Can you imagine our draft w/out the RW trade?

[zrinkill]

If he would have hit the open market we may have gotten into a bidding war that we couldn't compete in with Demarcus Wares contract looming.

exactly

 

[TellerMorrow34]

And why wouldn't Detroit Franchise Roy Williams and just put him on the trading block like the Pats did with Cassell?


Beat me to it.

Oh they absolutely could have. But if you think they'd have done Dallas a favor, the way New England did for Kansas City, you're a lot more hopeful about the world than I am.

We'd have still given up a couple high draft choices to get him as a franchised player and again then they don't necassarily have to deal him to Dallas. Anyone of those other teams needing a reciever could have swooped in with something and taken him.

Jones got him when he knew he could get him and it's a better player for that 20th pick we gave up than any WR we'd have gotten at that point.

In that case, I'd take him for a 2nd and be given a veteran pro-bowl linebacker in return.

lol. Yeah, like I said, there is little chance that something like that would have happened for us.

 

[CATCH17]

I just think we were competing against ourselves. I'm sure we could have waited until this offseason and gotten him for relatively nothing, but Jerry panicked after Tony's injury. Oh well, hindsight.

I doubt it.

Hes to good, young, and good character of a receiver for a lot of teams not be all over him.

At this stage in his career he reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress without the attitude and probably is better at this point than Burress was at that point in his career when he left Pitt.

 

[CATCH17]

Oh they absolutely could have. But if you think they'd have done Dallas a favor, the way New England did for Kansas City, you're a lot more hopeful about the world than I am.

We'd have still given up a couple high draft choices to get him as a franchised player and again then they don't necassarily have to deal him to Dallas. Anyone of those other teams needing a reciever could have swooped in with something and taken him.

Jones got him when he knew he could get him and it's a better player for that 20th pick we gave up than any WR we'd have gotten at that point.




lol. Yeah, like I said, there is little chance that something like that would have happened for us.

Oh I don't think that at all. I actually think someone with better draft choices than we had might have taken him.

Im sure Detroit had no clue that we wouldn't make the playoffs either. I bet they thought they would get picks no sooner than pick 28 in the 1st.

 

[Asa55]

If he would have hit the open market we may have gotten into a bidding war that we couldn't compete in with Demarcus Wares contract looming.

Vikings, Eagles, Colts, Titans, and im sure more teams that I can't think of off the top of my head would have been very happy to over pay Roy Williams.

I don't have a problem for overpaying for him either because Jerry tried anything he could to push this team over the top and get us in the Superbowl. He did his part with the pieces that were on the field but our players did way to many boneheaded things that prevented us from winning.

I'm sure all those teams would have loved to overpay for RW just like they beat each other up to sign TJ Whosyourmomma. Who was a whole lot more productive than Roy.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I doubt it.

Hes to good, young, and good character of a receiver for a lot of teams not be all over him.

At this stage in his career he reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress without the attitude and probably is better at this point than Burress was at that point in his career when he left Pitt.

I'll give you the fact that he's young, and he's built like Plax. But nothing about his play last year, or the year before - reminded me of anything like Plaxico.

 

[Asa55]

In the spirit of the OP's intent, yes that would have been pretty awesome. Regardless of what we would have needed, it would have been awfully fun gearing up for it.

I love the fact that we've got 11 picks and relatively few needs but it's not as fun when you're not picking till the 50s.

Thanks man. My point exactly.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh I don't think that at all. I actually think someone with better draft choices than we had might have taken him.

Im sure Detroit had no clue that we wouldn't make the playoffs either. I bet they thought they would get picks no sooner than pick 28 in the 1st.

*nods* I hear ya.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm sure all those teams would have loved to overpay for RW just like they beat each other up to sign TJ Whosyourmomma. Who was a whole lot more productive than Roy.

Roy is better than TJ and has much more potential. Thats why more teams would be after him.

Plus Roy is 26. Not 31.

 

[Doomsay]

He looked like a nice complement to TO, but the Jury is out on his ability to be a consistent elite #1 receiver in the NFL IMO.

 

[Apollo Creed]

He looked like a nice complement to TO, but the Jury is out on his ability to be a consistent elite #1 receiver in the NFL IMO.

I'm with you. He's 26, and his build would suggest he's a #1 guy. I just don't think he has the mental makeup or the work ethic to be as good as he's been advertised his whole career.

Granted, he's never played with a good team or QB before - but even when he was in a wide open offense, always playing from behind, and just chucking the ball down the field, he still wasn't the clear-cut #1 there.

 

[SMCowboy]

I'm with you. He's 26, and his build would suggest he's a #1 guy. I just don't think he has the mental makeup or the work ethic to be as good as he's been advertised his whole career.

Granted, he's never played with a good team or QB before - but even when he was in a wide open offense, always playing from behind, and just chucking the ball down the field, he still wasn't the clear-cut #1 there.

Well, it depends on what you mean about being the clear cut #1. Until maybe the last two years, Roy Williams has always without a doubt been the clear cut #1 WR on paper, unless you think that other teams viewed Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, or Mike Furrey as the teams #1 WR.

However, in all actuality, even TO was not the clear cut #1 guy in Dallas the last two year, that title belongs to Jason Witten.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Again you guys are missing the point of my post. But if this is where it's going then ok. We need another WR so we go and sign Roy Williams to a FA contract since once he got to FA you know JJ wouldn't let him get away.

Now we still have Roy and the draft picks. Happy now?

I didnt miss your point. Your point is we could have had more picks.

You then go on to say we need another WR. We have one in Rw11.


So in summary. You just didnt like the RW trade/picks.


Got it!

 

[silverbear]

Not here to debate whether or not it was a good trade. Just looking at our original picks before the trade.

round
1-1 pick
2-1 pick
3-2 picks
4-2 picks
5-3 picks (1 comp?)
6-3 picks (1 comp)
7-1 pick

Now that would be some ammo for a great draft.

Of course, in that scenario, the Cowboys probably don't cut TO... and if they did, they'd pretty much HAVE to use that first rounder on a WR...

So, what do you reckon the odds are that they'd be able to draft a WR as good as Roy at pick 21??

Beyond that, I have read that some of the rules have changed regarding contract structures as a result of the uncapped year in 2010, and it has been suggested that some teams will have a hard time getting their first rounders signed... I have a hunch that this was part of what motivated Jerry to trade that first rounder for Roy...

 

[Doomsay]

Well, it depends on what you mean about being the clear cut #1. Until maybe the last two years, Roy Williams has always without a doubt been the clear cut #1 WR on paper, unless you think that other teams viewed Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, or Mike Furrey as the teams #1 WR.

However, in all actuality, even TO was not the clear cut #1 guy in Dallas the last two year, that title belongs to Jason Witten.

I think that having the most TD's in the NFL over a three year span would confirm TO's #1 receiver status.

Roy Williams has only had one complete season, only one 1000 yard season and I don't think has ever been top 10 in terms of TD's. Not elite starter stats so far - part of it could be the Lions, but they were pretty pass happy for most of his tenure. Let's see how he does here, but he wasn't impressive last year - injury was only part of it, he didn't learn / or gave up on his routes.

He certainly gets a pass on 2008, but to hold him up as a sure bet vs. the potential of upper middle 1st 3rd and 6th round picks is not correct IMO.

 

[elcowboi]

I was reading where Jerry Jones said Roy Williams is already at VR working out. A draft pick wouldn't be working out with the QB this early. Jerry did the right thing by pulling the strings last year. We DEFINITELY would not have won a bidding war with D-Ware not being signed yet.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Williams is better than any wide receiver we could have gotten there.

Also having so many picks that high, and signing them to contracts in 2009 with a looming uncapped year, would have put so much stress on the cap that extending Ware's contract would have been much more challenging. And even if doable, we probably would not have had all the other free-agent signings we've seen this offseason, and I'm liking those pretty well.

So I'm actually glad Jerry Jones had the foresight to use those picks to immediately upgrade the WR position, put those dollars on last year's book, and clear future cap space for free-agent needs, while still giving us enough picks in the draft to flexibly move around and draft a "steal" at a more reaosnable cost should one start falling to us.

 

[Idgit]

I'll play along with the OP. Yes, it would have been a great draft position. I liked the Williams deal, but had we gone another direction, we'd be in great shape right now. Maybe better shape. We'd have the ammo to trade a mid-round pick for Holt. We'd have extra cap room, we could still have shed TO, and we'd be in position to draft young players at whatever position groups need support. Only downside is the contract implications of signing the picks going into an uncapped year, and I don't know how to evaluate how much of an issue that really is or isn't.

 

[iceberg]

Not here to debate whether or not it was a good trade. Just looking at our original picks before the trade.

round
1-1 pick
2-1 pick
3-2 picks
4-2 picks
5-3 picks (1 comp?)
6-3 picks (1 comp)
7-1 pick

Now that would be some ammo for a great draft.

can you imagine our WR core w/o roy williams on it now?

sigh...

 

[skinsscalper]

He looked like a nice complement to TO, but the Jury is out on his ability to be a consistent elite #1 receiver in the NFL IMO.

I have my doubts, and I hope I'm wrong, but he wasn't even the #1 WR on a team that eventually went 0-16. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I pray he proves me wrong, but color me skeptical.