Can you imagine our draft w/out the RW trade?

[hendog]

No you didn't get it. My point wasn't that we would have more picks. That's a given. My pt is that I love prepping for the draft. Reading draft mags and doing mock drafts. Watching what vids I can on the net and reading the "experts" opinions.

It's one of my favorite things in all of sports - the NFL draft. It just takes a little of the fun out of it for me when we don't have a first and that extra 3rd and 6th to play with.

As far as the trade I actually like it. I'm a big fan of Roy and a UT fan. I actually have a Roy #4 UT jersey! I'm thrilled to have him on the team and don't think outside of MAYBE Crabtree we couldn't get anyone of RW's talent at #20.

I understand what you're trying to say. I'm a big draft fan too and not having a pick in the 1st just makes it not quite as fun. I'm glad we have RW as well.

 

[CATCH17]

I understand what you're trying to say. I'm a big draft fan too and not having a pick in the 1st just makes it not quite as fun. I'm glad we have RW as well.

I've been watching the draft since the Greg Ellis draft so im fine with missing out on it for a year.

Plus we had 2 first round picks last year so its all good.

 

[aikemirv]

I think I am probably one of the few that think:

1)Detroit never would have franchised him because Roy would then be holding the cards and they would not risk having to pay him 10 mill for the year, because he has to approve a contract to be traded and he wanted to go to Dallas.

2) that the 10 mill a year contract that Dallas gave him would have been plenty to get him here.

3) that we then could have had our cake and ate it too and sitting there with all the picks.

4)it was only a good trade if we made it far into the playoffs

I am not knocking Jerry for trying though at all.

 

[Doomsay]

I think I am probably one of the few that think:

1)Detroit never would have franchised him because Roy would then be holding the cards and they would not risk having to pay him 10 mill for the year, because he has to approve a contract to be traded and he wanted to go to Dallas.

2) that the 10 mill a year contract that Dallas gave him would have been plenty to get him here.

3) that we then could have had our cake and ate it too and sitting there with all the picks.

4)it was only a good trade if we made it far into the playoffs

I am not knocking Jerry for trying though at all.

Well said - not only did we lose those 3 picks, we payed up for an unproven and inconsitent #1 receiver. Jerry thought we were going to be the '07 Giants at some point, which is why he brought Pacman back from his 2nd suspension as well.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Not here to debate whether or not it was a good trade. Just looking at our original picks before the trade.

round
1-1 pick
2-1 pick
3-2 picks
4-2 picks
5-3 picks (1 comp?)
6-3 picks (1 comp)
7-1 pick

Now that would be some ammo for a great draft.

Not to diminish the thought of such largess, but we'd still have Jerra/Wade/underlings making the picks. So problably not the big loss you envision.

 

[sonnyboy]

I think I am probably one of the few that think:

1)Detroit never would have franchised him because Roy would then be holding the cards and they would not risk having to pay him 10 mill for the year, because he has to approve a contract to be traded and he wanted to go to Dallas.

2) that the 10 mill a year contract that Dallas gave him would have been plenty to get him here.

3) that we then could have had our cake and ate it too and sitting there with all the picks.

4)it was only a good trade if we made it far into the playoffs

I am not knocking Jerry for trying though at all.

If Point 1 were a given then sure. But it's not. We've seen this over and over. Most of the time the guy gets tagged. Roy would've been tagged.

Roy is a very good player. The Lions invested a top 10 draft pick on the guy. Other teams besides the Cowboys would want to acquire him.

THE LIONS WERE NOT JUST GOING TO LET HIM GO.

He would've been traded and it would've netted a first day pick, no less.

 

[sonnyboy]

I understand what you're trying to say. I'm a big draft fan too and not having a pick in the 1st just makes it not quite as fun. I'm glad we have RW as well.

Watch the first round. When pick 20 comes shout out ROY WILLIAMS and you'll feel better.

 

[RS12]

can you imagine me 20 years younger, 3 inches taller, and better looking.

 

[Randy White]

I'm sure all those teams would have loved to overpay for RW just like they beat each other up to sign TJ Whosyourmomma. Who was a whole lot more productive than Roy.

T.J. Houshmandzadeh, 6'1, 200 lbs, 31 years old.

Career
7 years (103 games ): 507 receptions, 5,782 yards, 37 TDs catches.


Roy Williams, 6'2, 220 lbs, 28 years old.

Career
6 years ( 70 games ): 280 receptions, 4,080 yards, 30 TDs catches



It seems to me that those stats are pretty even, only T.J. is 3 years older, has played 33 more games ( equivalent of 2 FULL seasons ) and has played with better QBs than RW has.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm with you. He's 26, and his build would suggest he's a #1 guy. I just don't think he has the mental makeup or the work ethic to be as good as he's been advertised his whole career.

Granted, he's never played with a good team or QB before - but even when he was in a wide open offense, always playing from behind, and just chucking the ball down the field, he still wasn't the clear-cut #1 there.

Do you actually look at his stat sheet. Hes had a 1300 yard season. Plax had as well. Actually if you compare the two's averages over their first four years they are remarkably similar. They have similar builds similar stats.

RW11's ability has never been in question. He did all of this in Detroit where they essentially had no offseason program compared to Plax who was either under Coughlin or Chin. He is here early this offseason and working with Romo probably as we speak which hopefully will help counter what is really his big weakness, he is always hurt.

He averages missing about 4 games a year and this past season was no excepetion. Talent is not the issue neither is production when he is on the field and healthy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not to diminish the thought of such largess, but we'd still have Jerra/Wade/underlings making the picks. So problably not the big loss you envision.

Our drafts have been solid; this past one was excellent.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think I am probably one of the few that think:

1)Detroit never would have franchised him because Roy would then be holding the cards and they would not risk having to pay him 10 mill for the year, because he has to approve a contract to be traded and he wanted to go to Dallas.



2) that the 10 mill a year contract that Dallas gave him would have been plenty to get him here.

3) that we then could have had our cake and ate it too and sitting there with all the picks.

4)it was only a good trade if we made it far into the playoffs

I am not knocking Jerry for trying though at all.

No, the Lions would have franchised him because they would have held all the cards. When a team franchises a player they retain their rights for trade. Roy didn't want to be there so he wouldn't want to sign that contract with no signing bonus or guaranteed money. The Lions would still be able to remove the tag at any time. The Lions would have had to be insane not to use the franchise tag.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Do you actually look at his stat sheet. Hes had a 1300 yard season. Plax had as well. Actually if you compare the two's averages over their first four years they are remarkably similar. They have similar builds similar stats.

RW11's ability has never been in question. He did all of this in Detroit where they essentially had no offseason program compared to Plax who was either under Coughlin or Chin. He is here early this offseason and working with Romo probably as we speak which hopefully will help counter what is really his big weakness, he is always hurt.

He averages missing about 4 games a year and this past season was no excepetion. Talent is not the issue neither is production when he is on the field and healthy.

As I've clearly stated here several times...

His stats are inflated because he played in a pass-heavy offense that always played from behind, and were constantly running vertical routes and just chucking the ball deep down the field.

I don't give up a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for a guy with work ethic questions, durability questions, and football IQ questions.

 

[TheCount]

Our drafts have been solid; this past one was excellent.

I think we've got to wait a few years to say that, all we can say right now is that it's promising.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think we've got to wait a few years to say that, all we can say right now is that it's promising.

Na, last years was a great draft. Felix, Choice, Scandrick, Jenkins, and Bennett are better than any other 5 from any other team.

We did very well last year.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry has put a lot of pressure on Roy by releasing TO. The expectations are set very-high for him and he is playing with his favorite team growing up. The guy knows that there are no excuses anymore.

 

[khiladi]

His stats are inflated because he played in a pass-heavy offense that always played from behind, and were constantly running vertical routes and just chucking the ball deep down the field.

Well than, he'll fit right in at Valley Ranch..

 

[TNCowboy]

Roy Williams is has often been described as unproductive, but his per game #s pretty much mirror recently inducted HOFer Art Monk.

 

[speedkilz88]

As I've clearly stated here several times...

His stats are inflated because he played in a pass-heavy offense that always played from behind, and were constantly running vertical routes and just chucking the ball deep down the field.

I don't give up a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for a guy with work ethic questions, durability questions, and football IQ questions.

I don't think anyone is buying.

 

[iceberg]

As I've clearly stated here several times...

His stats are inflated because he played in a pass-heavy offense that always played from behind, and were constantly running vertical routes and just chucking the ball deep down the field.

I don't give up a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for a guy with work ethic questions, durability questions, and football IQ questions.

but he put up the #'s when asked, right? you may not like HOW he did it, but he did.

i got it. you don't like roy so he sucks. if his #s say otherwise, you disprove those to keep the hate alive.

sigh...