Can we talk about the Tush Push?

[KingCorcoran]

You do NOT even comprehend the total formation. No, it isn't JUST pushing FROM BEHIND.

First concept: an en mass intense burst of energy that by itself, can blow up body parts when it occurs all at once. That in no way is a controlled explosion with force.

Second, the brunt of that explosion of power is at the level of an opponents' legs. You know nothing or comprehend how very dangerous that is. It involves more than just a neat looking event. It is without doubt, very dangerous and if gone wrong at all, in no doubt, can start to end careers with blown out arms, shoulders, and intensely dangerous to legs where it all ends up being directed.

This is not a comparison of stats, but a real danger. This has just been introduced into the NFL.

Ever play rugby? This evolves down to a modified scrum technique and forcing line movement. Ever felt the power and intensity of that lock up? That involves intensity for a one to three foot good movement. But here, instead of shoulder level connection...it is lowered to below the waste. Injuries will show up and give one numbers. Oh, those glorious numbers that you accuse another as being stupid about...
It’s not too dangerous a play in rugby, where they do not wear the safety gear NFL players wear, but it is too dangerous a play in the NFL? And, to date, no one has ever suffered an injury during the play. If “dangerous” is what the NFL wanted to get rid of professional football would no longer exist. The whole game is dangerous. When you start eliminating plays that are dangerous, where do you stop? And you certainly are not going to start with a play where no one’s been injured. Fans of teams that don’t utilize the play don’t like it because their favorite team does not do it well and they resent another team having an advantage. It’s not about injuries. I’ll bet the Eagles don’t like that their opponent this weekend has an unusually fast receiver. I would guess they’d like to say we can’t defend against this guy so can we all vote to disallow him from playing because we can’t stop him. Oh, and someone could get injured running that fast. No one has gotten injured because of him, but it could happen, possibly. We’re whining. In 2005 the play would have resulted in a penalty. The owners can change it whenever the spirit moves them. Not likely. The Eagles franchise has trademarked the term “brotherly shove”. There’s apparently money in it. And all NFL ownership groups care more about money than potential injuries, or actual injuries, for that matter.

 

[CCBoy]

 

[nate dizzle]

Has to be the worse executed Tush Push I have ever seen. Not impressed. Do better McCarthy. This was so BAD.

This is why you don't skip leg day.

 

[GINeric]

What people fail to realize is, Hurts strength is the biggest asset to the tush push. I think this man presses something like 500+ pounds with his legs???

No quarterback in the league is strong as Jalen Hurts.

 

[KingCorcoran]

What people fail to realize is, Hurts strength is the biggest asset to the tush push. I think this man presses something like 500+ pounds with his legs???

No quarterback in the league is strong as Jalen Hurts.

That’s ridiculous, too. While I don’t like the “tush push” because it’s the Eagles that do it well, it’s not because Hurts is super strong. He’s not substantially stronger than any other quarterback in the NFL. It looks like timing, a great center, an aggressive left guard (don’t know his name, or care) and a player who applies the push to assist that times it perfectly, like he’s done it many times before. Every NFL quarterback is strong enough to do that play. Seems to me Hurts should concentrate on getting rid of the ball faster as opposed to perfecting what is essentially a one yard run.

 

[Ccureton]

That’s ridiculous, too. While I don’t like the “tush push” because it’s the Eagles that do it well, it’s not because Hurts is super strong. He’s not substantially stronger than any other quarterback in the NFL. It looks like timing, a great center, an aggressive left guard (don’t know his name, or care) and a player who applies the push to assist that times it perfectly, like he’s done it many times before. Every NFL quarterback is strong enough to do that play. Seems to me Hurts should concentrate on getting rid of the ball faster as opposed to perfecting what is essentially a one yard run.

He squats 500+ and deadlifts 600+ he is substantially stronger than other quarterbacks and probably stronger than most running backs. He is just lower body strong.

 

[Bagman]

I'll just ignore your idiotic remark about me being a whiny fan, because you're obviously a clueless troll. Have you ever seen a Rugby game???
Regardless of whatever supposed rugby guys are telling you, it absolutely is pulled straight from the Rugby 101 playbook. And I don't think the play should be allowed in the game of football. It may not technically be illegal, (YET) but it definitely goes against the spirit of our game. Again, it has nothing to do with the fact that most teams, including Dallas sucks at it and the filthydumpia igglets don't.

Ten thousand likes

 

[Cowboys5217]

Looking forward to this play being removed from the game. Should've voted it out this year.

Why? Only one team is competent at it and that won't last long as players age out or leave the team.

It would be like wanting to make the hail mary play illegal because a team comes along and finds a way to succeed 80% of the time.

We can't just go around banning plays because one team gets good at it for a little while.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Because this is supposed to be the NFL.
Not Rugby. I said that in the off-season when the league
decided not to vote on it being removed.
I guarantee they get rid of it next year.

Football came from rugby. The tush push has been around the NFL a long time. It's just that now a team has had the stars align for them that this one play works well for them. And it's not like the Eagles just keep abusing this same play over and over again down the field. It is a play that only works in specific situations.

I don't think they get rid of it because it would make no sense to get rid of it.

 

[StarOfGlory]

no tough guy, it's a rugy play it should be banned
that has zero to do with how well anyone runs it

It’s not a rugby play. Get over it. I already explained why. As someone who played linebacker in college and both locks in rugby, I know the difference from being on the field and pitch.

 

[Toro9]

Has to be the worse executed Tush Push I have ever seen. Not impressed. Do better McCarthy. This was so BAD.

When I saw Leupke in the huddle I was thinking give it to him. Nope.

 

[CCBoy]

Football came from rugby. The tush push has been around the NFL a long time. It's just that now a team has had the stars align for them that this one play works well for them. And it's not like the Eagles just keep abusing this same play over and over again down the field. It is a play that only works in specific situations.

I don't think they get rid of it because it would make no sense to get rid of it.

Prove one doesn't understand the actual rugby concepts or instead of fully standing when they are used, here, are aimed directly at lower legs.

 

[RoboQB]

Why? Only one team is competent at it and that won't last long as players age out or leave the team.

It would be like wanting to make the hail mary play illegal because a team comes along and finds a way to succeed 80% of the time.

We can't just go around banning plays because one team gets good at it for a little while.

It has nothing to do with the Eagles.
Well, maybe 25% has to do with the Eagles... lol.
But seriously, it's an ugly play. Many who call the game have said as much. Soon, a player will get hurt.

Personally, I'd rather line up in 4 wide formation to spread everyone out an run a QB draw from shotgun. I never liked the pile in the trench to get half a yard. Make the defense play you straight up.

 

[Creeper]

After reviewing a couple of plays where the Eagles ran this play and then watching the failure of the Cowboys to run it I noticed a couple of things.

1. Hurts does not try to submarine on the play. He actually stands more upright behind the center and follows the center. The key is for the center to get a push so the QB has room to go forward. It is essenial the the C getsoff first. If the C is slow going forward and the NT beat him off th snap the play is over. The Eagles win this battle because Kelce is great at it.
2. Defenses are lining up in the neutral zone to stop this play. When the Cowboys ran it there were two Chargers on the DL whose helmets were beyond the helmets of the Cowboys Center. The rest of the DL were all in the neutral zone which is about the length of the football in front of the LOS. Considering the Cowboys got called two or three times in this game for offside, lining up in the neutral zone, it is odd that they would not call a penalty for the same infractions on the Tush Push play.

If refs are going to allow the DL to line up that close to the OL on that play, then it makes more sense to line up in a regular formation and run a QB sneak. At least then you force the defensive line to allow space in the neutral zone.

 

[Starforever]

do it in the endzone and it's a touchback, what's the difference???

No, once the ball cross the line it is a TD.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

I don’t like it because I think it’s a higher injury risk than many banned plays are. But if you are gonna do it you can’t have Dowdle being the pusher lol

It really does look like it should lead to injuries but the strange thing is I don't remember hearing about anyone getting hurt yet on it.

 

[vlad]

This team lacks discipline
Plays like these require everyone to do their job

Excellent point Visionary

Lost in all the personal assaults this forum has turned into are gems like this one. Probably some Venn diagram overlap with Why we’re always leading in penalties.

 

[conner01]

It really does look like it should lead to injuries but the strange thing is I don't remember hearing about anyone getting hurt yet on it.

I haven’t either but there is no doubt it’s more risk of injury than other things we’ve banned

 

[Deionindahood]

They just need to be trained to excell in the art of a scrum in rugby.

This form of tush push, is dangerous to player's legs as powerful force is aimed at the opposing players legs. It truly is a dangerous football technique...presently legal or not.

A plain QB sneak is the same thing. I believe Hurts will still have a high percentage of success even if the push is outlawed. And what I find ironic is that the Eagles, who have done the push for almost 2 years, have 0 injuries from the play. I wish we were efficient doing it.

 

[kevinhickey]

Has to be the worse executed Tush Push I have ever seen. Not impressed. Do better McCarthy. This was so BAD.

I watched the Eagle run this play several times last night and I noticed that somebody always reaches under the back of Hurst shoulder pads gaining leverage and pushing him forward. Then take a look at Hurts shoulder pads; they look rather large.