Can we have a Trey Lance discussion?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Can someone point me to a game where he is showcasing his arm.

The guy is one heck of an athlete but I’m struggling to find games with him making a lot of plays with his arm..

I don’t really care about deep throws too.. Deep throws are overrated.. Most QBs should be able to make that throw..

I want to see more intermediate passes.

With the talk of the Dak deal and my opinion about his deal becoming more mainstream I’m starting to wonder if drafting a QB is a real possibility.

LOL. funny, I saw the post header and exactly the same question came to my mind. I have seen videos but he is always running and his throws aren't that good, he stares down his recievers and waits too long to make the throws...

sorry, he is low round pick in my mind, unless you want to run a Ravens offense like they do with Jackson where your QB is run first, pass second.

 

[CATCH17]

LOL. funny, I saw the post header and exactly the same question came to my mind. I have seen videos but he is always running and his throws aren't that good, he stares down his recievers and waits too long to make the throws...

sorry, he is low round pick in my mind, unless you want to run a Ravens offense like they do with Jackson where your QB is run first, pass second.

He reminds me a lot more of Lamar Jackson right now then anyone else.

I think one thing to keep in mind is he is 19.

 

[fivetwos]

I'd like to know why he didn't attend a larger school.

Too lazy to look it up.

Wonder if its similar reasoning to Wentz.

 

[phildadon86]

lol kinda like how before the season I called this Justin Fields thing perfectly? Even having Zach Wilson as my #2 before that was a thing?

Know your role please.

Good for you. You were right about 1 thing. Lol. Congrats. I’ll have your trophy sent to your house.

 

[My3Sons]

Yep Future, I was gonna compare Lance to Josh Allen.

If Dallas was to draft Lance, Andy Dalton would be right there to sign as the QB1/Mentor.

I like the JA comparison for this kid, also.
I could live with a Dak trade, draft this kid and keep Dalton for a year.

Tom Brady split time in college. You just never know. Watch the tape and discuss his intangibles. I like this kid.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Problems with Lance -- limited experience in a run-heavy program. Hasn't played against an FBS opponent.

He is a great athlete with a strong arm. Appears to be accurate.

He surely must sit for a year. There is no way to know how he will handle NFL reads or the relative speed of the game.

He surely does look the part. Panthers might consider, letting him sit behind Bridgewater for a year. Something like that.

High ceiling, low floor.

 

[baltcowboy]

Lance is what they call a lottery ticket. Listening to the draft nicks I have heard he has more natural talent then Lawrence. The negative is he really has only on year of experience on a loaded running FBS football team. I would run to the podium to take him at 10.

 

[Gaede]

What I don't understand is folks slobbering all over Wentz several years ago but not Lance.

Same school. Better player.

 

[CATCH17]

What I don't understand is folks slobbering all over Wentz several years ago but not Lance.

Same school. Better player.

Because Wentz displayed incredible arm talent along with a lot of athletic ability for a big guy.


This guy is just all athlete.

Now can he throw? Sure.. But it’s a lot of scheme stuff and he isn’t really reading defenses like Carson was.

I also don’t like his windmill release.

 

[Gaede]

Because Wentz displayed incredible arm talent along with a lot of athletic ability for a big guy.


This guy is just all athlete.

Now can he throw? Sure.. But it’s a lot of scheme stuff and he isn’t really reading defenses like Carson was.

I also don’t like his windmill release.

If you're not seeing arm talent and passing ability in a guy who threw for 28 TDs with ZERO picks, you're simply not paying attn

 

[Bizwah]

What I don't understand is folks slobbering all over Wentz several years ago but not Lance.

Same school. Better player.

Couple of points:

1. It's possible it's BECAUSE of Wentz's struggles that people are bearish on Lance. Right or wrong, people look at the schools attended by prospects and think the players are similar.

2. Lance is so young. He has a very small body of work. Coaches got a good look at Wentz during the Senior Bowl.

3. It's been a full year since Lance's last game. There's no way to tell how he's developed or matured.

 

[texbumthelife]

You don't draft based on what a player is right now, especially not at QB.

Does he have upside/tools? Yes. It's no different than Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen.

It's remarkably different. Yes it's about projection, but it's projection based on a body of work. Lance's body of work amounts to a couple legs and belly button. It's not enough to draw a full picture and project.

Patrick Mahomes put up huge numbers in college, against better competition, and made God like *throws* that Lance couldn't sniff. What a remarkably bad comparison. Josh Allen is a better comparison, but even he made made more impressive *throws* than Trey Legs.

When you draft a QB in the top-10, you draft him for the now and the future. No one drafts a QB top-10 and let's him sit for a few years any more. That's a 90s mentality. QBs that go top-10 are expected to start their second year, and produce, at the latest.

 

[Future]

It's remarkably different. Yes it's about projection, but it's projection based on a body of work. Lance's body of work amounts to a couple legs and belly button. It's not enough to draw a full picture and project.

Patrick Mahomes put up huge numbers in college, against better competition, and made God like *throws* that Lance couldn't sniff. What a remarkably bad comparison. Josh Allen is a better comparison, but even he made made more impressive *throws* than Trey Legs.

When you draft a QB in the top-10, you draft him for the now and the future. No one drafts a QB top-10 and let's him sit for a few years any more. That's a 90s mentality. QBs that go top-10 are expected to start their second year, and produce, at the latest.

Body of work doesn't really matter. It is projection based on tools.

Lance has a whole bunch of "God like" throws on tape anyway. You're just misunderstanding the point, or entirely wrong. I'm not comparing him to Mahomes, I'm saying that he will get drafted based on his tools, just like Mahomes.



Calling him Trey Legs is a pretty good indication you haven't actually been paying attention to him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I think Lance is a bag of tools at this point. I don’t think any team should expect early returns with him.

Anyone trying to pimp him as some special passer at this point is really projecting; he has thrown a grand total of just 288 passes.

Against generally weak competition he has a grand total of three (3) 200+ passing yard games and just one (1) 300+ yard game.

He’s been efficient as a passer but that’s likely due in large part to the offense being a run-first scheme; they ran for more than 4,800+ yards in 2019 with Lance at QB.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If he is sitting there at 10...how much could we get from another team trading up to get him.

That is about all I am interested in him right now.

 

[HungryLion]

Good for you. You were right about 1 thing. Lol. Congrats. I’ll have your trophy sent to your house.

Isn’t this the guy that thought Brad Kaaya and some other NFL bust would be good in the NFL?

The arrogance is next level.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If he is sitting there at 10...how much could we get from another team trading up to get him.

That is about all I am interested in him right now.

I have a feeling NFL teams aren’t as enamored with him as the draftnik world seems to be.

I see him as a similar type prospect as Jordan Love was last year taken R1 - 26th pick, which is actually where I think you ideally want to take a developmental QB with perceived elite traits.

 

[HungryLion]

The question is. Does Mike McCarthy see Trey Lance. And say “I can develop him into a star”


If our head coach, who knows how to develop a QB, says he believes he can develop Lance. Then I am fine with them taking the chance on him.

But man a top 10 pick on a QB prospect that raw is certainly, certainly a risky proposition.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have a feeling NFL teams aren’t as enamored with him as the draftnik world seems to be.

I see him as a similar type prospect as Jordan Love was last year taken R1 - 26th pick, which is actually where I think you ideally want to take a developmental QB with perceived elite traits.

Hard to tell...Even though I should not be, I find it shocking that some of these QBs get drafted in the first round. I think teams reach more for QBs than they do any other position.

Think of these names, I did not think most should have been first rounders but even the few I did think were 1st rounders I did not see them as top of the 1st round picks.

Blaine Gabbert
Blake Bortles
Christian Ponder
Tim Tebow
Brandon Weeden
EJ Manuel
Josh Freeman
Mitch Trubisky

 

[Aven8]

Yep Future, I was gonna compare Lance to Josh Allen.

If Dallas was to draft Lance, Andy Dalton would be right there to sign as the QB1/Mentor.

I can’t watch another year of Dalton. Can’t do it.....