Can you imagine Linehan replacing Kubiak, and Romo following?

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That's the key. And of course it wouldn't be the same, but again, he wants to start. That's where the discussion begins and ends. I'm sure he'd rather compete somewhere else than be a backup here.

thats what i think too. hes gone after this season. im sure jerry will do everything in his power to land him somewhere he wants to be at.

i was leaning towards denver. but w a new coach to be hired maybe they want a fresh start w a young qb.
 

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Here are ramifications if Dallas trades or releases Romo:

1) If Dallas trades Romo - they absorb 19.6 million in signing bonus in 2017. Romo was set to make 24.7 million in 2017 so Cowboys would save 5.1 million if they trade him. I see nothing more than conditional pick for Romo as Dallas will have little leverage as Tony will only accept trade to few Super-Bowl ready teams.

2) If Dallas releases Romo they can spread 19.6 signing bonus over 2 years. 9.8 million would count against cap in 2017 & 2018. Dallas would save 14.9 million in 2017.

When you look at numbers its clear what Dallas should do. The additional 9.8 million in savings by releasing him instead of trading him (14.9 - 5.1) is much more valuable in resigning players or adding FAs vs getting a conditional pick that would carry high risk with Romo health concerns.
Exactly. The savings are massive if he's released, and can easily be the better move for the team over anything less than a high pick in a trade.
 

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Then again... if Tony's traded, then his new team accepts his contract and its guarantees through 2019... which is obviously preferable to him over being released, which effectively would mean after that release he's almost certainly going to lose big money in that newly negotiated contract with his new team... right?
 

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Exactly. The savings are massive if he's released, and can easily be the better move for the team over anything less than a high pick in a trade.
the savings are exactly the same if he is cut, traded or retires

the whole June 1st thing just splits the costs over 2 years but they add up to the same amount

releasing him is like tearing up a 1st round pick
 

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Then again... if Tony's traded, then his new team accepts his contract and its guarantees through 2019... which is obviously preferable to him over being released, which effectively means he's almost certainly going to lose big money in that newly negotiated contract with his new team... right?
I'f I'm not mistaken, if he's released, he gets his guaranteed money, plus the new contract with the team he signs with. He'd effectively be getting paid by two teams. He would likely make far more money being released rather than traded.
 
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If he's released, he gets his guaranteed money, plus the new contract with the team he signs with. He'd effectively be getting paid by two teams. He would likely make far more money being released rather than traded.

Total guaranteed money remaining 2017-2019 = $54.0m

Total owed to him under the contract if completed as-is = $73.6m
 

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Total guaranteed money remaining 2017-2019 = $54.0m

Total owed to him under the contract if completed as-is = $73.6m
He is owed ZERO guaranteed money......nada....zippo...nothing

His 14m base salary is a team option

If a team traded for him they would have to pay him 14m if they kept him for 2017 but they could also renegotiate for more guaranteed than 0m and less base salaries in 2017-2019
 

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Why would the Cowboys send Romo to the Broncos if they take Linehan from us?
 

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I stand corrected... brain cramp... yes, the guarantees are year to year.

Seemingly, all the more reason for him to prefer to play this contract through.
 

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Problem for Linehan in Denver is it will be a completely different offense. Kubiak is very West Coast and Linehan is very Coryell/Zampese. Although I don't think they used the WCO very much with Peyton at QB as he ran more of a Coryell/Zampese offense.

The best way for the Cowboys to keep Linehan is to make it to the Super Bowl. By then, most teams want their head coach.




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I can. Total conjecture, of course. But you have to admit, it makes some sense.
No.

Paxton Lynch is the starter next year.

Romo should rework his deal to stay in - Dallas and retire here.

No team is going to take a chance on him for any real money.
 

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Trade per Overthecap.com = $5m cap savings plus some throw-in draft pick probably

Release post June 1 (which doesn't technically have to be done post June 1 anymore, from what I understand) = $14m cap savings
If you consider both the 2017 and 2018 seasons it is 14M savings regardless of cut/trade and pre or post June 1st.
 

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I think Tony's financial best interest clearly is served by continuing to play under this contract. To give up this contract, he gives up nearly $20m total, minus whatever he can negotiate with a new team, which is a classic bird-in-the-hand vs. two-in-the-bush dilemma. You just can't do much better as an NFL QB than to be playing under the contract he has... then, when you add-in his age and injury history as factors... it's more like he already has two birds, so why go looking in the bush?

I think Jerry's content to accommodate that (ie, not release him) b/c Jerry's actually already making out better than he'd expected--there's a 2nd string salary between $2m and $5m that he now doesn't have to budget for, since the guy he'd anticipated being 3rd string did what he did.

I think Jerry and Tony end up making an agreement that he'll only be traded this off-season, not released, and to a team that meets the expectations of both sides--i.e., a place where Tony thinks he can be successful and a team from whom Jerry feels he's getting an adequate asset in return.

So, going back to where this thread started... I think DEN, especially with Linehan hired, satisfies Tony's expectation, but then they'll have to come up with some asset that gets Jerry's attention though at minimal sacrifice to their current roster or their 2017 draft.

I think they have one. Introducing your next #2 QB... Trevor Siemien. Signed for the next two seasons at the ridiculous price of ~$600K. Get Elway to add to that the best 2018 draft pick you can negotiate, and call it a day.

Next time Jerry or Stephen calls me, I'll give them that advice, and tell them Plan B is to just wait to see if you can pull off a Sam Bradford robbery right before the season starts with some team acceptable to Tony and also in desperate need as MIN proved to be.
 

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The problem with Denver is that Elway is terrible at spotting QB talent. Which is surprising for an ex-QB. Look at his recent record - Osweiller, Simien, Lynch.

As Elway has a very inflated view of his own abilities he'll continue to pursue the 'next big thing' and get bust every time. He would be better served accepting his own limitations and trusting his scouts/coaches.
 

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Haven't read all the posts so not sure if this has been mentioned but....

A wildcard for Romo AND Denver may be Sean Payton. He may not be back in New Orleans and he would be the best HC on the market. Denver could get a SB winning, offensive minded HC who may keep Wade and the defense intact. Plus, Payton has a relationship with Romo. That would be interesting to see if it developed.
 

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Why would the Cowboys send Romo to the Broncos if they take Linehan from us?
A. You get Romo out of the NFC so you don't have to compete against him in the playoffs unless its the SuperBowl.

B. You got to do right by Romo for what he has done for this franchise, that means sending him to a super bowl caliber team that just needs a QB, so Denver fits. Jerry is not going to send Romo to some scrub NFL wasteland team like the Browns or Jags, he is just not going to do that to Romo.
 

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They're gonna call Dak the King Slayer or the Legend Killer. This year he's gonna beat Brady and the Patriots in the Super Bowl and Brady's career will fall off a cliff starting next year. And next year he's gonna beat Romo and the Broncos in the Super Bowl and Romo's career will be over after that. Good night. Who's next?

Now I know what your New Years Wish List includes..... Great one :):):)
 
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