Cardinals Turn down Commanders trade offer for boldin.

[Smith22]

Would a 3rd CB provide a championship??

You have to look further ahead than that. TNew will be looking for big money and Henry has struggled with the injury bug. Throw in the fact that we have no depth behind them and CB is a MUST fill position.

 

[Redball Express]

I'd be very upset if we offerred anything more than a first round pick for Roy Williams or Boldin.

If someone like the Skins wants to give away huge picks for a WR, let them. This morning their offer for Chad Johnson was revealed to be their first rounder and next year's 3rd...but if he caught 80 passes that would become a 2nd and if he caught 95 balls, it would be another first....that's insane!!!

I think it would likely be a first and a second for Chad...I don't think he's capable of catching 95 balls from Campbell...and he's not going to be happy when they are sailing over his head...Campbell is not Carson Palmer. I'm sorry, but not worth it, imo. He's a great receiver, but he's not going to put Washington over the top.

As the draft draws nearer, the picks become more valuable and the players offerred in trade usually have less value, so we had better not be offerring more selections for Boldin or Roy. I think we should stand where we are and draft players.

ON a side note, I believe the Bengals will end up trading Chad before the first round of the draft is over, and I believe he'll end up in our division with either Washington or Philly...probably Washington.

Maybe now the pipedreamers who think that Detroit is going to part with a RW for our #28 pick can wake up and smell the coffee.

These clubs are going to over-value their players and we will end up overpaying for anybody we decide we must have.

We can not possibly afford to give up 2 #1's again for a WR. We did that last time with Seattle and it killed our team for years.

Maybe now we can all realize the waste of time it is to continue to dream up these crazy draft-day trade scenarios and just concentrate on the reality of having two middle-to-low 1st Rd. picks that really aren't that great a value since it's becoming obvious by the day that just about all the players available there are going to be 2nd. talent in all likelihood.

Let's just stay to figuring how to make the best of what we have. That right there is going to be difficult enough.

No team is going to self-destruct themselves to give us a leg up and we stand a big chance of self-destructing ourselves if we get too cute on Draft Day trying to manipulate our draft too much in an attempt to do too much.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

 

[Hoofbite]

Would a 3rd CB provide a championship??

Both are impact players, of course Roy would fit with more of what we really need at the position. But you put either one of them with what we already have, and yes, they would go a long way towards providing that.

Neither position would immediately provide a title. Thats why I say sacrificing one just to fill the other is a bad move, especially with another RB needed.

Im not against trading for Bolden or Williams. Im against paying what the Commanders have offered.

 

[Smith22]

Maybe now the pipedreamers who think that Detroit is going to part with a RW for our #28 pick can wake up and smell the coffee.

These clubs are going to over-value their players and we will end up overpaying for anybody we decide we must have.

We can not possibly afford to give up 2 #1's again for a WR. We did that last time with Seattle and it killed our team for years.

Maybe now we can all realize the waste of time it is to continue to dream up these crazy draft-day trade scenarios and just concentrate on the reality of having to high 1st rd. picks and figuring how to make the best of what we have.

No team is going to self-destruct themselves to give us a leg up.

I see your point, but you also can't ignore the fact that Jerry has seemed to make it a point that he wants another WR, and it seems that the talent he wants isn't there at 22 or 28. So Jerry trading for a proven WR isn't a pipedream. The question is.... What will the price be and how much is Jerry willing to pay?

 

[TheCount]

Wow, amazing how they are systematically targeting all the WR's we would have been interested in.

At this point I'm convinced there will be no draft day trade for a vet WR, unless it's a WR out of left field. I had actually started to believe we would get Roy Williams too.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Neither position would immediately provide a title. Thats why I say sacrificing one just to fill the other is a bad move, especially with another RB needed.

Im not against trading for Bolden or Williams. Im against paying what the Commanders have offered.

Not saying I like what the Skins offered at all, it was overboard, but just saying we have to consider that some things are expensive for a reason and we should see the value of that expense. A vet WR or elite RB will do far more for the team than a 3rd CB. Now, if we are talking draft picks, things change of course, a drafted CB will make more of an impact than a WR or RB(cause of where we are in the draft) ever will.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Not trying to support Danny Bonaparte at all but he may be playing a smart game here.

Maybe he's making offers that he knows are going to be refused just to drive up the price the Eagles or Cowboys would have to pay to get a WR. The price for Roy Williams just doubled, making the chances of a division rival improving themselves go down considerably.

 

[CowboysNumeroUno]

Not trying to support Danny Bonaparte at all but he may be playing a smart game here.

Maybe he's making offers that he knows are going to be refused just to drive up the price the Eagles or Cowboys would have to pay to get a WR. The price for Roy Williams just doubled, making the chances of a division rival improving themselves go down considerably.

The only difference with Williams is he has power because he can walk after next year. And he can choose which team he will extend his contract with.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd be very upset if we offerred anything more than a first round pick for Roy Williams or Boldin.

If someone like the Skins wants to give away huge picks for a WR, let them. This morning their offer for Chad Johnson was revealed to be their first rounder and next year's 3rd...but if he caught 80 passes that would become a 2nd and if he caught 95 balls, it would be another first....that's insane!!!

I think it would likely be a first and a second for Chad...I don't think he's capable of catching 95 balls from Campbell...and he's not going to be happy when they are sailing over his head...Campbell is not Carson Palmer. I'm sorry, but not worth it, imo. He's a great receiver, but he's not going to put Washington over the top.

As the draft draws nearer, the picks become more valuable and the players offerred in trade usually have less value, so we had better not be offerring more selections for Boldin or Roy. I think we should stand where we are and draft players.

ON a side note, I believe the Bengals will end up trading Chad before the first round of the draft is over, and I believe he'll end up in our division with either Washington or Philly...probably Washington.

I was listening to Fox this morning and they had a sound bit from Lewis. Basically, he said that we all know that Chad Johnson is a man of his word. He has said he will not play, we are not trading him. We will go on with the season with out Johnson. Johnson will sit it out, and we will make due. We are not trading Chad Johnson.

Later, Glassor was saying that this is bigger then just Lewis and Johnson. He said that this is turning into a personal thing between owner Mike Brown and Johnson. Brown is the Son of Paul Brown who was none as a stubborn, tight fisted owner. This may be one of those times where Cincy digs in there heals and elects to just stand pat and deal with it. Eventually, this will work itself out but I'm begining to wonder if it will be this year or not. Tampa did this with KJ. They set him the whole seasons. I would not be surprised to see the same thing happen with Johnson.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The Commanders are ruining it for us IMO. Their crazy trade offers are only driving up the market.

Spot on.

All that this is doing, while we laugh at the Skins and all, is making it nearly impossible for us to trade for Roy Williams or Boldin or Chad. Because if the Bengals and the Cards are turning down these insane offers from the Skins then you can bet your last dollar that it's going to take an even more insane offer just to get them to the trade table with Dallas.

I really don't think, honestly, there is any shot that we come away with one of those guys on draft day because it's clear you're going to have to give up way to much to do so.

All the Skins have done, by getting turned down on these deals, is assure themselves that they've also priced Jerry right out of getting one of them as well.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

We are Americas Team, therefore, our pick will seem more valuable.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Not trying to support Danny Bonaparte at all but he may be playing a smart game here.

Maybe he's making offers that he knows are going to be refused just to drive up the price the Eagles or Cowboys would have to pay to get a WR. The price for Roy Williams just doubled, making the chances of a division rival improving themselves go down considerably.

That is starting to be my thinking as well. He's attempting to get a WR but he's doing it in a way so that if he gets turned down that he's assuring himself that Jerry has to pay a crap load to better the Boys at the WR position.

 

[firehawk350]

Spot on.

All that this is doing, while we laugh at the Skins and all, is making it nearly impossible for us to trade for Roy Williams or Boldin or Chad. Because if the Bengals and the Cards are turning down these insane offers from the Skins then you can bet your last dollar that it's going to take an even more insane offer just to get them to the trade table with Dallas.

I really don't think, honestly, there is any shot that we come away with one of those guys on draft day because it's clear you're going to have to give up way to much to do so.

All the Skins have done, by getting turned down on these deals, is assure themselves that they've also priced Jerry right out of getting one of them as well.

BUT BUT BUT, Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas... That has to count for something, right??? Right???

...

Bueller?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

BUT BUT BUT, Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas... That has to count for something, right??? Right???

...

Bueller?

LOL.

Maybe he does, but it won't matter now cause of Danny Boy.

 

[superpunk]

BUT BUT BUT, Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas... That has to count for something, right??? Right???

...

Bueller?

What does that have to do with the Lions being willing to trade him?

 

[The30YardSlant]

BUT BUT BUT, Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas... That has to count for something, right??? Right???

...

Bueller?

Poor, bitter Foreskins fan.

If you can't beat 'em, drive up the price of improvement so they don't beat you quite so badly.

 

[firehawk350]

What does that have to do with the Lions being willing to trade him?

The Cowboys want Roy Williams, and Roy Williams wants to play in Dallas, so many Zoners, after hearing about Philly's and Washington's purported interest used the argument, "but Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas" as a reason why, despite an inferior offer (supposed) he would end up a Cowboy anyways. This argument continues to state that Roy Williams would refuse to sign a multi-million dollar extension with the trading team and sit out because he likes Dallas better.

This was a joke on those posters who think that the Lions really care about where Roy Williams wants to go. In conclusion, the price has been set (1st and a pick in the first three rounds next year) and just because Roy Williams wants something, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

That is starting to be my thinking as well. He's attempting to get a WR but he's doing it in a way so that if he gets turned down that he's assuring himself that Jerry has to pay a crap load to better the Boys at the WR position.

But that really doesn't make sense, cause those teams might accept his offer. If he offered something he thought they weren't willing to accept, but they accepted it, he would be screwing himself.

I have the tendency to believe he is making the offers in his own interest for his own team, and has alot less to do with the Cowboys.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The Cowboys want Roy Williams, and Roy Williams wants to play in Dallas, so many Zoners, after hearing about Philly's and Washington's purported interest used the argument, "but Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas" as a reason why, despite an inferior offer (supposed) he would end up a Cowboy anyways. This argument continues to state that Roy Williams would refuse to sign a multi-million dollar extension with the trading team and sit out because he likes Dallas better.

This was a joke on those posters who think that the Lions really care about where Roy Williams wants to go. In conclusion, the price has been set (1st and a pick in the first three rounds next year) and just because Roy Williams wants something, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

It's gotta suck when NO ONE wants play for your team....

 

[superpunk]

The Cowboys want Roy Williams, and Roy Williams wants to play in Dallas, so many Zoners, after hearing about Philly's and Washington's purported interest used the argument, "but Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas" as a reason why, despite an inferior offer (supposed) he would end up a Cowboy anyways. This argument continues to state that Roy Williams would refuse to sign a multi-million dollar extension with the trading team and sit out because he likes Dallas better.

This was a joke on those posters who think that the Lions really care about where Roy Williams wants to go. In conclusion, the price has been set (1st and a pick in the first three rounds next year) and just because Roy Williams wants something, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

I expect there were few (if any) Cowboys fans that used that reasoning in a trade scenario. More than likely, they were using it as a reason why he might be apt to sign here once his contract is up next season.

You can feel free to show me where all this "trade Roy Williams to Dallas because he wants it" nonsense went on, but I have a feeling you won't, because it doesn't exist.