Can we talk about the Tush Push?

[EST_1986]

no tough guy, it's a rugy play it should be banned
that has zero to do with how well anyone runs it

When rugby guys are telling you it's not a rugby play, it's not. We just cant do it, nobody else in the NFL can do it to the success of the Eagles, so whiny Cowboy fans gonna whine

 

[bottleKids]

Not the biggest fan of Dak on the field, but his reply to this was brilliant and hilarious. He is good behind a Mic I will give him that.

 

[J-man]

When rugby guys are telling you it's not a rugby play, it's not. We just cant do it, nobody else in the NFL can do it to the success of the Eagles, so whiny Cowboy fans gonna whine

I'll just ignore your idiotic remark about me being a whiny fan, because you're obviously a clueless troll. Have you ever seen a Rugby game???
Regardless of whatever supposed rugby guys are telling you, it absolutely is pulled straight from the Rugby 101 playbook. And I don't think the play should be allowed in the game of football. It may not technically be illegal, (YET) but it definitely goes against the spirit of our game. Again, it has nothing to do with the fact that most teams, including Dallas sucks at it and the filthydumpia igglets don't.

 

[Mark]

Jerry stated on 105.3 that he has no problem with the play.

Haven't made up my mind. Yes, it's unfortunate that the Eagles are so good at it, and the Cowboys apparently aren't. Doesn't it come down to superior line play?

Interesting that there is at least one rule in place that prevents defensive players from assisting each other physically during the course of a play. I suppose one could make the argument that the "Brotherly Shove" is analogous to that.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Has to be the worse executed Tush Push I have ever seen. Not impressed. Do better McCarthy. This was so BAD.

It's never going to work if the center gets blown backwards like Bidascz does here.

Kelce at worst is going to stalemate his guy which allows Hurts room and time to push or get pushed forward.

 

[Captain-Crash]

"we can't do it so let's ban it" /shrugs

 

[EST_1986]

I'll just ignore your idiotic remark about me being a whiny fan, because you're obviously a clueless troll. Have you ever seen a Rugby game???
Regardless of whatever supposed rugby guys are telling you, it absolutely is pulled straight from the Rugby 101 playbook. And I don't think the play should be allowed in the game of football. It may not technically be illegal, (YET) but it definitely goes against the spirit of our game. Again, it has nothing to do with the fact that most teams, including Dallas sucks at it and the filthydumpia igglets don't.

I know youre the expert here, or atleast playing one on the internet but.....

"I think it's bull****," Mailata said via 94 WIP. "I think you're doing a disservice to the sport and the players that play rugby. It's got nothing to do with the pushes, it's got something to do with the QB who can squat 600 pounds."


Mailata was drafted by the Eagles in the seventh round of the 2018 NFL Draft through the league's International Player Pathway Program, coming from Australia's South Sydney Rabbitohs, a rugby club.

 

[EST_1986]

"we can't do it so let's ban it" /shrugs

thats all it boils down to, fans here wouldn't be a bunch of baby back cry babies if Dak hit the weight room and was able to do this play as well as Hurts

 

[Ccureton]

It works for the eagles because Kelsey is awesome and Jalen is ridiculously strong for for someone his size. Go look at videos of him squatting at Bama.

 

[visionary]

This team lacks discipline
Plays like these require everyone to do their job

 

[StarOfGlory]

I know it's all in hindsight, but that would have been a much better plan.

The Cowboys have 300+ LB guys on the roster. Why weren't they lined up in the backfield?

If the 300+ LB guys on the line did their job better, you wouldn't need 300+ LB guys pushing from behind. The key to that play, which is basically a glorified QB sneak, and has nothing to do with rugby, is right in front of the QB. They have Jason Kelce, we don't.

 

[EST_1986]

If the 300+ LB guys on the line did their job better, you wouldn't need 300+ LB guys pushing from behind. The key to that play, which is basically a glorified QB sneak, and has nothing to do with rugby, is right in front of the QB. They have Jason Kelce, we don't.

Residential expert on all things Rugby and sorrowing fan @J-man disagrees

 

[StarOfGlory]

Residential expert on all things Rugby and sorrowing fan @J-man disagrees

Then I wonder if he ever played Rugby.

Rugby scrum: Players interlocking with each other against the opposing scrum.
Tush Push: Players not touching each other and thrusting forward to make contact at the start of a play.

Rugby scrum: Controlling the area in the middle of the scrum so your team can hook the ball (roll the ball backward) to your player.
Tush Push: Occupy the area directly in front of the center and guards through brute force and technique and bring the ball forward over a line.

Rugby scrum: Players in the scrum do not want to go low, for the scrum would collapse and the chance of injury is greater. In fact, you do not want the scrum to collapse. Players must be squared up. No angled attack is allowed. Back liners on the scrum cannot disengage until the ball is free.
Tush Push: Players anywhere can attack angles, go low, and basically do anything within the rules to gain control and occupy the area in front of the ball carrier.

Anyone who says they are the same never played Rugby, or never understood the game they were playing. After I finished playing college football, I played club rugby for 10 years, as a prop (#1 or #3, for those who know the positions). At 6'4", 260, I was the right size for the position.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Jerry stated on 105.3 that he has no problem with the play.

Haven't made up my mind. Yes, it's unfortunate that the Eagles are so good at it, and the Cowboys apparently aren't. Doesn't it come down to superior line play?

Interesting that there is at least one rule in place that prevents defensive players from assisting each other physically during the course of a play. I suppose one could make the argument that the "Brotherly Shove" is analogous to that.

I don't know about that....but ALL teams assist the ball carrier down the field.

I.E. Pollard tears off a 7 yard run and gets stood up there...momentum stopped. Then ..Dallas OLinemen and TE=WRs come up behind Pollard...pushing the whole pile down the filed further another yard or 2.

Every team does that. Same as Brotherly Shove.

That will be tied to The Shoce play if it's outlawed

 

[Crazed Liotta Eyes]

The Eagles are the best "sneaking" team in league history....because they have a HOF center that is kind of squatty and can easily get real low, as well as probowl guard and tackles....and the strongest QB in the league.

Why do teams just think they can copy that?

It's like saying "hey, let's just set up a West Coast passing attack like the 1989 forty niners had"

Personnel matters.

I'm not sure I've ever agreed with one of your posts but in my opinion, you nailed this one.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I'm not sure I've ever agreed with one of your posts but in my opinion, you nailed this one.

Hey thanks!

Wait......whaaa? Heeyyyyyy

 

[TwentyOne]

Has to be the worse executed Tush Push I have ever seen. Not impressed. Do better McCarthy. This was so BAD.

You actually need a QB who looks where he lets his tush push to and not someone who lowers his helmet and hope that the talent around will solve his problems.

 

[Crazed Liotta Eyes]

Hey thanks!

Wait......whaaa? Heeyyyyyy

Yeah, kind of a weak compliment. I would react the same way. You made a solid point and I appreciate it.

 

[KingCorcoran]

They just need to be trained to excell in the art of a scrum in rugby.

This form of tush push, is dangerous to player's legs as powerful force is aimed at the opposing players legs. It truly is a dangerous football technique...presently legal or not.

The rule change allowing pushing the ball carrier is what allows this play. Simply change the rule back to how it was prior to the 2006 season. Why was it changed in the first place? No one, on either team, has ever suffered any injury during the Eagles “tush push”. So the “dangerous” argument is nonsense. If the league doesn’t want the ball carrier to be pushed by teammates they can change the rule and the “tush push” is gone. Taking a play away simply because one team does it well is probably something the NFL is reluctant to do. Because there will be another play some teams may want prohibited. More injuries occur during forward passes than pushing the ball carrier. If dangerous is the criteria, than the argument could be used to eliminate plays that result in injuries.

 

[CCBoy]

The rule change allowing pushing the ball carrier is what allows this play. Simply change the rule back to how it was prior to the 2006 season. Why was it changed in the first place? No one, on either team, has ever suffered any injury during the Eagles “tush push”. So the “dangerous” argument is nonsense. If the league doesn’t want the ball carrier to be pushed by teammates they can change the rule and the “tush push” is gone. Taking a play away simply because one team does it well is probably something the NFL is reluctant to do. Because there will be another play some teams may want prohibited. More injuries occur during forward passes than pushing the ball carrier. If dangerous is the criteria, than the argument could be used to eliminate plays that result in injuries.

You do NOT even comprehend the total formation. No, it isn't JUST pushing FROM BEHIND.

First concept: an en mass intense burst of energy that by itself, can blow up body parts when it occurs all at once. That in no way is a controlled explosion with force.

Second, the brunt of that explosion of power is at the level of an opponents' legs. You know nothing or comprehend how very dangerous that is. It involves more than just a neat looking event. It is without doubt, very dangerous and if gone wrong at all, in no doubt, can start to end careers with blown out arms, shoulders, and intensely dangerous to legs where it all ends up being directed.

This is not a comparison of stats, but a real danger. This has just been introduced into the NFL.

Ever play rugby? This evolves down to a modified scrum technique and forcing line movement. Ever felt the power and intensity of that lock up? That involves intensity for a one to three foot good movement. But here, instead of shoulder level connection...it is lowered to below the waste. Injuries will show up and give one numbers. Oh, those glorious numbers that you accuse another as being stupid about...