Cardinals Turn down Commanders trade offer for boldin.

[superpunk]

Chocolab already proved my point for me.

No he didn't.

If you think he did, you are illiterate.

Here's what he said. I'll bold the pertinent information to make it easier on you to comprehend.

The Lions don't care where Roy wants to spend his career, but the team trading for him does. No team is going to trade valuable high draft picks for a one-year rental that they can't sign to an extension.

Firehawk (FH): Here's a list of posts (displays 2-3 posts)...
SP: Well, I think what the person was saying here was in fact this, and not that...
FH: But that's not what was said
*after a full page of arguments about the intended meaning of the posts in question*
SP: Regardless, that is just TWO OR THREE POSTS not "many" as you stated before!

So, I don't feel like spending the time searching through over 2 million posts (can you imagine how many posts using the term "Roy Williams" will garner???) to find a dozen or so just to make you happy. Either way, even if I did have the patience for that, there are beyond to be plenty of posts that slip through the cracks because they used abbreviations or synonyms to my search terms.

If you can find 2-3 I'll be more than happy to admit you have a point, and that it's stupid to think the Lions would trade Roy for less simply because he wants to play in Dallas. Heck, I've already admitted that's stupid. All you need to do is show that your jab at "so many cowboyszone posters" has some sort of validity.

Now go. Quit making excuses and back your junk up, or bow out.

 

[firehawk350]

'literate' can also define someone's proficiency in a branch of knowledge. For instance, I can say that Commander fans are illiterate, but yet they can still read and write correctly. In this case I would be referring to their ability to understand football. For instance, trying to make the argument that Campbell is anywhere in the same class as Tony Romo demonstrates someones lack of football knowledge.

btw: Pot meets Kettle

1. able to read and write.
2. having or showing knowledge of literature, writing, etc.; literary; well-read.
3. characterized by skill, lucidity, polish, or the like: His writing is literate but cold and clinical.
4. having knowledge or skill in a specified field: literate in computer usage.
5. having an education; educated.
–noun 6. a person who can read and write.
7. a learned person.

I guess you could make that claim. Most of the time though, literate refers to the ability to read or write. Any other usage should be have some kind of reference to the skill. However, I think it was pretty clear the jab was meant to target my ability to read and write.

 

[firehawk350]

No he didn't.

If you think he did, you are illiterate.

Here's what he said. I'll bold the pertinent information to make it easier on you to comprehend.

If you can find 2-3 I'll be more than happy to admit you have a point, and that it's stupid to think the Lions would trade Roy for less simply because he wants to play in Dallas. Heck, I've already admitted that's stupid. All you need to do is show that your jab at "so many cowboyszone posters" has some sort of validity.

Now go. Quit making excuses and back your junk up, or bow out.

Were you made the master of the intertubes and I wasn't made aware??? Either way, my point was already made, the Lions don't care, Roy Williams wants money and he wants it now and every team knows this, so it won't affect their bid like chocolate lab insists it will. Roy Williams', in a trade sceranio, desire to play for a certain team doesn't mean a single thing and some fans think otherwise.

 

[superpunk]

Were you made the master of the intertubes and I wasn't made aware??? Either way, my point was already made, the Lions don't care, Roy Williams wants money and he wants it now and every team knows this, so it won't affect their bid like chocolate lab insists it will. Roy Williams', in a trade sceranio, desire to play for a certain team doesn't mean a single thing and some fans think otherwise.

I'm still waiting.

The Cowboys want Roy Williams, and Roy Williams wants to play in Dallas, so many Zoners, after hearing about Philly's and Washington's purported interest used the argument, "but Roy Williams WANTS to play in Dallas" as a reason why, despite an inferior offer (supposed) he would end up a Cowboy anyways.

This was a joke on those posters who think that the Lions really care about where Roy Williams wants to go.

 

[firehawk350]

If you are so Smart why are you a Commanders Fan?.

The easy answer is I was born in Northern Virginia. On top of that, I found Deion and Michael Irvin insufferable.

 

[firehawk350]

I'm still waiting.

Wow, you base your actions on what I do??? Well keep waiting, and in the meantime, make me a sammich!

 

[dallasfaniac]

I guess you could make that claim. Most of the time though, literate refers to the ability to read or write. Any other usage should be have some kind of reference to the skill. However, I think it was pretty clear the jab was meant to target my ability to read and write.

Most of the time does not mean all of the time and one could argue that on a football forum that requires the ability to read, the use of 'literate' or 'illiterate' would then refer to the person's ability to understand football knowledge. For instance, when I say Demarcus Ware sacked Jason Campbell, I do not have to explain that he did not fire him but tackled him behind the line of scrimmage while he was still in a passing situation. :

 

[superpunk]

You're right, I had no basis for my insult to Cowboyszone posters, and I apologize for acting like an imbecile.

In conclusion, I'm full of ****.

Glad we've reached an agreement.

 

[firehawk350]

Indeed, I agree with this, however, we are going off known relationships in your example. We know (or at least, assume those reading know) that Ware is a defender playing against a QB and not Campbell's boss, so therefore, it's not a hard assumption to make that he tackled (and by tackled, I meant football tackled and not the way you tackle a problem) Campbell behind the LOS and didn't fire him (as one is completely pausible and the other would require quite a bit of fairly significant stretches of logic).

That does not bear out nearly as well in this case but point taken. If, of course, HH31 wishes to clarify, that would be greatly appreciated. However, based on the lack of literary understanding shown thus far by HH31, I somehow doubt he meant literate in that way.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

ON a side note, I believe the Bengals will end up trading Chad before the first round of the draft is over, and I believe he'll end up in our division with either Washington or Philly...probably Washington.

Chad Johnson isn't going anywhere right now. If he's to be traded, it won't be until after June 1st where his cap hit is somewhat reasonable (cut in half, but still at around $4.5 million).

And I still don't see Cincy trading him. He may be a pain in the arse, but he's still likely to perform at the same level he's been performing. I guess I don't see a player being a pain in the arse as a big of a problem as others do as long as he's still producing. It's not worth making a bad financial decision over.

As far as the Commanders, I can't help but think of Snyder as being like a hardcore drug addict who is convulsing over the idea of having an actual draft...throwing up in the toilet bowl...telling Vinny Cerrato he needs his fix (getting rid of draft picks for veterans.)






YAKUZA

 

[dallasfaniac]

Indeed, I agree with this, however, we are going off known relationships in your example.

Or the simple fact that this is a football forum and they are football players.

 

[firehawk350]

Glad we've reached an agreement.

So you've resorted to libel in order to win an argument. You clever *******!

 

[superpunk]

So you've resorted to libel in order to win an argument. You clever *******!

My attempts to reason with you proved fruitless. I decided to just go with something you could understand.

 

[firehawk350]

Chad Johnson isn't going anywhere right now. If he's to be traded, it won't be until after June 1st where his cap hit is somewhat reasonable (cut in half, but still at around $4.5 million).

And I still don't see Cincy trading him. He may be a pain in the arse, but he's still likely to perform at the same level he's been performing. I guess I don't see a player being a pain in the arse as a big of a problem as others do as long as he's still producing. It's not worth making a bad financial decision over.

As far as the Commanders, I can't help but think of Snyder as being like a hardcore drug addict who is convulsing over the idea of having an actual draft...throwing up in the toilet bowl...telling Vinny Cerrato he needs his fix (getting rid of draft picks for veterans.)






YAKUZA

HEY!!!! You stop that right now! This thread is for trading barbs over the correct usage of literate, irony and other pedants of the english language.

On the serious note though, I agree. There's no way that'd take that kind of cap hit ($8M), lose their best receiver (Houshyomomma is only as good as he is because Chad Johnson demands double teams) and set themselves back a couple of years when Marvin Lewis is very likely in the hot seat. I actually don't like the whole idea of the trade, but I rather do like playing devil's advocate here in the Zone. I find it amusing.

Dan Snyder is an alcoholic living above a bar, there is just too much temptation to expect him to change.

 

[firehawk350]

My attempts to reason with you proved fruitless. I decided to just go with something you could understand.

So when in doubt, lie??? Or when the going gets tough, the tough lie?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

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[TellerMorrow34]

But that really doesn't make sense, cause those teams might accept his offer. If he offered something he thought they weren't willing to accept, but they accepted it, he would be screwing himself.

I have the tendency to believe he is making the offers in his own interest for his own team, and has alot less to do with the Cowboys.

I know that. What I'm saying is that he also knows that if it's turned down that it set the bar for the price. I have no doubt, at all, that he set the price up there out of interest in actually bringing them in.

But the side effect, and a nice one for him, is that if he's turned down, as he has been, it also forces Dallas to heavily up their offer if they want someone.

 

[superpunk]

So when in doubt, lie??? Or when the going gets tough, the tough lie?

I realized the futility of trying to get a child to admit when they're wrong, and just took care of it for you.

You still have the opportunity to man up and admit it yourself, or take the time to search this bounty of moronic cowboyszone posts out and link me up to them. Those are your only two options at this point. I don't waste time with children, and if you want to continue to act like one then I won't waste my time with you. Anything other than

"I was wrong, I was just shooting my little mouth off"

or

"I was right, here are the posts I was referring to"

Will not do.

So, if you opt for some sort of idiotic "Option C" in response to this post, and do anything other than A) Prove yourself, or B) Admit you're full of ****, you can expect no response from me. Instead, I'll give you a template of what my response to such an infantile course would have been, were I so inclined to waste my time typing it over and over again.

"Go **** yourself."

The next move is all yours.

 

[Verdict]

I'm not sure OPcho Cinco would be happy being traded to Washington. He wants to go to a winner who has a chance to be a Super Bowl contender. I don't think Washington qualifies as a SB contender at this point.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Chad isn't going anywhere cause Cincy, putting up this front of refusing to trade him, have no painted themselves into a corner. If they give in, at all, now then they know that the next guy in line knows all he has to do is keep it up and eventually they'll crack.

They are going to have to go the full distance now. Refuse to trade him and see if he actually sits out. They can't do anything else at this point without eventually allowing themselves to be opened up to other players doing the exact same thing.

now, I'm not saying others will for sure do this sort of thing, but you can't give yourself a precident (Spelling?) that you'll eventually cave when you initially take the strong stance.