paid more for them.
 

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Injury history. That is BS. The other stats sound like a carefully cherry picked figure. BY the way: he did great after 150 carries as a rookie. it was either his 20th or 21st carry in the Seattle PLAYOFF game that he broke for 35 yds.
ANd In his signature game as a rookie he got 17 and 18 yds in his 30th and 31st carries (the last for the WINNING TD).
And Last year he aveaged I believe 4.5 yds per carry in the 4th QTR.
 
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