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BigDFan5 said:We are really close I can see it right over this small ridge!
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burmafrd
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they are close but untill that 24th vote comes in as YES nothing will happen.
I think something will be decided in the next hour one way or the other.
Some wild talk going around that they may CUT the roster to 45 players.
SOme kind of announcement expected by 9 EST.
I think something will be decided in the next hour one way or the other.
Some wild talk going around that they may CUT the roster to 45 players.
SOme kind of announcement expected by 9 EST.
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At the start of the process...
By the time the meetings are finally over...
In the mean time all we are getting is...
By the time the meetings are finally over...
In the mean time all we are getting is...
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Wake me up with something ACTUALLY happens
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Rip Van Winkle waiting for the final deal.
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Watching ESPN news for what Jerry says- the talk about dropping the roster is really unsupported rumor- BUT in a way that might make sense from a dollar standpoint. Johnston- a NFL spokesman- said they might have an anouncement in an hour- that was about 10 minutes ago.
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6 minutes till nothingness.........
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GRAPEVINE, Texas -- NFL owners appear close to a new labor deal as the hours tick down to the start of free agency.
ESPNews reported that Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones briefly left the owners' meeting shortly before the 8 p.m. deadline the owners set to decide on an extension to the collective bargaining agreement and told the waiting throng of reporters that owners were "getting close, getting close," but that it would take about "30 minutes" before anything was known.
NFL owners meetings continued Wednesday afternoon, with owners taking a lunch break at around 1:30 p.m. ET after 4½ hours of meetings on revenue sharing.
Two proposals have drawn the most attention, according to ESPN.com's John Clayton.
There is a Pittsburgh model being pushed by Dan and Art Rooney of the Steelers. That plan would have each team put 25 percent of local revenues into a pool that would be distributed to teams in the lower end of the revenue stream.
There is a New England Patriots-New York Jets model that expands an already existing local revenue sharing plan. Currently, $40 million of local revenue is being shared. The Patriot-Jet model expands that number significantly.
At this stage, though, no system has the 24 votes needed to pass.
Jones' late optimism was in stark contrast to his pessimistic outlook earlier in the day.
"I don't think we're progressing. I think it will go to the last minute. I think we've probably had a step back today," Jones told ESPN's Ed Werder.
That contradicts at least one other owner, who told Werder that progress has been made and he expects that ultimately, the owners will adopt a new revenue-sharing plan and accept the NFL Players Association proposal to extend the current CBA another six years.
Earlier Wednesday, owners returned to an airport-area hotel for a second day of meetings. The NFL has until 8 p.m. ET to accept the NFL Players Association proposal for a six-year labor extension, or face a final year of the current agreement with a salary cap, followed by an uncapped year.
Clayton reports that the NFL's waiver deadline to get below the salary cap has been moved back two hours, from 9 p.m. ET Wednesday to 11 p.m. ET.
"We're not even close to a consensus yet," said Jim Irsay, owner of the Indianapolis Colts.
That assessment came a day after commissioner Paul Tagliabue tried to build consensus with a speech to the owners, reminding them of the labor strife that culminated in strikes in 1982 and 1987.
But the good feeling that engendered seemed to wane as the owners discussed expanded revenue sharing. Irsay suggested they needed a consensus builder like the late Wellington Mara of the New York Giants, the last of the NFL's founding generation, who died last October.
"We need the ghost of St. Wellington to appear with some of the forefathers," he said.
The owners were operating under an 8 p.m. ET deadline to get a deal done before the start of free agency. Free agency, twice delayed, is scheduled to begin Thursday if owners turn down the union's offer. If they approve it, free agency will start Friday.
The Tuesday meeting ended at 10:15 p.m. ET, completing more than eight hours of talks, Clayton reported. No vote was taken, and most of the evening was spent discussing at least three different revenue sharing plans, plans that have been discussed for years.
Raiders owner Al Davis joked that a lot of people were in the room "giving money away." While the discussion was good, no revenue sharing deal was close to settled. "Whenever you discuss revenue sharing, it's like Groundhog Day," Colts owner Jim Irsay said.
Steelers owner Dan Rooney was asked if there was any progress as the meeting ended. "Nothing worth talking about," he said.
As Tuesday's meeting broke up, most of the participants acknowledged there was a long way to go.
"I love my country and I love my league," said Oakland's Davis, the NFL's most consistent maverick for decades but now, according to those in the meeting, a strong Tagliabue supporter. "People who have been through this in the past want something good to come of it. What's good is another question."
That will be the major discussion when the owners begin real debate on the important issue of expanded revenue sharing, which has divided teams into "haves" and "have-nots." Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, has insisted throughout more than a year of negotiations that division must be resolved before agreement can be reached on a contract extension.
There are three plans on the table and each has different supporters and different opponents. To get it done, 24 of the 32 teams will have to support one of them.
It is anything but a sure thing that the owners will agree by the deadline to the union's proposal. There was doubt among many owners that any of the plans could get the three-quarters support to pass, according to those in the meetings.
If there is no agreement, it doesn't mean there will be a work stoppage -- at least not for the next two years.
But it would keep the salary cap at $94.5 million rather than as much as $10 million more. It would put a number of veterans on the street and it would also limit the amount available for other free agents. And it would lead to an uncapped year in 2007, which would allow some teams to spend almost at will and keep others from spending at all.
The revenue debate involves low-income teams such as Buffalo, Cincinnati and Indianapolis who say high-revenue teams -- Dallas, Washington and Philadelphia, for instance -- should contribute proportionately to the player pool because they can earn far more in non-football income such as advertising and local radio rights.
Those high-revenue teams might contribute only 10 percent of their outside money compared with 50 percent or more for low-revenue teams.
It's difficult to anticipate how the vote may go, especially with the negotiations that have had daily twists and turns. But Jones, one of the leaders of the high-revenue teams, indicated even before the meeting began that his viewpoint might lose.
"We want to play football," Jones said. "We have an obligation to everyone, particularly our fans.
"My gut is we're going to come up with something, but it's still up in the air. It's going to be long and drawn out and tough."
Later, Jones said: "We've had a good dialogue. Very productive."
Beyond that, some of the higher-revenue teams that entered the meeting undecided have owners who have traditionally been "league" people who regularly sacrifice for the good of the league.
They include the Denver Broncos, owned by Pat Bowlen, and the New York Giants, run by John Mara, son of the late Wellington Mara, who more than 40 years ago was one of three major-market owners who agreed to share television money. The senior Mara was elected to the Hall of Fame in part because of that decision.
Another fence-sitter is the New York Jets. Traditionally, the Jets have followed the Giants' lead, although that happened more often when Leon Hess, a close friend of Wellington Mara's, owned the team. The current Jets owner is Woody Johnson.
In any event, Tuesday's meeting was reportedly amicable.
"We haven't punched anyone yet," Rooney said.
That could change Wednesday.
ESPNews reported that Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones briefly left the owners' meeting shortly before the 8 p.m. deadline the owners set to decide on an extension to the collective bargaining agreement and told the waiting throng of reporters that owners were "getting close, getting close," but that it would take about "30 minutes" before anything was known.
NFL owners meetings continued Wednesday afternoon, with owners taking a lunch break at around 1:30 p.m. ET after 4½ hours of meetings on revenue sharing.
Two proposals have drawn the most attention, according to ESPN.com's John Clayton.
There is a Pittsburgh model being pushed by Dan and Art Rooney of the Steelers. That plan would have each team put 25 percent of local revenues into a pool that would be distributed to teams in the lower end of the revenue stream.
There is a New England Patriots-New York Jets model that expands an already existing local revenue sharing plan. Currently, $40 million of local revenue is being shared. The Patriot-Jet model expands that number significantly.
At this stage, though, no system has the 24 votes needed to pass.
Jones' late optimism was in stark contrast to his pessimistic outlook earlier in the day.
"I don't think we're progressing. I think it will go to the last minute. I think we've probably had a step back today," Jones told ESPN's Ed Werder.
That contradicts at least one other owner, who told Werder that progress has been made and he expects that ultimately, the owners will adopt a new revenue-sharing plan and accept the NFL Players Association proposal to extend the current CBA another six years.
Earlier Wednesday, owners returned to an airport-area hotel for a second day of meetings. The NFL has until 8 p.m. ET to accept the NFL Players Association proposal for a six-year labor extension, or face a final year of the current agreement with a salary cap, followed by an uncapped year.
Clayton reports that the NFL's waiver deadline to get below the salary cap has been moved back two hours, from 9 p.m. ET Wednesday to 11 p.m. ET.
"We're not even close to a consensus yet," said Jim Irsay, owner of the Indianapolis Colts.
That assessment came a day after commissioner Paul Tagliabue tried to build consensus with a speech to the owners, reminding them of the labor strife that culminated in strikes in 1982 and 1987.
But the good feeling that engendered seemed to wane as the owners discussed expanded revenue sharing. Irsay suggested they needed a consensus builder like the late Wellington Mara of the New York Giants, the last of the NFL's founding generation, who died last October.
"We need the ghost of St. Wellington to appear with some of the forefathers," he said.
The owners were operating under an 8 p.m. ET deadline to get a deal done before the start of free agency. Free agency, twice delayed, is scheduled to begin Thursday if owners turn down the union's offer. If they approve it, free agency will start Friday.
The Tuesday meeting ended at 10:15 p.m. ET, completing more than eight hours of talks, Clayton reported. No vote was taken, and most of the evening was spent discussing at least three different revenue sharing plans, plans that have been discussed for years.
Raiders owner Al Davis joked that a lot of people were in the room "giving money away." While the discussion was good, no revenue sharing deal was close to settled. "Whenever you discuss revenue sharing, it's like Groundhog Day," Colts owner Jim Irsay said.
Steelers owner Dan Rooney was asked if there was any progress as the meeting ended. "Nothing worth talking about," he said.
As Tuesday's meeting broke up, most of the participants acknowledged there was a long way to go.
"I love my country and I love my league," said Oakland's Davis, the NFL's most consistent maverick for decades but now, according to those in the meeting, a strong Tagliabue supporter. "People who have been through this in the past want something good to come of it. What's good is another question."
That will be the major discussion when the owners begin real debate on the important issue of expanded revenue sharing, which has divided teams into "haves" and "have-nots." Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, has insisted throughout more than a year of negotiations that division must be resolved before agreement can be reached on a contract extension.
There are three plans on the table and each has different supporters and different opponents. To get it done, 24 of the 32 teams will have to support one of them.
It is anything but a sure thing that the owners will agree by the deadline to the union's proposal. There was doubt among many owners that any of the plans could get the three-quarters support to pass, according to those in the meetings.
If there is no agreement, it doesn't mean there will be a work stoppage -- at least not for the next two years.
But it would keep the salary cap at $94.5 million rather than as much as $10 million more. It would put a number of veterans on the street and it would also limit the amount available for other free agents. And it would lead to an uncapped year in 2007, which would allow some teams to spend almost at will and keep others from spending at all.
The revenue debate involves low-income teams such as Buffalo, Cincinnati and Indianapolis who say high-revenue teams -- Dallas, Washington and Philadelphia, for instance -- should contribute proportionately to the player pool because they can earn far more in non-football income such as advertising and local radio rights.
Those high-revenue teams might contribute only 10 percent of their outside money compared with 50 percent or more for low-revenue teams.
It's difficult to anticipate how the vote may go, especially with the negotiations that have had daily twists and turns. But Jones, one of the leaders of the high-revenue teams, indicated even before the meeting began that his viewpoint might lose.
"We want to play football," Jones said. "We have an obligation to everyone, particularly our fans.
"My gut is we're going to come up with something, but it's still up in the air. It's going to be long and drawn out and tough."
Later, Jones said: "We've had a good dialogue. Very productive."
Beyond that, some of the higher-revenue teams that entered the meeting undecided have owners who have traditionally been "league" people who regularly sacrifice for the good of the league.
They include the Denver Broncos, owned by Pat Bowlen, and the New York Giants, run by John Mara, son of the late Wellington Mara, who more than 40 years ago was one of three major-market owners who agreed to share television money. The senior Mara was elected to the Hall of Fame in part because of that decision.
Another fence-sitter is the New York Jets. Traditionally, the Jets have followed the Giants' lead, although that happened more often when Leon Hess, a close friend of Wellington Mara's, owned the team. The current Jets owner is Woody Johnson.
In any event, Tuesday's meeting was reportedly amicable.
"We haven't punched anyone yet," Rooney said.
That could change Wednesday.
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I think BigD wins it.
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those are great. i am literally in tears right now.