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[iceberg]

You'd make a great lawyer. The fact is that 1) posters suggested that Roy's preference for Dallas has an impact, and 2) Firehawk made fun of this idea, and 3) he was right to make fun of this idea.

he may, but he tends to ignore you when you push him as hard as he pushes others. not sure i'd want that in a lawyer.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

he may, but he tends to ignore you when you push him as hard as he pushes others. not sure i'd want that in a lawyer.

Sometimes ignoring arguments is the best way to diffuse them... but superpunk hasn't been ignoring mine.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Roy would most likely sign an extension with some else just not Detroit.

 

[iceberg]

Sometimes ignoring arguments is the best way to diffuse them... but superpunk hasn't been ignoring mine.

you've got to push him pretty hard before he'll do that. you can start calling him the beautiful poster. that's about when he quit talking to me.

 

[firehawk350]

Sorry, I'm back. I had some other stuff to do. It appears skinsmaniac has this about wrapped up though.

I'm not sure what Roy Williams will really do, but I imagine it would be hard for him to turn down $20M right now because he wants to play for dallas.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

you've got to push him pretty hard before he'll do that. you can start calling him the beautiful poster. that's about when he quit talking to me.

hahaha, any reason for calling him that?

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Sorry, I'm back. I had some other stuff to do. It appears skinsmaniac has this about wrapped up though.

I'm not sure what Roy Williams will really do, but I imagine it would be hard for him to turn down $20M right now because he wants to play for dallas.

I'm not sure that Detroit is even willing to trade him. I put the odds at 50/50.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, I'm back. I had some other stuff to do. It appears skinsmaniac has this about wrapped up though.

I'm not sure what Roy Williams will really do, but I imagine it would be hard for him to turn down $20M right now because he wants to play for dallas.

the real point is what if dallas also offered $20mil?

the crux of the deal is if he had a choice where would he go? if the $ was the same my guess is he'd want to play for his hometown team more or less and choose dallas. couple that with no state tax, the same deal nets us around 8% anyway. factor in a $1mil house here smokes a $1mil house in DC - more to our favor.

but if the skins hold the cards and say did trade for him this year, i'm sure they'd work out a deal and i doubt roy would refuse to try and "break free" for dallas. if that ever happened i would sadly have to hope his injury history wasn't a fluke and feel bad about that.

 

[firehawk350]

Everyone has their price. With Millen, you never really know...

 

[iceberg]

hahaha, any reason for calling him that?

cause he's beautiful man. he never does anything wrong and always there to tell you when you do. he's one of the beautiful posters/people that typifies perfection.

 

[firehawk350]

Okay, I think we are finally getting to the point here. In free agency, Dallas def does have the advantage for the reasons you stated. However, in a trade, they have no advantage and no team is dumb enough to think that Roy Williams wanting to play for Dallas will affect negotiations one way or another when it comes to an extension.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

the real point is what if dallas also offered $20mil?

the crux of the deal is if he had a choice where would he go? if the $ was the same my guess is he'd want to play for his hometown team more or less and choose dallas. couple that with no state tax, the same deal nets us around 8% anyway. factor in a $1mil house here smokes a $1mil house in DC - more to our favor.

but if the skins hold the cards and say did trade for him this year, i'm sure they'd work out a deal and i doubt roy would refuse to try and "break free" for dallas. if that ever happened i would sadly have to hope his injury history wasn't a fluke and feel bad about that.

I think the timing of it actually goes like this (this is a hypo - there's no guarantee washington would offer detroit more than dallas):
Detroit negotiates with Dallas and Washington for compensation. Washington offers more. Detroit agrees in principle with Washington and allows Roy to negotiate with Washington, but not Dallas. Roy negotiates with Washington and a deal is likely. If Roy doesn't like what Washington is offering, then Detroit says "tough" you sign with them or play here another year.

Detroit wouldn't let him negotiate with both Washington and Dallas out of the fear that Dallas would offer Roy more money, making Roy not want to be traded to Washington - bad for Detroit because the Skins offered better draft picks.

Teams will only let players negotiate with other teams if the trade compensation has been agreed upon. In this scenario Roy would have no idea what Dallas would be willing to pay him - that's why a deal with Washington is likely, because he has no way to play teams against each other.

 

[iceberg]

Okay, I think we are finally getting to the point here. In free agency, Dallas def does have the advantage for the reasons you stated. However, in a trade, they have no advantage and no team is dumb enough to think that Roy Williams wanting to play for Dallas will affect negotiations one way or another when it comes to an extension.

and we can all agree it's stupid to think otherwise i would hope. we also know all fans have their...'questionable intelligence' out there saying such things. so, since you came in here arguing with a stereotype of stupid posters everywhere, it would seem that you're just trolling for the stupid to argue with anyway?

watching dirt must get pretty boring. : )

 

[firehawk350]

I think the timing of it actually goes like this (this is a hypo - there's no guarantee washington would offer detroit more than dallas):
Detroit negotiates with Dallas and Washington for compensation. Washington offers more. Detroit agrees in principle with Washington and allows Roy to negotiate with Washington, but not Dallas. Roy negotiates with Washington and a deal is likely. If Roy doesn't like what Washington is offering, then Detroit says "tough" you sign with them or play here another year.

Detroit wouldn't let him negotiate with both Washington and Dallas out of the fear that Dallas would offer Roy more money, making Roy not want to be traded to Washington - bad for Detroit because the Skins offered better draft picks.

Teams will only let players negotiate with other teams if the trade compensation has been agreed upon. In this scenario Roy would have no idea what Dallas would be willing to pay him - that's why a deal with Washington is likely, because he has no way to play teams against each other.

Well if RW and the Skins couldnt come to an agreement, then I imagine they would let Dallas talk to him if they liked the compensation. Of course, you could always have Dallas slip word through their agent that they'll match whatever the skins offer...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wouldn't that slip through the agent be considered tampering? That would get them in trouble if it was proven they did such a thing.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Wouldn't that slip through the agent be considered tampering? That would get them in trouble if it was proven they did such a thing.

Yeah it would be tampering. But it's really difficult to enforce, and I'm sure it goes on.

 

[firehawk350]

and we can all agree it's stupid to think otherwise i would hope. we also know all fans have their...'questionable intelligence' out there saying such things. so, since you came in here arguing with a stereotype of stupid posters everywhere, it would seem that you're just trolling for the stupid to argue with anyway?

watching dirt must get pretty boring. : )

It started off with a joke on those posters, not a serious discourse. Some, who shall not be mentioned, decided they wanted to defend the stupid...

 

[superpunk]

You'd make a great lawyer. The fact is that 1) posters suggested that Roy's preference for Dallas has an impact, and 2) Firehawk made fun of this idea, and 3) he was right to make fun of this idea.

You were doing so well until numbers 2 and 3. Oh well, .333 isn't bad, in baseball.

I tend to ignore people who act like firehawk, or people like iceberg who get upset when you point out that they're a hypocrite, and then they follow you from thread to thread begging for attention that you no longer feel like giving them.

But some people knew that already.

 

[lspain1]

I'm late to this party and I can't stay long but.....I don't think Detroit wants to trade Roy Williams. Roy has been a good member of Detroit's team and there are a number of reasons why they will make every effort to keep him. Jerry says something to the effect that a player's value is not particularly high on draft day but somehow we are to believe that Detroit is going to suddenly decide it is in their best interest to make a trade at the end of round 1 on Saturday.

Declaring Millen to be stupid or declaring that Roy is "unaffordable" seems like a large case of wishful thinking to me. I believe Roy would love to play for the Dallas Cowboys (who wouldn't? . It does not change the fact that Detroit desn't want to trade him and really has little incentive to do so.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Okay, I think we are finally getting to the point here. In free agency, Dallas def does have the advantage for the reasons you stated. However, in a trade, they have no advantage and no team is dumb enough to think that Roy Williams wanting to play for Dallas will affect negotiations one way or another when it comes to an extension.

The Lions are THE TEAM that is dumb enough. Also, don't forget that Dallas also has the advantage in picks this year out of the three rumored "suitors". Two first round picks might sound good to a nimrod like Millen.