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What I dont understand he checked down the whole game. But we have a minute 20 to go get in FG range and then he starts trying to win the game in one play. Baffled

Into double coverage, no less.

And the sack, when he clearly could've thrown the ball away?

Like I said, full-blown, idiotic football.
 

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Play Moore!

I'm serious.

These veteran QB's offer nothing but spineless, idiotic, scared, losing football.

If he continues the losing, we just move up in the draft to select (hopefully) the next great Cowboys QB.
The problem is that Romo will end up coming back in just enough time to give us a false positive from this disaster of a season but completely screw our draft position.

It's the Cowboy way.
 

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This team has to be bottom five red zone offense.
 

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Playing not to lose has gotten them nothing but losses...

I'd argue that it's the lack of takeaways, the generally poor QB play, and the ST gaffes that have gotten us the losses and that playing not to lose has kept us in a couple of these tight games. But I definitely agree that the losses are incredibly frustrating.
 

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What I dont understand he checked down the whole game. But we have a minute 20 to go get in FG range and then he starts trying to win the game in one play. Baffled

That seems to be our offensive mindset even when Romo was playing. It's absolutely dumbfounding.
 

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He definitely plays not to lose when he doesn't like his personnel as much. Last year, we saw him being a lot more aggressive when he was clearly more comfortable that the risks were in his favor.

I didn't like the Cassel v. SEA secondary matchup at all, myself, going into the game. And didn't really see anything going on during the game to change my mind, either. I'm not sure what else there is to do, but resorting to low-percentage football isn't very high on my list of things to try right now.

no but you have to take a chance at some point and not just concede. Dallas isn't the only team who has to play with a back up during the season. Other teams play to win, and many of them do. You can't just say, they are not going to let me score, so I am not going to try. In this game, in the drive after the blocked FG, 3 and 2, one first down gets them close to mid field. But he runs right into the middle of the line, where Seattle knew he would. A quick bootleg would have netted a first down and kept the drive going. Instead he gave up, and put it on the shoulders of the defense, knowing full well the defense has let him down time after time.
 

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Isn't this the same topic as the coaching thread?

Any neutral observer of last weeks game would say the Cowboys were highly likely to have won that game with a slightly more conservative offensive strategy.

The Cowboys with their backup QB were very close to winning against the Seahawks. If the game is close with Cassel as the QB then the coaching was probably not a huge part of the problem.

Be Careful, you don't wanna post using an ACCURATE, LOGICAL THOUGHT PROCESS! Didn;t you know that the coaching staff is the problem and if they only called more deep passes and allowed Cassel to throw the ball more in the redzone, we would've CLEARLY beaten the great Seahawks?!
 

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I told you so! Some of you said Dez would make a difference but I astutely assessed, no he won't without Romo.
 

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Maybe so. But the problem is we're losing either which way so why not actually try to win one for once. It happened against Atlanta, Detroit and now Seattle. All games that we should have won.

Hey, the losing sucks. Really hard. I still think playing the probabilities makes more sense than going against them does. It's just really not fun to watch.

Then again, maybe we'll watch the film and see all kinds of missed opportunities. To me, other than the ST coverage units sucking, I thought this was two pretty good teams with two bad W/L records slugging out a close football game. SEA was playing hard, and we didn't have any magic to pull out and use at the end against that good defense.
 

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no but you have to take a chance at some point and not just concede. Dallas isn't the only team who has to play with a back up during the season. Other teams play to win, and many of them do. You can't just say, they are not going to let me score, so I am not going to try. In this game, in the drive after the blocked FG, 3 and 2, one first down gets them close to mid field. But he runs right into the middle of the line, where Seattle knew he would. A quick bootleg would have netted a first down and kept the drive going. Instead he gave up, and put it on the shoulders of the defense, knowing full well the defense has let him down time after time.

When your defense holds Seattle to 10 points well into the 4th quarter, I would say that putting it into the hands of the defense is the right call.
 

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I'd argue that it's the lack of takeaways, the generally poor QB play, and the ST gaffes that have gotten us the losses and that playing not to lose has kept us in a couple of these tight games. But I definitely agree that the losses are incredibly frustrating.

Call it what you want, but Garrett has had several chances the last few weeks to roll the dice and show some guts and he hasn't done it. We could go back and forth about this forever, the fact is we are 0-5 doing it the same way. Playing "not to lose" is defeatist. The proof is on paper right now. This team won't win a single game until they throw caution to the wind and start going all out every chance they get. Garrett has proven over years this team is going to continue to make stupid mistakes. The only thing that has changed with the injuries is the inability to compensate. That's when good coaches figure it out and make adjustments.
 

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Be Careful, you don't wanna post using an ACCURATE, LOGICAL THOUGHT PROCESS! Didn;t you know that the coaching staff is the problem and if they only called more deep passes and allowed Cassel to throw the ball more in the redzone, we would've CLEARLY beaten the great Seahawks?!

Seattle has lost four games this year, many by lesser teams than ours. You don't just give up because you're playing the Seahawks. You have to give it your best shot. The game planning is flawed, they need to run crossing patterns, and pick plays to free up the WRs. The coaching is not helping out the QB very much by running the WRs up the field and beating their man one on one.
 

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Our backup quarterbacks aren't very good. Very few are.

Look, if you have a backup quarterback for a few games, you just run the ball and go 1-2 or 2-1. If you have one for eight games, you're done. Your best play is to lose and get a high pick.

We should have drafted Manziel. This should be a valuable learning time for a young quarterback.
 

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Our backup quarterbacks aren't very good. Very few are.

Look, if you have a backup quarterback for a few games, you just run the ball and go 1-2 or 2-1. If you have one for eight games, you're done. Your best play is to lose and get a high pick.

We should have drafted Manziel. This should be a valuable learning time for a young quarterback.

I wonder if the Browns would be open to trading him. I'd explore that option myself if I were JJ. I think him sitting behind Romo for a year or 2 would be brilliant
 

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Hey, the losing sucks. Really hard. I still think playing the probabilities makes more sense than going against them does. It's just really not fun to watch.

Then again, maybe we'll watch the film and see all kinds of missed opportunities. To me, other than the ST coverage units sucking, I thought this was two pretty good teams with two bad W/L records slugging out a close football game. SEA was playing hard, and we didn't have any magic to pull out and use at the end against that good defense.

I think it's become fairly obvious that in general, Cassel needs the receiver to be significantly open. He does not have pinpoint accuracy. He throws a few accurate balls but he is not consistently accurate.

The throw to Dez on the slant early in the game was behind him. The throw on a slant needs to lead the receiver which was a problem for Weed and sometimes a problem for Cassel.
 

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Call it what you want, but Garrett has had several chances the last few weeks to roll the dice and show some guts and he hasn't done it. We could go back and forth about this forever, the fact is we are 0-5 doing it the same way. Playing "not to lose" is defeatist. The proof is on paper right now. This team won't win a single game until they throw caution to the wind and start going all out every chance they get. Garrett has proven over years this team is going to continue to make stupid mistakes. The only thing that has changed with the injuries is the inability to compensate. That's when good coaches figure it out and make adjustments.

Give me the guy who calls the game that gives us the best chance to win. The fact that we're 0-5 doesn't mean we're losing because we're not taking enough risks. Just look at the TO differential, the ST and defensive scores, and the poor ST coverage. These are simpler explanations for the losses. I don't need to resort to not going for it on a 4th-and-3 deep in the red zone when we needed the fg points for a reason why we're losing.

And, for the record, blaming Garrett or the coaches for the TO problems or the ST units is perfectly reasonable in my book. I'm not defending that. But I can't look at what I think are the real reasons we're getting beat and conclude what we should be doing is taking bigger risks in the passing game. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
 

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Seattle has lost four games this year, many by lesser teams than ours. You don't just give up because you're playing the Seahawks. You have to give it your best shot. The game planning is flawed, they need to run crossing patterns, and pick plays to free up the WRs. The coaching is not helping out the QB very much by running the WRs up the field and beating their man one on one.

Thanks, Coach. Why haven't you gotten a job in the NFL yet? Sure do seem to know what the Cowboys should be doing much more than the coaches we currently have.
 
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