And I am giving them a couple of more games to get a handle on this. The play was so sloppy from most teams that it is hard to evaluate. This is the new norm, the first game is an extended preseason game. 17 points seems to be the threshold but that was an offense with only two weapons and they didn't do a good job of handling either one of them. One thing for sure, Marinelli and Richard have plenty to address going to DC. The D had a bitter taste in their mouth after LA, they did little to make that sweeter in week 1.