Carson Will Hold Parcells' Feet To The Fire

[bbgun]

i understand all that - just seems funny to me they dominate on most of the field positions yet are upset the other positions are not equal.

When blacks outnumber whites on the field, it's called "ability." When whites outnumber blacks in the front office or coaching ranks, it's called "discrimination."

 

[tyke1doe]

if i show off my buttchecks to you, will you consider it a friendly thank you?

Ah, yes. The response of an adult, and one who can spell at that. I would like to see your buttchecks. I'm sure they probably bounce too. :laugh2:

because i understand something doesn't mean i agree.

Saying you don't agree is one thing. Using an incongruous analogy is another.

because this rule is in place doesn't make it right. i don't care about the surface level reasons around why something may exist but i find it odd a minority comprised a majority of the league and they still have rules in place to gain even more ground.

Well, it's what you think vs. what men who manage and play the game think. I'll take their knowledge over yours any day.

Second, the reason why you find it "odd" is the same reason why many people who think like you feel it's okay for blacks to be employees but may have a problem if - when they don't see themselves reflected in the ranks of management - they express themselves in such a way that they ensure they're considered for management positions.

I'll let you digest the difference.

i want the best person for the job regardless of color or any other sidebar you can bring up. i don't like anything that puts a barrier between people and favors one over another for "feelings" involved. you help one you hurt the other. period.

That presumes, of course, that all things are equal. And they're not. That's why you don't see. You live under the illusion that all things are equal and that black candidates are going to get their shot at these positions, even though the reality is that that's not always the case historically. And because this has been a problem for the NFL, the Rooney Rule was established.

Moreover, whenever a coach like Norv Turner is hired after repeated failures, it hurts the chances of other candidates, including minority candidates, who never get the chance.

if you have a question about my views, by all means, ask. if you just wanna smart off and get your jabs in, take it offline and i'll be glad to duke it out with you.

What do you mean by take it offline? Do you mean discuss in via email? Or are you challenging me to a fist-a-cuff?

 

[tyke1doe]

When blacks outnumber whites on the field, it's called "ability." When whites outnumber blacks in the front office or coaching ranks, it's called "discrimination."

Sorry, but that's the legacy your people left behind. Therefore, you have to deal with the consequences.

 

[5Stars]

Sorry, but that's the legacy your people left behind. Therefore, you have to deal with the consequences.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

When blacks outnumber whites on the field, it's called "ability." When whites outnumber blacks in the front office or coaching ranks, it's called "discrimination."

Tell me though, would YOU sign a white cornerback? We all know the best WRs are black. Yeah there is the token Wes Welker who I think will be the Mike Furrey 2007 in 2008, but I digress.

 

[5Stars]

Tell me though, would YOU sign a white cornerback? We all know the best WRs are black. Yeah there is the token Wes Welker who I think will be the Mike Furrey 2007 in 2008, but I digress.

Wes Welker is not a cornerback! :laugh2:

Please, just let us American's handle this, OK?

 

[Rack]

Sorry, but that's the legacy your people left behind. Therefore, you have to deal with the consequences.

 

[bbgun]

Sorry, but that's the legacy your people left behind. Therefore, you have to deal with the consequences.

I guess we all look alike to you, huh?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Wes Welker is not a cornerback! :laugh2:

Please, just let us American's handle this, OK?

You obviously cannot read. I wrote re cornerbacks then said all the best WR are black (then wrote about token Wes Welker).

 

[tyke1doe]

I guess we all look alike to you, huh?

As do we.

 

[bbgun]

Tell me though, would YOU sign a white cornerback?

Assuming he could play, then absolutely I would. And he'll have the satisfaction of knowing that he earned the job via merit, not Rooneyesque intimidation.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't know what the head scratching is for. Whites in America perpetuated the system of racial discrimination. That's not to say that all whites today discriminate against blacks or that other nations don't discriminate. But within context, remedies such as the Rooney Rule are design to address those historic injustices. So because whites (in the NFL) are now implementing remedies to reverse the hidden or overt nature of that system shouldn't be puzzling.

 

[tyke1doe]

Assuming he could play, then absolutely I would. And he'll have the satisfaction of knowing that he earned the job via merit, not Rooneyesque intimidation.

Sorry, I didn't know that coaching was subject to a casting call like players attending training camps to prove their worthy.

 

[5Stars]

I don't know what the head scratching is for. Whites in America perpetuated the system of racial discrimination. That's not to say that all whites today discriminate against blacks or that other nations don't discriminate. But within context, remedies such as the Rooney Rule are design to address those historic injustices. So because whites (in the NFL) are now implementing remedies to reverse the hidden or overt nature of that system shouldn't be puzzling.

I figured you would not know.

It's the "your people" statement! What kind of nonsense is that?

See, this is kind of statement that perpetuates rascism...period! I thought all of us were created equal?

This whole discussion was about the advantages for minorities, then you chime in with this "your people" stuff?



Carry on...

 

[5Stars]

You obviously cannot read. I wrote re cornerbacks then said all the best WR are black (then wrote about token Wes Welker).

Listen! We American's have enough problems without you Canadians mucking things up...

:laugh2:

 

[bbgun]

Sorry, I didn't know that coaching was subject to a casting call like players attending training camps to prove their worthy.

Coaching is a casting call of sorts, and it goes without saying that there are different types of "ability." The NFL is a mercenary league. If they think you can help them win, it wouldn't matter if you were green or pink. It's not the league's fault that the vast majority of retired black players prefer the bright lights of ESPN or the network booth to the tedious, low-paying, unglamorous life of coaching. Too many hours and not enough bling. In short, they're segregating themselves with their lousy work ethic. It's not about race; it's about behavior. Maybe some day that'll finally sink in. Until then, continue blaming "The Man."

 

[Rack]

I don't know what the head scratching is for. Whites in America perpetuated the system of racial discrimination. That's not to say that all whites today discriminate against blacks or that other nations don't discriminate. But within context, remedies such as the Rooney Rule are design to address those historic injustices. So because whites (in the NFL) are now implementing remedies to reverse the hidden or overt nature of that system shouldn't be puzzling.

I've never done any such thing.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's not about race; it's about behavior. Maybe some day that'll finally sink in. Until then, continue blaming "The Man."

Tony Dungy didn't get a job for 15 freaking years as one of the best assistant coaches in the league. He must not have behaved right.

Anyone believe that?

 

[5Stars]

Tony Dungy didn't get a job for 15 freaking years as one of the best assistant coaches in the league. He must not have behaved right.

Anyone believe that?

In Tony Dungy's case (or any successful minority), no I don't believe that. However, there is this thing called "entitlement" that alot of minorities use rather than just going about your own business and doing what you can do, and what the opportunities give you without using color as and excuse for "how come, not me"?

In my world, if you are the best, then be the best because that is what life is all about and that is how you suceed...however, behavior does play a very important part of what your life is all about.

Remember, abersonc, every person on the face of the Earth is the sum total of every decision they make in life...everyone.

 

[AbeBeta]

In Tony Dungy's case (or any successful minority), no I don't believe that. However, there is this thing called "entitlement" that alot of minorities use rather than just going about your own business and doing what you can do, and what the opportunities give you without using color as and excuse for "how come, not me"?

In my world, if you are the best, then be the best because that is what life is all about and that is how you suceed...however, behavior does play a very important part of what your life is all about.

Remember, abersonc, every person on the face of the Earth is the sum total of every decision they make in life...everyone.

Who exactly is feeling entitled here? The only entitlement I see is the feeling minority coaches should be entitled to have the same opportunities as White coaches which they clearly did not have even 10 years ago. And frankly, these guys are entitled to being treated equally.

I concerning to see people blame the victims of discrimination for not "behaving" right. You really need to think about the implications of what you are saying.