Can we stop bringing up Cooper

[shabazz]

CeeDee is well on his way to be as good as Cooper Kupp. After 3 seasons he is way ahead of Kupp’s pace.

I was just kidding. i could have brought Cooper Rush name up too, lol

 

[kevm3]

Cooper needs to be brought up because it was an awful decision. Cooper was the best WR on our team and we gave him away for a 5th rounder. He certainly would have given us more than any receiver aside from Ceedee gave us. We also let Cedric Wilson walk, who Dak had a lot of chemistry with.

Dak is throwing a lot more interceptions because he simply has less rapport and there is less separation with those receivers out there now.

We gave Cooper away for peanuts and did ZERO with his salary cuts. It was so bad we had to bring in an aging Ty Hilton who arguably became our second best receiver. If that doesn't tell you something is wrong I don't know what will.

You can't win with an FO that is intentionally creating holes in the team, letting some of our best talent walk and then trying to replace them with bargain bin signings and vets two steps away from retirement.

Why we don't just make McClay the GM is beyond me.

 

[WillieBeamen]

It's going to get brought up because in hindsight it was a god-awful decision and chances are very high they win the 49ers game with him out there.

What especially intensified it was how bad Gallup and brown looked out there. It was basically the lamb show that's it

They still lose with him out there


Cooper isnt going to magically help this QB to see the field

 

[Risen Star]

Carolina's first question....

How do you score so many points with Dak Prescott?

 

[glimmerman]

They were right about Lamb being able to be the guy. But was assuming Gallup would come back and be that same guy that was a solid #2. The way we drafted we thought one of those WR would pan out. Didn’t happen. So you have a QB that was forcing the ball to one guy.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I really wish fans would get over the Cowboys getting rid of Amari Cooper.

Amari was a good receiver when he showed up, but you never knew which games he was going to show up.

Amari Cooper had 78 catches for 1,120 yards this season for the Browns.

I am sorry but a 1,120 yards receiver is NOT worth $20 million dollars, which is what Amari would have cost if the Cowboys kept him.

Teams have salary caps to deal with and sometimes you have to let good players go not because they are bad but because they are simply not worth the cost it would take to keep them.

 

[Stash]

They were right about Lamb being able to be the guy. But was assuming Gallup would come back and be that same guy that was a solid #2. The way we drafted we thought one of those WR would pan out. Didn’t happen. So you have a QB that was forcing the ball to one guy.

It’s obvious that every decision outside of Lamb was a miss.

Cooper trade
Gallup re-signing
Washington siging
Drafting and counting on Tolbert

 

[glimmerman]

It’s obvious that every decision outside if Lamb was a miss.

Cooper trade
Gallup re-signing
Washington siging
Drafting and counting on Tolbert

Tolbert and Vasher were mistakes they thought would pan out. But they had 2 good TE that could have helped if was used. Fergie and Hendershot ain’t bad. Most of the time we’re open. But Dak wants to wait for Lamb in his come back route.

 

[Kellsbells]

If they had even a semi-suitable backup plan, then no one would be talking about it. We spent the entire year trying to find a replacement, to the point of considering bringing in OBJ without even a workout.

 

[Reality]

Strawman.

Not sure why you feel the need to resort to that. You simply stated that it was not a true comparison to compare two quarterbacks, including one that just signed a $230 million contract, so I listed the best quarterbacks in the game as the only ones you would likely accept, assuming you would accept any of course.

Then maybe do something about that quarterback? Maybe they wouldn’t be dealing with another SF loss?

That is very possible and something I mentioned. The reality though is that the Cowboys were not (and could not) get rid of the quarterback they had so the only variable really became the receiver and for 865 yards, that receiver was not worth $20 million to the Cowboys.

More flawed logic.

Not at all. The Browns got more results from Amari in 2022 than the Cowboys got from him in 2021, so he was worth more to the Browns than he was the Cowboys. That is a very logical statement.

I think it’s an internal issue that should have been addressed rather than making the receiver a scapegoat.

I never said he was the cause, blame or whatever your reasoning is for the staunch defense you are giving him.

Amari was not worth $20 million to the Cowboys. Was that Dak's fault? Was that Kellen's fault? Was that McCarthy's fault? It doesn't matter. You can put the blame on anyone you like as there is enough blame to go around without question.

Dak was not going anywhere in 2022, and McCarthy and Moore were coming off a 12-5 season and division winner of the NFC East so they were not going anywhere.

So, with that in mind, based on the results Amari was giving the Cowboys (and really what he gave the Browns this season), he was not worth $20 million to the Cowboys.

Everyting else is really irrelevant.

 

[Toro9]

You're perpetuating conversation about Amari Cooper.

 

[Stash]

Not sure why you feel the need to resort to that. You simply stated that it was not a true comparison to compare two quarterbacks, including one that just signed a $230 million contract, so I listed the best quarterbacks in the game as the only ones you would likely accept, assuming you would accept any of course.

Because it’s something I never said.

My criticism is of career backup Brissett and Deshaun Watson readjusting and not playing up to past standards. Those are certainly factors in Cooper’s numbers if we’re being honest.

That is very possible and something I mentioned. The reality though is that the Cowboys were not (and could not) get rid of the quarterback they had so the only variable really became the receiver and for 865 yards, that receiver was not worth $20 million to the Cowboys.

And personally, I think they sent Cooper’s contract away because Stephen mismanaged the cap so badly. That was the ONE DEAL where they could get relief and they used it.

Not at all. The Browns got more results from Amari in 2022 than the Cowboys got from him in 2021, so he was worth more to the Browns than he was the Cowboys. That is a very logical statement.


I never said he was the cause, blame or whatever your reasoning is for the staunch defense you are giving him.

Amari was not worth $20 million to the Cowboys. Was that Dak's fault? Was that Kellen's fault? Was that McCarthy's fault? It doesn't matter. You can put the blame on anyone you like as there is enough blame to go around without question.

Thanks.

Dak was not going anywhere in 2022, McCarthy and Moore were coming off a 12-5 season and division winner of the NFC East.

Based on the results Amari was giving the Cowboys (and really what he gave the Browns this season), he was not worth $20 million to the Cowboys.

Everyting else is really irrelevant.

It’s entirely relevant. You’re trying to justify the unjustifiable.

 

[diamonddelts]

It's going to get brought up because in hindsight it was a god-awful decision and chances are very high they win the 49ers game with him out there.

What especially intensified it was how bad Gallup and brown looked out there. It was basically the lamb show that's it

He was out there against SF last year. Same result.

 

[Stash]

He was out there against SF last year. Same result.

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1. simplification of something to such an extent that a distorted impression is given.
   "a general assessment runs the risk of oversimplification"

 

[eromeopolk]

For goodness sakes Jerry made a horrible personal decision to release him. On the other side, did amari really change the complex of games for us? With #4 back there did he actually throw it to him when he was open, and was it a catchable ball??

In my opinion he's just bait because of the lack of talent they didn't have this season. The constant feeling that we could play with who we had was a JOKE! I hope this summer they take it more serious. Having weapons helps, but getting open, scheming, and good placed passes help also

No! Because in the words of Ice Cube no Vaseline..."here's what they think about you."

"It's a blessing to be able to have Amari and the things that he can do and the things that he brings, and just to be able to be that big brother for me because he is older than me," Watson said. "I have an opportunity to learn from him and what other quarterbacks he played with were thinking and what he thinks on certain coverages versus certain DBs. Also, for him to be able to talk with the younger receivers and show them the way to be a professional and how to prep for each and every game. It's awesome to see."
Offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt is hoping Cooper will cross the 1,000-yard mark with three games left to play. It'll serve as a stamp for the consistency he's brought to the passing game, which is exactly what the Browns expected to receive from Cooper when they acquired him in a a trade with the Cowboys in March.
"Really proud of him," Van Pelt said. "Getting to know him over the course of the season and how seriously he takes it, it means a lot to him. His route running is as good as I have ever been around. His [ability] to create separation, his suddenness, his ability to put his foot in the ground and break with violence at the top of the routes to create separation and just tries to do it right every time, I think that is the biggest thing.
"His film study is really, really strong. The quarterbacks and he will text on the side often, 'Did you see this clip?' or they will send film clips back and forth so I know how hard he works at it."

Jerry Dumbo GM Jones thought a little Lamb, a one legged Gallup, a no name #85, and a concussion prone TY Hilton could replace this... https://www.nfl.com/players/amari-cooper/stats/career

 

[Tussinman]

And personally, I think they sent Cooper’s contract away because Stephen mismanaged the cap so badly. That was the ONE DESL where they could get relief and they used it.

Yeah I find the money thing a joke excuse when in 2021 all of the other receivers were on cheap deals and in 2022 majority of them are still on cheap deals. It's not like they've been routinely over salaried/bloated at the WR position (the only high-priced you can argue is gallup but then again nobody was really begging for him to sign a 60 million deal coming off a major injury)

 

[Mr Cowboy]

"You don't let a talented player walk out the door, without having a like talent in the door." Kirwin

 

[heir]

For goodness sakes Jerry made a horrible personal decision to release him. On the other side, did amari really change the complex of games for us? With #4 back there did he actually throw it to him when he was open, and was it a catchable ball??

In my opinion he's just bait because of the lack of talent they didn't have this season. The constant feeling that we could play with who we had was a JOKE! I hope this summer they take it more serious. Having weapons helps, but getting open, scheming, and good placed passes help also

The reason why it is brought up and will continue to be is while other teams feel they are close they go ALL-IN like the 49ers did with the CMC trade, all the moves that the Eagles made etc. We on the other hand go the opposite way

 

[Stash]

Yeah I find the money thing a joke excuse when in 2021 all of the other receivers were on cheap deals and in 2022 majority of them are still on cheap deals. It's not like they've been routinely over salaried/bloated at the WR position (the only high-priced you can argue is gallup but then again nobody was really begging for him to sign a 60 million deal coming off a major injury)

I find criticizing and minimizing the player the joke.

The Joneses mismanaged the cap, as they often do. They were up against it because of poor past contracts. So they went after the one they could get out of easiest with the most bang for the Buck in cap space. That was Cooper.

But see it for what it truly was rather than now trying to downplay the mistake by attempting to minimize the player.

 

[JW82]

After the way this team S the bed without a 2nd receiver, its gonna be a while. Sorry.